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Author Topic: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009  (Read 35136 times)

Offline CLaNZeR

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FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« on: July 04, 2009, 10:14:31 PM »
Rather than repeating it and details of replication, check out thread

http://www.overunity.org.uk/showthread.php?t=378

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Offline Goat

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2009, 11:58:41 PM »
@ CLaNZeR

Nice video, very compelling :)

I noticed though that the magnets are specially aligned, is that covered in the inventors plans?

If you notice in the photos of the top and bottom you can see how the magnets are arranged.

Regards,
Paul

Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2009, 02:38:23 AM »
I enhanced the Gamma a bit on one of the pics that was kind of dark.

you can see the hot glue that was used to orient the magnets.

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2009, 02:38:23 AM »
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Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2009, 03:44:57 AM »
I really think he should of made the Stator and assembly from clear Acrylic.

if it requires Slick/oiled Teflon then maybe a Teflon sleeve with Teflon oil would suffice so that everyone could see into the device and solve some doubts of others.

it sure would be nice to be able to tell the Physics department they were wrong about such a device. but I am not counting the chicks just yet until hatched at least.

but it is a nice show so far.

it looks like he used one size of magnet and pushed them into holes to orient their length on the sides and then hot glued them into place.

Jerry ;)

Offline lumen

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2009, 04:25:37 AM »
I think we need better video. At this point it could be anything.
It sure looks like it works much better on exact locations on that table, or even best right over the transformer?

Hmmmm...... , I'll wait on this one for the better video.


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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2009, 04:25:37 AM »
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Offline Mr_Video

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2009, 04:40:47 AM »
did you notice how carefully he put the base (stator) on the table top ?

as if he had to position it in juuust the right spot .
maybe something under the table ?

looks easy to replicate though, I hope CLaNZeR can make it work .

Offline 0c

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2009, 07:24:08 AM »
Slanted magnets are interesting. I wonder what it would be like if the magnets were mounted through a Mobius ring?

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Offline Omega_0

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2009, 10:01:36 AM »
A close up.
Seems its not necessary to place magnets very very accurately. Some magnets have different gaps and heights don't vary uniformly. Even the slanting is just approx.

So it would be easy to try without further info. The stator can be S-S, N-N or S-N.
One can even interchange stator and rotor and place the magnets on a base and use stator as rotor, should be easier.

Offline markdansie

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2009, 11:45:05 AM »
I onece view a similar device (not same construction) using the magnets at different heights. It ran well but slowed down. However there are some significant variations on this. I will sit on the fence until its been replicated
Mark

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Offline Goat

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2009, 01:20:57 PM »
@ All

I didn't realize this yesterday when I posted the above pictures from Youtube but this is being covered at Peswiki with more pictures and details.

See http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Magnet_Motor_by_FM_Concepts

If you scroll down the page to the Instructions section you will see the following explanations of the reason for the slanted magnet arrangement.

From FM, July 4, 2009
(slightly edited)

To better understand, try first to actuate the rotor with only one magnet in repulsion by hand. After this, try to displace the actuator magnet away from rotor to surpass the magnetic gate and return to face to face in ramp. You see the attraction of the other side of rotor’s magnets when you displace away the actuator. In the middle of magnets, the force field is closest to neutral. After try to make measurements in the required displacement to surpass the magnetic gate. A lot of patience is required to make the correct evolution in the deflected angle, step by step, until achieve the correct progressive deflection.

The key is: convert the repulsion in magnetic gate into attraction (great angle), decrease the attraction when the magnetic field is diminished (small angle), and restart the repulsion again in the ramp.


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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2009, 02:04:02 PM »
@ Goat
I think this is the key ...getting those angles right. I must admit this is a unique approach.
Thanks Clanzer...await your replication results
Mark

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
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Offline billmehess

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2009, 03:44:33 PM »
It's interesting how these "new" motors seem to follow the same pattern. They show up on youtube working unbelievably well. No sound or description of how they work. They tend to be very small and move at great speeds under just about any condition. There's always some degree of
secrecy about them. The "inventor" always want to remain unknown.
Anyone see a pattern here?

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2009, 04:38:48 PM »
Hi,

Here is an acceleration analysis of the youtube video (low quality)
(see graph below)

Important note about the analysis:
- this analysis is far from accurate.
- many variables are able to deteriorate the graph results
- low quality of the video
- especially low frames per second
- this makes the acceleration curve less precise and more difficult to interpret.
- finally, dots that form horizontal line on the acceleration curve,
  are due to low frames per second of the video and the motion sensors used for this analysis.

   
Remark
- despite the circular motion of the engine made by hand several times during the video,
- the axis of rotation seems to remain always close to the same place...
  ...with one exception when the engine is tipped, during this time the engine is decelerating.

- caution before any conclusion would be wise...
  ...Mylow story and method is also possible here.



LightRider


graph was originally posted at:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Magnet_Motor_by_FM_Concepts

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: FM Concepts posts working video 4/7/2009
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2009, 07:55:06 PM »
Wait and see, wait and see.

In principle, this device should not work as implied: by the interactions of the visible magnets alone.
But you all knew that I would say that.

I think the weird angled magnets got pushed too far through their holes and shifted before the hot glue set up.

Please don't anybody go buy a bunch of magnets, or especially plans from or through Sterling, until some more work has been done by outsiders like CLaNZeR, who probably have the right magnets and other materials lying around. Unless of course you just get off on that sort of thing...I'm not trying to stop anybody from having fun...
 ;D

And don't forget about the "RB Effect" as a possible source of drive (but I can think of many many others, that don't violate CofM.)

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