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Author Topic: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009  (Read 35137 times)

Offline markdansie

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2009, 10:34:56 PM »
Sterling already has appointed himself manager of the project. However he doesnt seem to be getting any commission for plans. He may have turned over a new leaf.
I am sure the kit version will be for sale as soon as some one verify's it.
I dont see any fishing line on this one, however I am at this stage not convinced until clanzer or someone else duplicates it. I will not condem it at this stage either
Mark

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
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Offline LightRider

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2009, 12:21:47 AM »
why when the rotor and stator are tilted (at a very small angle)...
 ... there deceleration ?  ???

any suggestion...

Thanks,
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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2009, 01:01:49 AM »
This morning I quickly made a model of this spinning device and it doesn't work.  Of course there was some talk of getting a NDA from the inventor guy which I didn't. So, unless I don't have some top secret information, it just spins one turn and hits the wall and stops.  Is it worth even posting a video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tigYmzReW84

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« Last Edit: July 06, 2009, 02:03:26 AM by Dusty »

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
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Offline lumen

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2009, 02:54:56 AM »
Dusty, Now if you just had the magnet spinning under the table, it would no doubt work the same!

Good replication!


Offline magnetman12003

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2009, 06:46:41 AM »
The working device needs to have a outdoor morning daylight video made showing it working while sitting on a clear glass table top .    No bright spots or shadows.

Both top and undersides should be shown in the video.

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2009, 09:42:08 AM »
Hello,

Just a simple observation.
Take a close look at the stator. The two magnets are at different height ....
Perhaps ???

Obelix

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2009, 02:47:00 PM »
Hi All,

I have in my workshop a powerfull motorized device I can magnetically couple to a device such as this. I can get it or devices like it to spin from quite a disrtance away.  A camera would not see it.

If a video was made outside outside-- Up close and far away while operating.  The thoughts of any magnetic coupling would vanish.

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2009, 04:41:54 PM »
Hi All,

I have in my workshop a powerfull motorized device I can magnetically couple to a device such as this. I can get it or devices like it to spin from quite a disrtance away.  A camera would not see it.

If a video was made outside outside-- Up close and far away while operating.  The thoughts of any magnetic coupling would vanish.

Now YOU're the skeptic. Congratulations!

(There are a bunch of ways to do the same outside, up close and far away, on video. I do believe I could even make one that you could hold in your hand, and if I didn't let you saw it in half, you'd never know it was fake.)

Offline Asymatrix

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2009, 04:48:08 PM »
It's just a simple circular gate with two stators. Why anyone would think it's not a scam is fairly amazing.

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Offline mscoffman

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2009, 05:32:56 PM »

Looks like one may need to have a hand handy to make this one go.  :-[
You gotta have that touch. Anytime, you see a human hand in a free
energy experiments...beware, there may be a hand magnet.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Offline magnetman12003

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2009, 07:45:43 PM »
Now YOU're the skeptic. Congratulations!

(There are a bunch of ways to do the same outside, up close and far away, on video. I do believe I could even make one that you could hold in your hand, and if I didn't let you saw it in half, you'd never know it was fake.)

I know that in this forum many ideas are posted and since we see no real working device yet one of two things might be happening:  The actual real working devices are quickly confiscated by MIB or fakes are displayed by scam artists hoping for quick fame and fortune.
  Its rare when an honest person steps up to the plate and offers his "Working Device" to the general public to replicate. My hope is the inventor is such a person. I to can be skeptical and both vigilant and hopefull at the same time.

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Offline maw2432

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2009, 08:03:30 PM »
CLaNZeRS Replication of the FM Concepts PMM Part1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mjyu6YmJkM&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.org.uk%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D378&feature=player_embedded

I noticed FM's rotor appears to be a metal material, perhaps stainless steel.  CLaNZeRS Replication is using clear plastic.. I wonder if the rotor material has an effect? 

Bill

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2009, 08:31:08 PM »
I thought that too, but I read somewhere that FM said that the rotor material made no difference .

** Edit to add **

yup, I found it here:
http://www.overunity.org.uk/showthread.php?s=d3056a15f1ed654f70e1fad5c24eaeba&t=378

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The inventor is using Stainless Steel 5mm thick disk. But states that any non magnetic material will produce the same result.

This is more a method of getting past the sticky spot with the arrangement of the array, than the materials and sizes.

But take your point on eddy currents mate

Cheers

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2009, 10:00:08 PM »
Judging by how carefully the stator is placed on the table, I'd think there is some sort of spinning magnetic coupler mounted underneath the table. The induced field would then cause the rotor to spin. I'll withhold my final judgement until CLaNZeR completes his replication.

If it works then great but on top of spinning the device must also produce measurable torque to handle an external load and fail to accelerate demagnetization due to spinning repulsive action. The energy density of rare-earth magnets is inferior to all modern battery technologies and if magnets also have discharging/demagnetising characteristics (similar to batteries) then permanent magnets used in this manner should be discredited altogether.

Offline magnetman12003

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2009, 11:24:13 PM »
Judging by how carefully the stator is placed on the table, I'd think there is some sort of spinning magnetic coupler mounted underneath the table. The induced field would then cause the rotor to spin. I'll withhold my final judgement until CLaNZeR completes his replication.

   Anyone in the market for a spinning magnetic coupler?  I have a powerful one to sell.  magnetman12003


If it works then great but on top of spinning the device must also produce measurable torque to handle an external load and fail to accelerate demagnetization due to spinning repulsive action. The energy density of rare-earth magnets is inferior to all modern battery technologies and if magnets also have discharging/demagnetising characteristics (similar to batteries) then permanent magnets used in this manner should be discredited altogether.

 

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