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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13856893 times)

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22245 on: February 18, 2016, 11:35:41 AM »
Zeitmaschine

Well the problem is if they were really measuring
a ground current then this device(green box) is a fraud.
All thats needed then is a hot side to complete a fraud
you forgot in my setup I used a 60 watt bulb, less than an amp draw
yet it showed 24 amps.Given other factors in the green box
it would show close to the required current draw,the point is the clampmeter
under the influence of pulses shows a false current,my setup does and  hes would to.
In a later part of the video he removes the ground wire from the faucet
and measures one light 4 amps,2 lights 8 amp,so we can assume 5 lights 20 amps.
There is no ground current of any kind,if there was then its fake
a hidden wire trick.Not knowing Stepanov's setup I can't comment
if your sure that a real current reading is taken you should be able
to connect a load to that point.The mixing of huge pulses with the 50 HZ ac,
 is what creates this false current effect.If a device  doesn't mix huge
pulses with ac then theres no problem in measurement.There are very few
video's of Stepanov's device,there are many video's of Tariel's devices.
Things are easy to fake,you mean to tell me you don't have any con men in your country. :o

I agree with your reasoning here. The green box video device would have been fairly easy to fake using a hidden 50Hz current supply. The earth wire was not entirely necessary, as the ac current was most likely taken into the device via the cable being held in the bearded man's hand.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22246 on: February 18, 2016, 01:10:03 PM »
   Zeitmaschine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopole_antenna

You can not have a one
connection path to ground and get a high current thats not possible.You need two
 connections.It is not possible to get a huge current from only a ground connection only unless
you either have a very high frequency generated from one point to ground or a high voltage.
There are one wire ac 50hz transmission systems,the voltage at the transmitting portion is step up to a
 very high voltage so it can pass thru the dirt with as little loss as possible
 the dirt acts as the other wire it has resistance causing loss,at the receiving end the voltage is stepped down.
Having an ac 50 Hz
 high current thru a wire going to ground where there is only one wire is impossible unless its fake,a hidden hot wire is being used.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22247 on: February 18, 2016, 01:20:25 PM »
Zeit,

The lamps are running nowhere near 5000W in the video.

In which video? Green box in full bright sunlight? Or this video? Looks to me like 5000 Watts of light easily.

The green box video device would have been fairly easy to fake using a hidden 50Hz current supply.

And that's the reason I think why no one seems to be really interested in the Stepanov device. Because it is all presented in plain view (at least for the bystanders and the television crew) so no one can argue there is something hidden (like a wire) in order to conduct a scam. That's unfortunate for all who want to put all those videos in the fake corner.

Anyway my question still stands: Does a crystal radio need a ground current to work, and which parameter is the limiter of that current?

It is not possible to get a huge current from only a ground connection only unless
you either have a very high frequency generated from one point to ground or a high voltage.

Yes, we have high voltage. I'm constantly writing about that, namely connecting high voltage to a receiver antenna.

If we assume that the following equation is correct

- the magnitude of a crystal radio's ground current equals the free energy received by that crystal radio

then what happens if the radio transmitter is only a few meters away? Do we get a larger ground current and hence more free energy?

What if the radio transmitter is connected directly to the antenna of the crystal radio? Could it then happen that the ground current (which represents free energy) exceeds a level, so the receiver produces more energy than the transmitter consumes?


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22248 on: February 18, 2016, 01:41:23 PM »
In which video? Green box in full bright sunlight? Or this video? Looks to me like 5000 Watts of light easily.


In neither.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22249 on: February 18, 2016, 01:55:11 PM »
Says who?

And if it is only 2000 Watts then this free energy is not good enough?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22250 on: February 18, 2016, 02:07:27 PM »
Says who?

And if it is only 2000 Watts then this free energy is not good enough?

Me.

Yes of course, if its free.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22251 on: February 18, 2016, 02:18:32 PM »
Not again........we covered the Green Boxy already somewhere between page 1 and page 1484 of this very short thread. hahaha

Summary is simple. Ground wire from faucet goes to the bearded guy (BD) who holds a few loops of the ground wire in his hand where they introduce an actual hot line into the ground wire going from the BD to the center of the TK Coil (TKC). Notice they only look at amperage between the BD and TKC. That's because you cannot take clamp on measurements on a neutral or ground line. You always need the hot side.

When the ground wire enters the center end of the TKC, that's where they opened it up and sent the hot to the hot side of their output and let the ground wire pass through the TKC to exit from the other side to create the illusion that the ground wire only passes through the TKC. Why else would you even bother passing it through the TKC if it is only a ground that could be connected from the outside to the output.

The BD never moved one iota from his initial position. For humans to be so "on guard" must be more then to simply hold a few turns of ground wire in his hand. The hot connecting is on the ground and his shoe is making the connection that goes up his pants, his shirt then down his sleeve to then meld into the ground wire turns in his hand and bingo, you now have a very convincing show à la David Copperfield.

We all know that coupling 5000 watts through the TKC of the Green Box or even the Aquarium units is simply impossible to conceive. If there is anything relative to a primary and secondary, those wires would generate a good 95% coupling loss so how could they have coupled so much juice.

The spark gap they show is not even using 1 amp. If it was 1 amp it would be as thick as the metal points used and not this very thin spark which is just peanuts to the effect they are showing in the lit bulbs. Does not make sense.

The final nail in the coffin is time itself and human nature. After all this time, none of TKs cohorts who knew the deal ever came forward to claim the glory their master would not. That's is not possible if this was true given their level of need for any source of revenue, someone would have come forward by now. But if the device is fake, they all know already that coming forward is not an option and their only card to play is fake demos for hire.

TK, like SM was a fake and anyone playing the same game of SHOW but don't TELL is also a fake.

wattsup

PS: As for those who may say "wattsup always says it's fake when he can't figure out how it works" should think again. What's harder finding a Wire X or how they faked something or trying to rationalize how they made it work when it is in fact a fake. The former has a time limit while the later does not. You can spend your next 10 more years trying to develop a TK device and never do it even if you worked through 50 variables one by one. In the end you will arrive at my same conclusion which is not a cop out. It's just the reality we have to deal with every damn day of this OU life we decided to lead. In the end, the only real position on all of these purported devices is very simple. If you do not disclose complete function, YOU'RE A FAKE or you are not HUMAN, since you turned your back on helping man while you concentrate on playing these petty "I know - you don't" games while the world is in such dire straights. You need to draw the line somewhere otherwise you will be chasing an endless shadow. In the end, you are much better off working on your own devices then trying to follow any OU simulations.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22252 on: February 18, 2016, 02:30:30 PM »
Me.

Magic eyes?

Then why does the clamp meter show 25 amps measured directly at the lamps, not the ground wire?

25 A times 220 V equals 5500 W

Not again........we covered the Green Boxy already somewhere between page 1 and page 1484 of this very short thread. hahaha

On the contrary! Again and again!

So as it seems some people going slowly into panic mode because part of the Kapanadze/Stepanov device has been already cracked. 8)

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« Reply #22253 on: February 18, 2016, 02:50:55 PM »

So as it seems some people going slowly into panic mode because part of the Kapanadze/Stepanov device has been already cracked. 8)

You crack me up! The laughter continues.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22254 on: February 18, 2016, 07:50:45 PM »
Notice they only look at amperage between the BD and TKC. That's because you cannot take clamp on measurements on a neutral or ground line. You always need the hot side.

If so or not: Then who told the man with the clamp meter to take the measurements exactly that way? Is he also in on the secret?

Fakeability does not contradict reality.

So what do we have so far? We have a parallel LC circuit, one side connected to ground like a crystal radio (single- or three-phase) and we have a frequency doubler circuit. That's for sure. Now what could be the missing third part?

What we not have: A spark gap and a big self-made coil on an old kitchen roll holder. That's mere nonsense.

Electric energy always flows from higher frequency to lower frequency. A solar inverter makes use of this when it sends solar electricity into the power grid (making the meter running backwards).

Therefore I would guess, the LC circuit should resonate at 50Hz, whereas the antenna should oscillate at 100Hz in order to transfer the free energy captured by the antenna and/or ground into the 50Hz grid.

Maybe I'm wrong, hence some experimenting is needed (whilst the laughter continues).

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« Reply #22256 on: February 18, 2016, 11:55:13 PM »
If so or not: Then who told the man with the clamp meter to take the measurements exactly that way? Is he also in on the secret?

@Z

Actually go back and look again and you can see that the bearded guy is the one presenting the wire to be clamped. He always made sure it was done between him and the TK Coil.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22257 on: February 18, 2016, 11:56:15 PM »
Quote
Not again........we covered the Green Boxy already somewhere between page 1 and page 1484 of this very short thread. hahaha

Summary is simple. Ground wire from faucet goes to the bearded guy (BD) who holds a few loops of the ground wire in his hand where they introduce an actual hot line into the ground wire going from the BD to the center of the TK Coil (TKC). Notice they only look at amperage between the BD and TKC.( That's because you cannot take clamp on measurements on a neutral or ground line. You always need the hot side.)


you need two wire connections weither you take a reading  on the hot wire or ground wire makes no difference,you must have a complete path for the energy to travel)

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When the ground wire enters the center end of the TKC, that's where they opened it up and sent the hot to the hot side of their output and let the ground wire pass through the TKC to exit from the other side to create the illusion that the ground wire only passes through the TKC. Why else would you even bother passing it through the TKC if it is only a ground that could be connected from the outside to the output.

That makes no logical sense draw a picture how exactly they faked it ;D


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The BD never moved one iota from his initial position. For humans to be so "on guard" must be more then to simply hold a few turns of ground wire in his hand. The hot connecting is on the ground and his shoe is making the connection that goes up his pants, his shirt then down his sleeve to then meld into the ground wire turns in his hand and bingo, you now have a very convincing show à la David Copperfield.

The bearded guy has some mental issues ,as in retarded,someone you would hire ,to bite off chicken heads for a side show of a circus

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We all know that coupling 5000 watts through the TKC of the Green Box or even the Aquarium units is simply impossible to conceive. If there is anything relative to a primary and secondary, those wires would generate a good 95% coupling loss so how could they have coupled so much juice.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic,Arthur C. Clarke)

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The spark gap they show is not even using 1 amp. If it was 1 amp it would be as thick as the metal points used and not this very thin spark which is just peanuts to the effect they are showing in the lit bulbs. Does not make sense.



who says the spark has anything to do with the operation, its to fake you out)

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The final nail in the coffin is time itself and human nature. After all this time, none of TKs cohorts who knew the deal ever came forward to claim the glory their master would not. That's is not possible if this was true given their level of need for any source of revenue, someone would have come forward by now. But if the device is fake, they all know already that coming forward is not an option and their only card to play is fake demos for hire.

Like SM, Tariel trusts no one so hes cohorts know jack shit,theres nothing for them to tell)

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TK, like SM was a fake and anyone playing the same game of SHOW but don't TELL is also a fake.


Now you have crossed the line saying SM is fake,no internet for you,go stand in the corner,what will the members at overunity research ,say for shame ::)

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PS: As for those who may say "wattsup always says it's fake when he can't figure out how it works" should think again. What's harder finding a Wire X or how they faked something or trying to rationalize how they made it work when it is in fact a fake. The former has a time limit while the later does not. You can spend your next 10 more years trying to develop a TK device and never do it even if you worked through 50 variables one by one. In the end you will arrive at my same conclusion which is not a cop out. It's just the reality we have to deal with every damn day of this OU life we decided to lead. In the end, the only real position on all of these purported devices is very simple. If you do not disclose complete function, YOU'RE A FAKE or you are not HUMAN, since you turned your back on helping man while you concentrate on playing these petty "I know - you don't" games while the world is in such dire straights. You need to draw the line somewhere otherwise you will be chasing an endless shadow. In the end, you are much better off working on your own devices then trying to follow any OU simulations.

If you can't figure it out you declare it fake and move on, it is a psychological mechanism,to cope with failure.
If I didn't know you for so long I would say you work for the other team,but the real truth is you create massive confusion
for free.You look for anything out of place that may have another explanation then scream fake, fraud.
.The reason that the tpu group failed to get anywhere was they believed SM would not lie to them and wanted them to build hes tpu.One member in the group was SM himself,he feed  lies to confuse the group so they went in circles,I personally got tired of
the members being so stupid,so I worked on my own,made great progress.The reason neither SM or Tariel will reveal
how to build there device is it is too simple to make,too many thieves around,you will not make a penny on it.
This is why SM coned investors appealing to there greed, gave them nothing,Tariel charges for demos appealing to the greed of the
person paying for the demo.You can not make a penny on either devices,.Theres a very good chance that the tpu and Tariels devices are not really perfected to sell even if you know how to make one.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22258 on: February 19, 2016, 05:16:43 AM »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22259 on: February 19, 2016, 10:04:15 AM »


Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic,Arthur C. Clarke)


TK into advance technology! Pull the other one.  ;D

Can anyone produce a clearer look at the cable shown arrowed as it enters the box?

The bottom clip shows a possible 'hot' wire running along the ground behind the BG and his partner.

 

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