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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13091817 times)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22275 on: February 20, 2016, 11:29:20 PM »
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The most interesting question here is, why does the device shut off at all when the inverter is being disconnected? The output is 50 Hz 5000 Watts. Why does Kapanadze not back-loop that output directly to the input (the white cable plugged in to the inverter), but instead he creates a back-loop from the output (lamps) to a small transformer then through a rectifier (both in a black box) and that DC then back to the battery (connected to the input of the inverter)?

This is done to show that its overunity as part of the show,sucker people in,other devices are internally looped.I would disagree that the 50hz is used as a reference,its internally generated as the 220 v ac output.The reason for believing this is,if the 220 v came from the inverter,as soon as the inverter was disconnected the  lights would go out,they don't,they stay on for a few seconds,you need an oscillate to generate 220vac 50 hz.It is also possible
that he uses a parallel resonant using a filter choke and a big value capacitor as a 50hz oscillator of sorts,think simple with Tariel.Hes very low tech but very clever in use of things.Keep in mind all LC resonant
circuits ring,creating a decaying oscillation due to losses .You simply need to supply pulses at the right time to create a continuous   oscillation.It may not have an oscillator in the conventional sense,an overunity device can be thought as an amplifier ,small input,large output.
An LC osc is a resonant circuit connected to an amplifier so its possible
that he uses the device its self to generate the 50 Hz.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22276 on: February 21, 2016, 12:15:25 AM »
Perhaps we should see the device as a grid-tie inverter, Kapanadze's blue inverter represents the grid, the device represents the grid-tie inverter that converts the energy coming from the environment (instead of a solar panel or a battery) and ties it to the grid.

Each sinusoidal phase of the grid (blue inverter) gives the device a small push, then the device pushes back (slightly phase-shifted) but with a higher current than the initial push was. Hence disconnecting the inverter (representing the grid) stops pushing the device, so, as the device can't push itself, it stops working after a second. It works like a punchbag. If you push a punchbag it pushes back and can hit you hard and it keeps swinging for a while after the pushing has stopped.

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OK, If you feel you have missed something, tell us if you find it once you've taken an even closer look at it. It is very dark under that bench, so you may need a torch. ;)

It is also very dark on top of the bench. Nevertheless the torch does not reveal a hidden wire but two missing ones. :)

Since those parts on the heat sinks are most likely transistors, they should be connected with three wires to work as transistors correctly. But I can see only two white wires leading to each heat sink.

Then looking closely at the green box heat sinks suddenly there are three white wires visible on each, two under the heat sink and one at the top. Meaning, one wire on each green box heat sink has to be a fake. Hence:

Wrong assumption: Three wires on the green box = transistor = accidentally invisible third wire on the work bench.
Correct assumption: Two wires on the work bench = resistor = fake wires on the green box.

Therefore, why thought Kapanadze later on it would be better to show three wires to the public instead of two? In order to hide the fact that the purpose of those transistors is to work as resistors only? Would it have been too revealing to simply use ordinary resistors in the first place?

No headaches anymore about the purpose of a push-pull circuit and whether those parts on the heat sinks are transistors or thyristors. The closer we look the simpler it gets. The big blue-orange coil is out already and so is the spark gap and now the push-pull stage is gone also.

Diode bridge, (hot) resistor, capacitor, induction coil = frequency doubler. Where is the induction coil? It has to be in the can (among other things) and it corresponds with the second transformer of the Stepanov carpentry setup.

That whole thing is a resonant LC circuit which is capable of pumping energy taken from the environment into itself. The visible transformer on the work bench is the L whereas the parallel C is hidden in the tin can, plus the hidden second transformer (the doubler induction coil) running somehow at 50 Hz and 100 Hz simultaneously. I bet on it.

One should ask Kapanadze what he knows about a frequency doubler.

And looking at the »whoosh« man's gesticulation below, it is also my gesticulation when my frequency doubler is running hot.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22277 on: February 21, 2016, 08:47:40 PM »

No headaches anymore about the purpose of a push-pull circuit and whether those parts on the heat sinks are transistors or thyristors. The closer we look the simpler it gets. The big blue-orange coil is out already and so is the spark gap and now the push-pull stage is gone also.

Diode bridge, (hot) resistor, capacitor, induction coil = frequency doubler. Where is the induction coil? It has to be in the can (among other things) and it corresponds with the second transformer of the Stepanov carpentry setup.

That whole thing is a resonant LC circuit which is capable of pumping energy taken from the environment into itself. The visible transformer on the work bench is the L whereas the parallel C is hidden in the tin can, plus the hidden second transformer (the doubler induction coil) running somehow at 50 Hz and 100 Hz simultaneously. I bet on it.

One should ask Kapanadze what he knows about a frequency doubler.

And looking at the »whoosh« man's gesticulation below, it is also my gesticulation when my frequency doubler is running hot.

Well done, you used your torch well.  ;) I like your reasoning and this ties in with its so simple.......... I had always thought that the weird buzzing noise in the bedroom video was transformer. We know that a lot of eye candy is involved. However, we are still left with the problem in not having any real idea how the genuine components were interwired, their spec and whether there was or was not a hidden power supply to maintain the LC resonant circuit resonating.

One thing to bear in mind; the transistors used on the green box heatsinks were TO3 type, so its possible that their collectors (the transistor body metal) hidden wired to transistor fixing screws on the the heatsinks from inside the green box.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22278 on: February 21, 2016, 10:16:11 PM »
Well done, you used your torch well.  ;) I like your reasoning and this ties in with its so simple.......... I had always thought that the weird buzzing noise in the bedroom video was transformer. We know that a lot of eye candy is involved. However, we are still left with the problem in not having any real idea how the genuine components were interwired, their spec and whether there was or was not a hidden power supply to maintain the LC resonant circuit resonating.

One thing to bear in mind; the transistors used on the green box heatsinks were TO3 type, so its possible that their collectors (the transistor body metal) hidden wired to transistor fixing screws on the the heatsinks from inside the green box.

Hoppy  fancy that then, did you say you worked on telecommunications ?  years ago they didn’t use IR opto cable they used COAX the Dally device uses COAX well the music frequency is 440 hz some thing like that well it’s  not  well if that was a string on a jigtar it wouldn’t be all that long to make it resonate would it ! so now un tune it so you get a standing wave, now magnify it what would you end up with, a verrrry loud noise right, well think again ! 

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22279 on: February 21, 2016, 10:39:19 PM »
Hoppy  fancy that then, did you say you worked on telecommunications ?  years ago they didn’t use IR opto cable they used COAX the Dally device uses COAX well the music frequency is 440 hz some thing like that well it’s  not  well if that was a string on a jigtar it wouldn’t be all that long to make it resonate would it ! so now un tune it so you get a standing wave, now magnify it what would you end up with, a verrrry loud noise right, well think again !

Hi Alien,

What's a jigtar??

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22280 on: February 22, 2016, 03:50:30 AM »
That weird buzzing noise in the bedroom video ... let's see, what could be in Kapanadze's tin can? That's an important question.

As we know, based on a blurry video, Stepanov uses two 3-phase transformers. The first one is connected as 3-phase choke, because the motor of the connected machine runs indeed on 3-Phase. The second transformer is also 3-phase, not because of the 3-phase machine, but to get the wanted effect (power amplification). This leads to the assumption (we love making assumptions) that a single-phase device is build upon a single-phase choke (or transformer) and - although single-phase - the second transformer stays a 3-phase one.

So, has Kapanadze ever visibly used a 3-phase transformer in a single-phase device? Yes, he has. In aquarium II we can see it clearly. The measurements of that transformer are: width 140 mm, height 80 mm - thanks to Bernhard. Could it be that this transformer fits in the sadolin paint can on Kapanadze's work bench? Yes, it can, see the illustration below.

The mounting of the toggle switch on the can should be 12 mm (this is a common measurement for such switches), this results in approx. 140 mm diameter for the tin can. As a consequence of that, the 3-phase transformer seen in the aquarium II box could fit in the sadolin paint can on the work bench. It's tight but not impossible.
 
Looking at some other Kapanadze single-phase devices, it seems there is always enough room somewhere to accommodate that green 3-phase transformer. Interesting. Maybe we should go back to Page 872 and start all over again regarding that little green transformer.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22281 on: February 22, 2016, 10:51:33 AM »
Zeit,

Its pushing it to get that trafo into the tin box. I think he would have chosen a square or rectangular box with plenty of air space to dissipate heat that must have been produced if the trafo had anything to do with powering the heater load. Its more likely that the tin box contained a capacitor or toroidal transformer. Its also more likely that any transformer used to power the device would have been hidden in that dark space under the bench. Also, if it really is a key component why show it in the Aqua2 but hide it in the bedroom device.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22282 on: February 22, 2016, 12:20:24 PM »
Since we are concerned on 1500 pages with something »more likely« but without any real result, it could not harm to be concerned with something not so likely, as of now.

Putting a rectangular transformer in a round box would be a nice deception, wouldn't it? ;D

Due to the Stepanov setup we know it can work with a 3-phase transformer. Hence this is the most interesting point to look at.

The aquarium II transformer is a step-down transformer, but it seems to be connected in reverse, so it steps up the voltage instead. And then this voltage is nebulously connected to a fancy coil that does ... nothing. Or does it?

Kapanadze's most magnificent trick to put the power generating part in plain view in front of the camera (like Stepanov)? We should think about that ...

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« Reply #22283 on: February 22, 2016, 12:50:01 PM »
Since we are concerned on 1500 pages with something »more likely« but without any real result, it could not harm to be concerned with something not so likely, as of now.

Putting a rectangular transformer in a round box would be a nice deception, wouldn't it? ;D

Due to the Stepanov setup we know it can work with a 3-phase transformer. Hence this is the most interesting point to look at.

The aquarium II transformer is a step-down transformer, but it seems to be connected in reverse, so it steps up the voltage instead. And then this voltage is nebulously connected to a fancy coil that does ... nothing. Or does it?

Kapanadze's most magnificent trick to put the power generating part in plain view in front of the camera (like Stepanov)? We should think about that ...

Yes, lots of if's and but's to continue pondering over.  :)

Putting anything in the tin box would not amount to a deception, as the whole device could be reasonably considered a deception without understanding its true mode of operation. 
 
I'm curious to know how you think the power generating step-up transformer and possibly fancy coil, then step-down the voltage to produce the current to power the fire at a 2KW rating with no external PSU or battery supply. Do you have a circuit diagram in mind that shows your idea on this?

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« Reply #22284 on: February 22, 2016, 02:00:25 PM »
Watching even closer. There is a heat sink visible in the middle of the second Stepanov transformer. What could that mean?

It could mean there is a 3-phase diode bridge mounted on that heat sink. Since it is mounted exactly in the middle of that transformer (as I see this) it could further mean that the transformer with this diode bridge heat sink comes out of the production-line (off-the-shelf) that way. This then could further mean that this transformer is a step-down transformer, e.g. 380 volts 3-phase AC in, 24 volts DC out. A 3-phase transformer in the range of 380 volts / 5000 volts (e.g.) would not need a diode bridge to convert 380 volts or higher to DC.

And as a pure coincidence Kapanadze's little green 3-phase transformer is also a step-down one. Also we remember: The virtual ground of a (grounded) 3-phase choke is actually the antenna of a 3-phase crystal radio. And, as we surely know, the input (antenna) and the output (diode to earpiece) of a crystal radio is one and the same wire.

So, what is still missing to put this stuff together? A few adequate experiments with a 3-phase transformer connected to a crystal radio like circuit?

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« Reply #22285 on: February 22, 2016, 02:26:05 PM »
Can you take this further into a circuit schematic for us, showing where the ambient energy enters the transformer?

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« Reply #22286 on: February 23, 2016, 01:46:02 AM »
Any circuit schematic or a working one? The latter could be more difficult to obtain, I think. :P

A good start point would be to apply the »rule out« method. Any component ruled out can't be any longer a wrong component.

Inspecting the aquarium II device in detail, what do we see? There are few wires coming out of the hidden part. I would call it »neatly arranged«. Six wires are going to two switches and to the connector for the startup battery. We do not care about that wires. Two wires are going to the spark plugs. We do not care about them either, because that sparking is just for the amusement of the audience.

We do care about six wires going to the 3-phase transformer and one coaxial cable going to a hollow plastic tube. The coils on that plastic tube do - you guessed it - NOTHING! No chance that this blue and that enameled wire could ever amplify any electric current. This is totally nonsense.

The output consists of two blue wires. One should be connected to ground, the braid of the coaxial cable is (most likely) also ground. So, what's left? We have to connect the second blue output wire to the center core of the coax, since the coils of the 3-phase transformer can't withstand 9 amps (2000 watts load divided by 220 volts), unless ...

The choices here are either the high current comes out of the device's hidden part via the coaxial cable, or the 3-phase transformer generates that current somehow right in front of the audience (which is amused by the sparking).

Would we are better off if we could see the hidden components? If we could see one more (3-phase) transformer or a capacitor it would change nothing, because we would not know what currents are circulating in the windings.

Therefore more theory is needed. Below there is an illuminating newspaper clipping, »Static on Moving Object Forms Magnetic Field«. So as we do have static in form of high voltage (pulses) in an open transformer circuit, we could form a magnetic field from static by moving that static. How to move that static without moving the transformer? Apply a magnetic field to that static field so the static forms an additional magnetic field which should result in an exceptional strong magnetic field. That magnetic field then interacts with the crystal radio LC circuit (hidden part of the aquarium II device, in plain view on the floor of Stepanov's workshop).

A crystal radio works because the antenna is always statically charged with a bit of voltage (from the environment), then this static is subject to the very weak magnetic field of the radio waves coming from a remote radio station. Now we connect the antenna to something that produces a high level of static AND a high level of a magnetic field. What should happen?

If nothing happens, then something has to be wrong. Hence, the part list:

1) One choke (single- or 3-phase)
2) One 3-phase transformer (in special arrangement)
3) One diode bridge (for the frequency doubler)
4) One power resistor (runs hot)
5) Some capacitors to get the resonance

If we need more parts, the setup can't be right.

Some similarities to the yoke device are by sheer chance, I suppose. Pulsed high voltage is mixed with a magnetic field powering a LC circuit.

Interesting coincidence by the way: Remember, Kapanadze's green 3-phase transformer is connected 5/7 5/7 5/7 to input, 3/4 3/4 3/4 is connected in parallel without load and thus to nothing, 1/2 (88 Ohms) 1/2 (80 Ohms) is connected in parallel (through a fancy coil) without load and thus to nothing. 1/2 (78 Ohms) is connected to a blue wire (1) and open (2). Hence, there are three inputs, but only one static (open) high voltage output.

Does this remind us of something? What about the second Stepanov transformer? Clearly two coils are open so they do nothing like 1/2 1/2. That Stepanov transformer has no pins 3/4 3/4 3/4, so it's not applicable. But then the right hand coil of that Stepanov transformer is connected to some wires - exactly like Kapanadze's little green transformer. Strange thing, isn't it?

I almost forgot: ... unless that transformer generates a strong magnetic field that attracts (sucks) electrons directly into the resonant load circuit, not into the flimsy transformer itself.

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« Reply #22287 on: February 23, 2016, 09:49:18 AM »

Inspecting the aquarium II device in detail, what do we see? There are few wires coming out of the hidden part. I would call it »neatly arranged«. Six wires are going to two switches and to the connector for the startup battery. We do not care about that wires. Two wires are going to the spark plugs. We do not care about them either, because that sparking is just for the amusement of the audience.

We do care about six wires going to the 3-phase transformer and one coaxial cable going to a hollow plastic tube. The coils on that plastic tube do - you guessed it - NOTHING! No chance that this blue and that enameled wire could ever amplify any electric current. This is totally nonsense.

The output consists of two blue wires. One should be connected to ground, the braid of the coaxial cable is (most likely) also ground. So, what's left? We have to connect the second blue output wire to the center core of the coax, since the coils of the 3-phase transformer can't withstand 9 amps (2000 watts load divided by 220 volts), unless ...

The choices here are either the high current comes out of the device's hidden part via the coaxial cable, or the 3-phase transformer generates that current somehow right in front of the audience (which is amused by the sparking).

Would we are better off if we could see the hidden components? If we could see one more (3-phase) transformer or a capacitor it would change nothing, because we would not know what currents are circulating in the windings.

I almost forgot: ... unless that transformer generates a strong magnetic field that attracts (sucks) electrons directly into the resonant load circuit, not into the flimsy transformer itself.

I agree that the blue coils do nothing apart from carrying current to the load.

I agree that the transformer is not capable of supplying the necessary current to the load, so it and its fancy coil are also eye candy because it could not possibly induce sufficient current into the blue coils, which we also agree do nothing.

It obviously would be better to see all components because as it stands the components we see do not equate to providing a system that could possibly generate the power required to run the 2KW or thereabouts load. More importantly, we cannot rule out hidden 'x' wires enclosed in the earthing braid that may well have carried the necessary current to the load. This scenario would make ample sense of all those magicians props, because the real necessary component count would have been minimal and clarly not exciting to the audience.

The device is indeed sucking-in electrons, most likely from a power source somewhere outside the house.  ;D

Instead of photos of the trafo and aquarium which have been posted before, I assumed that you would have posted a suitable resonant circuit to support yout theory, showing where the massive ambient energy was being sucked-in to self sustain the operation of the device without the need for any external power supply.

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« Reply #22288 on: February 23, 2016, 11:40:46 AM »
Nothing to comment about the strange similarities between the Kapanadze aquarium II transformer and the Stepanov transformer?

Now I have to look for a suitable 3-phase transformer to experiment with in order to post a suitable resonant circuit. In the meantime the search for hidden wires goes on.

Where do you think is the hidden 'x' wire in case of aquarium I presentation (see below)? The ground cable (same as green box cable?) goes straight to the faucet (no bearded man with long sleeves between) and none of the bystanders complains about the possibility of a hidden wire somewhere.

Anyway I think we have already seen all components but we are to stupid to connect the dots.

All we need is a magic transformer, maybe we can find one. ;D

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« Reply #22289 on: February 23, 2016, 02:05:48 PM »
Nothing to comment about the strange similarities between the Kapanadze aquarium II transformer and the Stepanov transformer?

Now I have to look for a suitable 3-phase transformer to experiment with in order to post a suitable resonant circuit. In the meantime the search for hidden wires goes on.

Where do you think is the hidden 'x' wire in case of aquarium I presentation (see below)? The ground cable (same as green box cable?) goes straight to the faucet (no bearded man with long sleeves between) and none of the bystanders complains about the possibility of a hidden wire somewhere.

Anyway I think we have already seen all components but we are to stupid to connect the dots.

All we need is a magic transformer, maybe we can find one. ;D

Unfortunately, the Aqua1 video was even worse quality than the Aqua2 and green box and there were not enough close-up shots of the whole device including lamp array to even start using magnifying glass. 

My only comment in respect of the 3-phase trafo used in both the Kapa and Stepanov devices is that we need a lot more to decide if the similarity was anymore than just coincidence. I don't recall seeing a 3-phase trafo in the shots I saw of the Aqua1 device. I did however see a lot of scrap circuit boards used as eye candy.

You've already seen all the magic TK is likely to show us.  ;D

 

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