This mostly theoretical discussion I post here as it might help to understand general phenomena present in OU .
Theory is just someone explanation and another someone acceptation - that is all.
If some of that explanations uphold the criticism.
Then that is more likely to be something that is given to our children as leading idea of what is going on.
The problem is that time passes on and some of the known explanations are outdated or revoked.
It is strange that all of this rumor started from very much innocent discussion with Arunas T-1000
http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg477150/#msg477150I have got under the critics and scrutiny of the gentleman who is worth my attention and I express full respect to him despite his opposing and rebelling approach to the discussion.
I assume he got really upset with me so let's see....
That is in turn
gentleman to gentleman man talk!!Till one of them start to lose Continence (forbearance, tolerance,)
sitting on his horse and roll onto his belly, get out of the way, preferably out of the stall.
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So I'm being accused of:
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Let's call the Gentleman that is expressing himself with the name
:MetaAnd this is what he wants from me to answer:
Meta :Have you ever studied (E.T. Whittaker, "On an expression of the electromagnetic field due to electrons by means of two scalar potential functions," Proc. Lond. Math. Soc. , Series 2, Vol. 1,1904, p. 367-372.
By E. T. Whittaker. [Received 11 November, 1903, -- Read 12th November, 1903]
Object of Paper The object of the present paper is to show that when any number of electrons are moving in any manner, the functions which define the resulting electrodynamics field, namely, the three components of dielectric displacement in the aether and the three components of the magnetic force at every point of the field, can be expressed in terms of the derivates of two scalar potential functions.
He expressed his concern over:
concern over “ fundamental equations of electrodynamics may be written in Lorentz’s form “
Than he made conclusion from that concern
e.g:
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It might be asked whether vectors f and g exist which satisfy the above vector equations and which are perfectly symmetrical-- the answer to this is in the negative;
lets first start from “word”
Aether-displacementquote:
Aether has mass, physically occupies three dimensional space and is physically displaced by particles of matter. Particles of matter exist in and displace the aether. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter anchored to matter. Matter moves thorugh and displaces the aether.
http://www.overunity.com/13594/aether-displacement/25/wap2/Science offers now instead of “word”-
Aether the “word”
- space and time displacement in quantum mechanics.
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0706/0706.0190.pdfInteresting here is that at the time of T. Whittaker. : the quantum mechanics field was only introduced.
"Everyone" was in deep shit of classical mechanics than.
Physics if there is the problem says:It works like this :
that part must be explained by quantum mechanics . it is just more....... fitting. or only way it fits. So forget about classical mechanics that does not apply.
Status of physics January 1900:In January 1900 the atomic hypothesis was widely but not universally accepted.
Atoms were considered point particles, and it wasn't clear how atoms of different elements differed.
The electron had just been discovered (1897) and it wasn't clear where (or even whether) electrons were located within atoms.
One important outstanding problem concerned the colors emitted by atoms in a discharge tube (familiar today as the light from a fluorescent tube or from a neon sign).
No one could understand why different gas atoms glowed in different colors.
Another outstanding problem concerned the amount of heat required to change the temperature of a diatomic gas such as oxygen: the measured amounts were well below the value predicted by theory.
Because quantum mechanics is important when applied to atomic phenomena, you might guess that investigations into questions like these would give rise to the discovery of quantum mechanics.
Instead it came from a study of heat radiation.
http://www.oberlin.edu/physics/dstyer/StrangeQM/history.htmlfrom Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._T._WhittakerWhittaker's pair of papers in 1903 and 1904 indicated that any potential can be analysed by a Fourier-like series of waves, such as a planet's gravitational field point-charge. The superpositions of inward and outward wave pairs produce the "static" fields (or scalar potential).
These were harmonically-related.
]By this conception, the structure of electric potential is created from two opposite, though balanced, parts. Whittaker suggested that gravity possessed a wavelike "undulatory" character.
I have no problem with this paper.
In the paper clearly is stated in words:
“suggestion “ “generalization” “deduction “NO STATEMENTS derived from generalization in conclusive new approach to be written as model.
It was his proposition.
Physics is based on models. Models are just comfortable form of explanation - from lack of better
explanation into theperceptual reality reality of that given time .
There is no model here that was created and survived based on this paper to the present time.
Some of his predictions suggestions uphold (e.g. traversal nature of the gravitational wave)
Is he a father of it … let it be who cares.
By forming his papers this way he avoided direct confrontation, leaving room to eventual correction and additions,.
And the best of all, he avoided denial.
But what is the point?
Most of his continence and contents of this paper is not critical to the modern science.
Novelty created milestone ...so what?
This paper only matters when it contradict. Taking your rebellious nature into account,
does not make this paper a tool to kill a fly .
Is that clear now?
My questions to you Mr Meta: -What is that you tried to point by mentioning that scientific paper?
-Is there anything that your interpretation find to be for use of OU community?
Interesting is that ancient theories are being taken into account as tool to fight new form of continuation of the same idea.
Some of it might be right approach as it in turn gets us to more study.
Will that take us somewhere?
-definitely yes.
It Takes us to the future of humanity it always does.( self destruction or self profitability )
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2.Meta: Have you ever seen the mathematics of Jerry Iluiano and the integration of atomic constants with ancient numbers and Giza Pyramid numbers?
I did not but I look at it just because you suggested me to.
1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_SparkMan you want to talk about religion go to church and talk.
There are plenty of listeners out there Prist most likely is going to oppose for you to make some buck on it.This frickin numbers have been found to be USED for different groups of charlatans and/or manipulators for their frickin personal agenda.
I give you example of frickin mathematics of frickin application of Dr Leahy
http://dgleahy.com/p18.htmlI have nothing against any religion
just do not drag me there .2.
http://www.goldennumber.net/phi-pi-great-pyramid-egypt/3.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/barron.burrow/download6.htmthis last one is interesting : [quote
But to return to Iuliano, after learning of the unique number 82944 on Leahy’s website in 1999, he was led -- due to certain regularities he had noticed in his researches on Fermat's last theorem -- to make a number of important discoveries with respect to this number, including two formulae for the inverse square root of the fine structure constant (i.e. the amplitude of an electron to absorb or emit a photon). And in due course, he further communicated to Professor Leahy “...additional relations he [had] discovered to exist between 82944 [(122) x 2)2] and the remaining three of the fundamental physical forces -- respectively, the strong, weak, and gravitational forces; so that the four forces are now able to be seen to be functions of 82944”.
it leads me to http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/21st_century_science/lectures/lec12.html Who cares who was the first or first found analogy?
The last link is leading explanation.
As if this was not enough, not only does Iuliano’s work prove that 82944 is the common coefficient of the fundamental force constants,
but additional extraordinary research by him went on to show that this number relates directly to a linking of three basic archetypal forms,
namely, world religions, megalithic earth structures, and, of course, physics (although,
I repeat, his core discoveries originally concerned the modular forms relating to the solution nodes of Fermat's Last Theorem).
http://dgleahy.com/p22.htmlAs far as
God Particle right below you see what science says of it:
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/03/god-particle/achenbach-textPhysics underwent one revolution after another. Einstein’s special theory of relativity (1905) beg at the general theory of relativity
(1915), and suddenly even such reliable concepts as absolute space and absolute time had been discarded in favor of a mind-boggling space-time fabric in which two events can never be said to be simultaneous.
Matter bends space; space directs how matter moves. Light is both a particle and a wave.
Energy and mass are inter- changeable.
Reality is probabilistic and nondeterministic: Einstein didn’t believe that God plays dice with the universe, but that became the scientific orthodoxy.
By the early 1930s Ernest Lawrence had invented the first circular particle accelerator, or “cyclotron.” It fit in his hand.
http://www.livescience.com/47737-stephen-hawking-higgs-boson-universe-doomsday.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Particle:_If_the_Universe_Is_the_Answer,_What_Is_the_Question%3Fhttp://www.greatdreams.com/gem1.htmFinding such mysteries throughout the The Code/Gematria system leads one to suspect that it is not just an arbitrary system, but rather that it was fashioned by a very high intelligence in the far distant past.
So what Mr Meta?What that has to do with OU community?
Do not give me the story. Please give me application of controversy in our field,or please tell me what is that you pointing at .
Dr Roy my friend was expressing himself and he has the rights to his opinion.
I said nothing about pyramids.
You just not reading properly as I suggested you to do.
This is America not frickin Russia.( murder of Boris Nemtsov) We have rights to express our thoughts in civilized way..
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Meta :Have you ever studied the finding of Petrie, pertaining the measurements of the Giza Pyramid?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flinders_Petriehttp://petriecat.museums.ucl.ac.uk/Very interestingWhat it have to do with OU: please point it out?
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Meta:
Have you ever studied the world grid aligning the ancient mounds and sacred structures and locations on earth, with the location of the stars, the work of Bruce Cathie and Michael Morton?
http://www.greatdreams.com/gem12.htm I went there already look up of the text.
What it have to do with OU: please point it out?
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Meta: If you have no answer or you again, divert your answer to making me read innocuous shit without you directly answering, then I suggest you bone up on your conclusions about the pyramid, and the knowledge that's in it because I'm well versed in that ancient science.
that have not been my conclusions but Dr Roy conclusions. It is hard to believe that you can not read English being British.
Do it again, link is at the very top of ,my article.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Have BALLS MAN show up here and talk like man.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!What it have to do with OU: please point it out?
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Meta: If you cannot understand what Bearden is talking about then I know you are far off the mark and I'm wasting my knowledge on you which is evidence by one look at your circuits. You would do well to listen more.
http://cheniere.org/sales/buy-starwarsnow.htminteresting if you want to pay for it.
It is only money that makes an individual to sale himself to.
http://www.cheniere.org/DONATE is the first word in Tom's Bearden world.
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Did you ever see me asking for any money?
Did you ever see me having commercial on my you tube?And frickin Tom Bearden former high rank military who has his lifestyle given for good is frickin asking for money?.............
Fu.k him.I can work without his glimpse at knowledge not the bit less successful.This is my attitude.
And this is my friend in science
Dr. Roy opinion:Time is not equivalent to energy, in any way.
The RATE of anything is, by definition related to time.
Time is related to the RATE of any value – if you determine the rate of creating unsuccessful theories, is 'time' the same thing as 'theories'?
The Watt is a unit for the RATE of energy - in joules per second.
The rate of energy times time gives you the total energy, but this is due to the use of energy rate, rather some intrinsic aspect of time.
1 Joule/foot = 3.28 Newtons. The Newton is the energy transferred on applying a force of one pound-force (lbf) through a displacement of one foot.
Does that mean that length alone is a form of energy also? Obviously, it is not.
Time is an intrinsic aspect of space-time. It is NOT a constant/absolute quantity, but a relative value subject to its warping. Time and space are relative, energy is not.
Mass-Energy equivalence is just that – the equivalence of mass and energy, not time.
Energy can be used to displace a mass through a given distance over a given time, but this does not imply a Time-Energy equivalence just as it does not imply a Distance-Energy equivalence.
The fact that “energy cannot exist without time” does not prove its equivalence.
Energy cannot exist without space too – so how much energy is found in an inch?
About the same as a millennia – nothing!
As an aside,
E=mC^2 is the mass-energy equivalence for a mass AT REST. A mass in relative motion is described with an additional Lorentz Transform factor that Glen has misinterpreted, in the past, as a demonstration of the dubious idea that different units of energy are not directly convertible (of course, they are).
Thomas E. Bearden is a charlatan:
“Some time in or before 2001, Bearden began to identify himself as "Tom Bearden, Ph.D.", and claims to have written a Ph.D. thesis,
he has never made this thesis public or provided affiliation or details.
The Skeptical Inquirer, among others, revealed that Bearden obtained his Ph.D. for "life experience and for life accomplishment" from Trinity College and University,
which the magazine describes as "a British institution with no building, campus, faculty, or president, and run from a post office box in Sioux Falls, South Dakota".
This institution is not accredited by any recognized accreditation association and is generally regarded as a diploma mill.
It has since changed its name to Bronte International University and its exact location is uncertain.”
You can call him “Doctor” just as legitimately as you can call him by the pseudo-honorific “Exalted Master of All of Space-Time”.
They are empty meaningless self-appointed titles. Please, don’t call this charlatan with delusions of grandeur ‘Doctor’. It cheapens the title.
“Bearden founded and directed the Alpha Foundation's Institute for Advanced Study (AIAS) to further propagate his theories.
This group has published papers in established physics journals and in books published by leading publishing houses, but one analysis lamented these publications because the texts were "full of misconceptions and misunderstandings concerning the theory of the electromagnetic field" and also states that ‘existence of non-transverse waves in vacuum does not imply that electromagnetism is not a U (1) gauge theory.’“
“Bearden supports his various claims with a wide range of crank theories, including the proposal that all electrical devices, from batteries to electromechanical generators, in reality operate on vacuum energy. These theories offer no concrete testable predictions, none have been published in independent, peer-reviewed physics literature, and Bearden himself has little formal training in physics.”
He is not a credentialed ‘Renegade’, a man of science – he is a fraud, and a fake with a self-proclaimed set of credentials.
All of the guys that you cited were seconds away from an insane asylum.
They were not ‘visionaries’ they were self deluded fools.
Mr. Bearden's theories are “a tale told by an idiot – full of sound and fury, signifying nothing”.
Eugene Mallove had legitimate academic diplomas, but none of them were in the field that he promoted. He had a BS and a MS degree in Aeronautical and Astronautical Engineering and a ScD. in Environmental Health Sciences! None of these apply to theoretical Physics, nor Chemistry, and the scientific method is not based upon a passionate belief in an unproven set of theories, but the dispassionate unbiased, un-opinionated pursuit of experimental findings. Mallove was not a scientist as much as he was a Priest at the altar of “Alternative Energies”. He did not teach any science subject at MIT, but “Science Journalism” there (his biases being what they were, I doubt he was that good at teaching a subject that he failed to practice himself).
“Correlation is not causation” – just because a Cold Fusion promoter was killed by senseless violence, does not prove that the two were in any way related.
There are two varieties of these ‘Renegades’ – most are charlatans with delusions of grandeur and paranoia, a few are aging, long retired academics, with little remaining, but the unquenchable thirst for professional honors, long after their analytical thought processes have deserted them.
They are to be pitied, not humored.
Unfortunately, in the realm of theoretical Physics, the breakthroughs are made by young men, not retired fellows ruminating over obtuse post retirement pet theories that often have little in common with their previous useful work.
And this is America where you have respect to the person for his involvement in your perceptual reality of your discoveries , despite the fact that he is opposing to it.
For me it is good that you opposing me Mr. Meta . I would not have incentive to learn more in that particular direction. So I express my respect to you as well.========================================================================================================
Meta: If you do not acknowledge me giving you information or criticizing the info I give with so flippant an attitude as you have shown, you may very well be intellectually dishonest that I don't want to give you anything, for I know something is very wrong with your approach and you may be using all that I present but only secretly, seeing you are so chummy with well funded clandestine organizations under nondisclosure, and I have no need of that either.
Either way, you need further education about harmonics, world grids, mayan bi symmetry, tzolkine,
I ching, esoterics, scalar, tesla howitzers, unified field, longitudinal energy, radiant energy or overunity, no matter how much equipment you have nor how many people you seminar with.
I do not really know what should I answer to this.
I by myself.
I'm not interested with Free Energy.
I'm interested deeply with mechanism that is behind devices of Free Energy.
Overunity (OU) does not exist. However term is no longer used as OU but as OU describing energy transfer that to the naked eye looks like OU.
In reality it is unknown to that very eye, at that very moment what this energy come from.
I Wesley use "OU" word to describe in general form of expression subjects related to that Eye effect of energy consumption manifestation when there is no battery not power supply connected to the device.
Free Energy exists. It is energy that is free of tax. such as solar energy, water flow energy and so on.
Device of Tariel Kapanadze was legitimate and works to the naked eye without battery or any other source of energy .
In reality laws of thermodynamics specify very much that even that device must work of the energy that is consuming.
So for me it is important to find what this energy comes from .
Lithuania Experiment with Arunas is legitimate event.
However mechanism of energy extraction is based on different phenomena that Tariel Kapanadze device.
Will that assumption change?
Possibly yes.
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Meta: Tell me this. What is the actual shape of the 4 sided Cheops Pyramid at Giza?
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=27990.0 if you want to be happy I give you this:
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Meta: Tell me this. Why is the sides of the Cheops Pyramid at Giza at 51 degrees, 51 minutes and 14.3 seconds?
response:
Capstone Theories
The capstone is thought to have been intact about 100 B.C. since no mention of its absence was recorded by the historian Diodorus Siculus.
The capstone of the pyramid is thought to have always been absent.
The capstone is thought to have been an exact replica of the large pyramid on a scale of 1 to sqrt(Pi)/100.
The ratio of any corresponding pyramid dimension over the capstone dimension, when multiplied by the square root of Piequals 100.
The estimated height of the capstone is about 103.03+ pyramid inches and about 6-1/2 cubits on a side.
http://www.crystalinks.com/gpstats.html
again what that has to do with OU?
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Meta: Why can the distance from earth to sun be calculated or the diameter of the earth be calculated from the mathematics of the Cheops Pyramid?
If you want to know number of conclusion than read this:
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Meta: Or do you know how many areas on the earths surface act just like the Devils Triangle off of Florida's coast and why there is a specific number of these areas?
have no idea, and have no idea why.
I'm not the smartest person in the earth
I play with physics for life.Wesley