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Author Topic: Anyone got a 3ph motor to do a quick One-wire bulb circuit by Brian Prater?  (Read 11616 times)

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Hi All;

I came across this stupid simple One-wire bulb circuit by Brian Prater that was on page 59 of the RE-OU-v6_1.pdf document on RV setups and was wondering...

Has anyone ever tried this? 

Can anyone try it if they have a 3 phase motor and a 60W bulb?


Here's the details :

3.6 One-wire bulb - Brian Prater (Cavetronics Labs R&D)

The one wire bulb works on the concept of magnetic reconnection.
Magnetic reconnection is the process whereby magnetic field lines from different magnetic domains are spliced
to one another, changing the overall topology of a magnetic field. It is a violation of an approximate
conservation law in plasma physics, and can concentrate mechanical or magnetic energy in both space and time.
Solar flares, the largest explosions in the solar system, are caused by reconnection of large systems of magnetic
flux on the Sun, releasing in minutes energy that is stored in the magnetic field over a period of weeks to years.

Magnetic reconnection in Earth's magnetosphere is responsible for the aurora, and it is important to the science
of controlled nuclear fusion because it is one mechanism preventing magnetic confinement of the fusion fuel.
In an electrically conductive fluid or plasma, magnetic field lines are grouped into 'domains' - bundles of field
lines that connect from a particular place to another particular place, and that are topologically distinct from
other field lines nearby. This topology is approximately preserved even when the magnetic field itself is strongly
distorted by the presence of variable currents or motion of magnetic sources, because effects that might
otherwise change the magnetic topology instead induce eddy currents in the plasma; the eddy currents have the
effect of canceling out the topological change.
See http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node84.html for an explanation on magnetic energy.

The diagram to below gives an overview of concept and
wiring.

The system uses 64 W from the line input, running the motor
and light, the light being 58 W. The motor running at 1725
RPM without a light uses 58 W, where the light uses the 58 W
that the motor has past off to the light bulb, matching the
current. So we get 116W out version 64W in, as such there is
about 52 W free.

The input is about 118 VAC single phase. At that voltage the
light will use about 58 W (same as the motor). Now when
looking at the voltage coming off the motor without a light as a
load, it reads 92 V no load. Now when the motor output is
loaded, it rises to 109 V and the light is lit up. So a rise of
about 17 V.on the output of the motor.

Specific:
63.67 W-in - 42.45 W-out = 21.22 x 2 = 42.45
42.45 - 63.67 = -21.22 (+- 42.45 bandwidth)
106.12 W-out (63.67+42.45) - 42.45 = 63.67 W-used
= 106.12 total W-out / 63.675 total W-in = 1.667:1 gain

This motor is started with a smaller motor, as there are currently no run or start caps on the system.

The remarkable fact is that the light once lit, stays lit after you switch open one of its input lines, as to be lit by
"one wire", costing just 5.8W for the 58W of energy used (not to account the other 58W running the motor). So
the light burns on 58 watts one wire, and in fact uses the same amount of energy, switched on or off… "one wire
or both wires" cost the same energy. (the light resistance is around 174-280 Ohms while lit). Node-anti-node,
wherever you are at it you get it with one wire.

You can run some DC caps (e.g. 8900μF 250VDC) off where the light is hooked up, through a FWBR. You can
then get 89 V at 0.5 A for free while running the light and motor.
Total input = 64 W; total output = 158+ W; 158/64= 2.46875 gain

Looks pretty simple, wish I had a 3 phase motor to try it on.

Regards,
Paul

« Last Edit: July 01, 2009, 03:59:22 PM by hartiberlin »

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Offline Goat

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@ All

The suspense is killing me, I see 30+ views on the diagram which is "stupid simple" but I just don't have a 3 phase motor.

Hello, anyone out there a 3 phase motor and a 60W bulb?

Regards,
Paul
« Last Edit: July 01, 2009, 03:59:49 PM by hartiberlin »

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@ All

If we can get a 3ph motor to run and light a 60W bulb and get 2.46875 gain wouldn't that be a good thing?

Regards,
Paul
« Last Edit: July 01, 2009, 04:00:10 PM by hartiberlin »

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Offline Goat

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@ All

Did anyone notice that the light bulb can be light (pronounced lit in english) with only 1 wire?

If breaking the circuit at the bottom end of the circuit (see above circuit) continues to light the bulb then it is truly a "One-wire bulb", how then is the light bulb being light (lit) if the circuit isn't complete?

Please replicate this if you have the means and let us know.

Regards,
Paul

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Well after 50+ views on the schematic either nobody has a spare 3 phase motor and a 60 Watt bulb to do the test or not enough people are interested enough to give us feedback.

I'm going to sleep on it overnight and buy a 3 phase motor and a 60 Watt bulb tomorrow if I don't hear from a brave soul willing to try it.

Bye for now.

Paul

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The remarkable fact is that the light once lit, stays lit after you switch open one of its input lines, as to be lit by
"one wire", costing just 5.8W for the 58W of energy used (not to account the other 58W running the motor). So
the light burns on 58 watts one wire, and in fact uses the same amount of energy, switched on or off… "one wire
or both wires" cost the same energy. (the light resistance is around 174-280 Ohms while lit). Node-anti-node,
wherever you are at it you get it with one wire.


Hi Paul,
please show another circuit diagram, how it is supposed to be running
on just 1 wire input ?

How should it draw then 5.8 Watts ?

Do you mean 1 wire input from the AC 118 Volts 60 Hz line
or do you mean something different ?

Normally 1 wire systems like Avramenko plugs etc, only work at
radio frequency ranges , where the capacitance coupling plays a huge role...
and not at 60 Hz.

Please explain.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Hi Stefan

From the description he gives there would be a switch in the circuit (see image below) to disconnect the input feed to the light bulb making it run on only one wire.

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Paul

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Hi Paul,
if he uses the switch as you have shown,
it would only be possible
to light up the lamp, if there was RF frequencies
on the line to the lamp.
Maybe some RF bursts from a sparking commutator ?

But as it is an AC 3 phase motor there are
probably no sparking commutators involved ??

Or are there any sparks somewhere ?

In a pure 60 Hz environment the bulb
can not light up with just 1 wire.

Regards, Stefan.

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Hi Stefan

I'm really not sure how it works!  His explanation is that it is due to magnetic reconnection. 

"The one wire bulb works on the concept of magnetic reconnection.

Magnetic reconnection is the process whereby magnetic field lines from different magnetic domains are spliced
to one another, changing the overall topology of a magnetic field. It is a violation of an approximate
conservation law in plasma physics, and can concentrate mechanical or magnetic energy in both space and time."


I read somewhere that RE (Radiant Energy) has an RF component to it so you may be right about the RF burst. Also as you mentioned it's a 3 phase motor so I also doubt that it's being done through sparking.

I was hoping that someone who has a 3 phase motor could try it out and look into it further as I don't have the equipment to test it right now.  Today is Canada day here and most places are closed so I can't even call around to find a used surplus 3 phase motor to try it out on.  Oh well, tomorrow is another day :)

Regards,
Paul

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Hmm,
maybe you are wrong with the way the bulb is wired into the circuit ?
Is there anywhere a video can be seen, that will show it ?

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No video just the document which can be seen here http://www.cavetronics.com/Archives/One_wire_bulb.doc

Brian Prater was a member here a few years ago as "cavetronics" but he didn't discuss this circuit from what I've seen when doing a search through the forum.

« Last Edit: July 01, 2009, 08:11:21 PM by hartiberlin »

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No video just the document which can be seen here http://www.cavetronics.com/Archives/One_wire_bulb.doc

Brian Prater was a member here a few years ago as "cavetronics" but he didn't discuss this circuit from what I've seen when doing a search through the forum.

Weird. When I click that link above, I get a "404" error from the cavetronics server. But on this page below there's a link to the document, that looks exactly like the link above...only that link works for me. Hmm.
http://www.cavetronics.com/works.html
« Last Edit: July 01, 2009, 08:12:21 PM by hartiberlin »

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Hee hee...I just browsed another of Brian's articles. Here's a quote:

(begin quote)

    *  139 coils spaced at 2.58992805755395 degrees between coils
    * 120 (5.8 watt) magnets spaced at 3 degrees between magnets
Ratio of degree spacing (per coils & magnets):
1.1583333333333363900462962963044
Total of the system overall (degree spacing):
150.00416666666706251099537037137
Total degrees configuration gained for 139 coils and 120 magnets verses standardized architect:
29.9958333333329374890046296287 

(end quote)

So if you can't replicate his system and get free energy out, you can always blame your measuring tools...
(I wonder where he got those 5.8 watt magnets. Mine all seem to be 6 watts...What???)

(excuse me while I ROFLMAO)

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Weird. When I click that link above, I get a "404" error from the cavetronics server. But on this page below there's a link to the document, that looks exactly like the link above...only that link works for me. Hmm.
http://www.cavetronics.com/works.html

There was a dot too much at the end.
I corrected it.

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Hi All

Well I finally found a 3 phase motor dirt cheap...LOL...It's a 3 phase Hemco motor model RB0014FBA.

With your help I would like to test this wiring cct for a 1 wire AC/DC output soon  ;)

All I need to know which wires from the AC single phase goes to which terminal.

Right now the motor coil leads are wired for 208/230V marked T1 through to T9 and are grouped together by wire nuts in the following order:

L1 - T1 & T7
L2 - T2 & T8
L3 - T3 & T9

T4, T5 & T6 are all tied together.

This corresponds to a 3 phase motor cct diagram I found at http://homemetalshopclub.org/news/may05/may05.html in the Checking Out a Junk 3-Phase Motor by Dick Kostelnicek - HMSC Member section of the web page.

The questions I have are:

1. Which polarized wire coming from the AC source goes to which Terminal (Or does that matter)?

2. Which terminal connection does the second wire from the AC source connect to?

3. Which terminal connection is used for the third wire from the motor going to the 1 wire light cct?

4. Which terminal connection does the third wire that feeds the 1 wire light cct connect to initially to test the bulb, is it the polarized wire or the other (Or does that matter)?

Any help in the above would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Paul
« Last Edit: July 31, 2009, 06:41:37 AM by Goat »

 

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