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Offline 24hosting

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Overunity Pulsating Motors
« on: December 06, 2009, 09:22:44 PM »
 Doug Konzen - Overunity pulsating motors.Breaking the laws of physic. I love this one.It's got all the sceptics and physicists scratching there heads. They need to come to terms with this and accept the facts. Free Energy is a reality and is here to stay. The smart one will be the guy whom markets it without a patent. Once you try to patent it,well you don't seem to live much longer.
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Overunity Pulsating Motors
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Re: Overunity Pulsating Motors
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2009, 05:10:41 AM »
one thing that he doesn't mention is the peculiarities of the battery...  As I'm sure you may find this comment resistive to the idea, a battery's voltage is a poor indicator of how alive it really is.

More so, we know a battery to be dead by it's voltage characteristics, but not so to be alive.  The chemistry involved may produce a false positive.  By this I mean, when using batteries, the batteries in question may appear to be functioning to their specifications, however, the internal structure has changed.

The best indication in is this - if we were to run his devices ...

Using two identical batteries, one which has been discharged for 4 hours  with a few series lamps or the like, and allowed to rest for 12 hours ( so that the temperature of both batteries were the same ).

The first thing you would notice is that the voltage will probably be the same in both batteries, even after the discharge.  This is the first indication of a false positive on behalf of his claims regarding the voltage based theory.

Second, in order to get two identical batteries AND have one with a lower voltage, a deep discharge is in order.

Third, after running his setup, the battery being charged will show voltage gains, but after resting, the voltage will have fallen from what it was, back to a resting state.  Though it may see voltage gains which are not in proportion to the voltage losses on the other side, the total energy capacity of the battery will still be lower than that of the battery used to charge it.

The process involved makes the dissipation of energy non-obvious - the device in question would run for a LONG time with the types of batteries he's using - no doubt about that.  His flip flopping of the source and the drain ( so to speak ) make the device he's using a 'battery equalizer'.

He gives no extensive documentation - it's just another short video.

The idea here would be, as Gadgetmall is trying to do, use capacitors instead - their specifications and internal characteristics are more in the 'control' region of the science.  As well, they're not given to the sort of peculiarities as batteries are.

So long as a battery has proportionate available chemicals, it will display it's rated voltage characteristics, regardless of how much current capacity it has.  It's almost as if to say that he's got two capacitors, both 12 volt rated, but one is 1 farad and the other is 1/2 farad after the test.

One way to test this hypothesis is to have a control battery, test it's discharge characteristics over time measuring the amount of energy output.  And then perform the exact same test on the two other batteries - then compare the results.

I think the best thing to do is use a smaller battery! ..this makes changes more substantial..

Of course, they'll always claim it to be valid only with certain batteries, etc. Again, this is the device hiding the result of what is going on due to the peculiarities of the battery's chemistry.

I'm surprised that those 'pesky oil barons' aren't using failures like this to further their cause.

Use capacitors!

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Re: Overunity Pulsating Motors
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2009, 09:49:19 AM »
Failures like this?. So you think this is a failure, and dose not do what it claims?. Is that what you are saying. I am just looking for the truth myself. I think it dose what he says it does. But I have not done any tests myself. I also think that if it dose not do what he claims it won't be long before one dose make a working overunity motor. The concept of running or generating free energy just is easy for me to grasp. Simple designs of rotating a simple motor with magnets to generate electricity is simple to do. But take a look at this one please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5b19QGWEwk

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Offline exnihiloest

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Re: Overunity Pulsating Motors
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2009, 12:21:53 PM »
...
Free Energy is a reality
...

Sure. Actually there is no doubt it is a real psychological phenomenon inside the neurons of mystics. Unfortunately it does not yet power my house. Probably not enough neurons...
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Re: Overunity Pulsating Motors
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2009, 10:42:19 PM »
Failures like this?. So you think this is a failure, and dose not do what it claims?. Is that what you are saying. I am just looking for the truth myself. I think it dose what he says it does. But I have not done any tests myself. I also think that if it dose not do what he claims it won't be long before one dose make a working overunity motor. The concept of running or generating free energy just is easy for me to grasp. Simple designs of rotating a simple motor with magnets to generate electricity is simple to do. But take a look at this one please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5b19QGWEwk

The energy he's referring to is not free. In as much as I would like to believe him; it's simply not amounting to the claims he set forth.

He claims that whatever energy goes into the coil, comes back out in equal proportion.  If this were true, then we wouldn't see the voltage spike on collapse.  We would see an ampere spike instead.  The reason we see voltage, is because the collapse speed is faster than the induction speed when turned on - this pressure - as some refer to it - is what's causing the voltage, yet it is still within or less than the input energy.

Inductance of the coil causes the current to quickly rise and the gradually level off to a max current - during this time, there is energy flowing into, and consequently out of the coil.  There is waste..

He would be better off attempting a Newman machine.  Which attempts to compensate for the losses associated with this time differential.

He claims certain things about the setup, which are in part true - but then he disregards the peculiarities of batteries ( where he's taking from and storing to ), going on to claim free energy.

Like I said before, his machine is a flywheel based battery equalizer - the voltage is masking the operations thereof, and the chemistry of the batteries are being altered.  His machine will run for a long time - but so do good flywheels.  If he's harnessing collapse, then the voltage associated is making the working circuits appear to have no voltage drops.

Voltage is the easy part.  Current consumption is the difficult issue here.

If he were to continuously flip flop, and he would likely be at it for a long time, then,..

What I'm saying is that there would come a point when the batteries have their voltages, but the ability for them to deliver current as they once were when fully charged will be a fraction of what it was ( when new ).

He's claiming that they're charged, and like a true fan-boy, immediately chalks it up to free energy.  This is an easy mistake to make when working with such types of batteries.

These circuits typically only use about 100ma or less, the voltage is taken care of..  In the case of such extremely large batteries, something only consuming that much energy:

On a 12V battery, lets say a sealed lead acid battery, 12V 7 amp hours..  so, as it's standing, it could deliver 7 amps in one hour - then it needs recharging, I suppose:

The circuit will run for 70 hours. ..but it goes well beyond this, the peculiarities of the battery allow it to continue to deliver current far beyond it's 10% voltage drop death.

The ratings are derivatives of tests, using Peukert's law: the battery will last 139.6 hours..
If the circuit draws less, the test would have to be done over weeks, if not months.

There are two simply alternatives to determine what's going one here: use smaller batteries, or use capacitors.

The idea of using such large batteries makes determining the actual expenditure of energy, the delta of change, so minute, that it's hard to see what's really going on.

He also claims in one of his ( via a quote, that is ) that his circuit uses .63 wats of energy and lights 2 2watt bulbs ..and "that is all you need to know"...

Well, sir, i have a light bulb here that's consuming 37watts and yet it appears to be putting out 60watts of light!..or so the manufacturer tells me.  Yet I know this to be a matter of voltage...and the fact that they compared the brightness to one unlike apparatus which was consuming more energy in the first place (i.e, it was emitting wavelengths of light which I could not see. :) )

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Re: Overunity Pulsating Motors
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2009, 10:45:03 PM »
Failures like this?. So you think this is a failure, and dose not do what it claims?. Is that what you are saying. I am just looking for the truth myself. I think it dose what he says it does. But I have not done any tests myself. I also think that if it dose not do what he claims it won't be long before one dose make a working overunity motor. The concept of running or generating free energy just is easy for me to grasp. Simple designs of rotating a simple motor with magnets to generate electricity is simple to do. But take a look at this one please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5b19QGWEwk
  I've heard that Troy Reed had given up on his designs.

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Re: Overunity Pulsating Motors
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2009, 11:44:08 PM »
  I've heard that Troy Reed had given up on his designs.

I just love a pandora's box motor setup - wires hanging off of everything - mysteries abound.

I think he gave up, ..because people fail to realize that permanent magnets aren't permanent.

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Re: Overunity Pulsating Motors
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