What about the difference in primary resonance frequencies with the secondary open vs. only the bulb across secondary ?

The above testing was for setting a base line understanding of the circuit as i did not really understand what Jack had in mind.
Jack has moved this subject to here:  http://www.overunity.com/14211/lenzless-resonant-transformer/msg388711/#msg388711

He mentions that my windings are not what he had in mind, (prim and sec on each side of the core)  so i will change that and retest.
I will also incorperate your suggestions mentioned above and the one about winding the coils forth and back instead of twice around the core.

Thanks,  regards Itsu

Element six:
I like the circuit you have found but have one observation.
The capacitor is capable of storing over 10 watt-seconds.
The neon consumes a negligible amount of power, so we could be looking
at a conventional effect.

Here is my response:


Two  opinions.
Two opposite sides of displacement curent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGdXfPeTtE8




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displacement_current


Thank you for  previous responses:
Anyone would like comment on it now?




Wesley

Element six:
I like the circuit you have found but have one observation.
The capacitor is capable of storing over 10 watt-seconds.
The neon consumes a negligible amount of power, so we could be looking
at a conventional effect.

Yea he talks about that on the next thread page.  It is a big capacitor but I also thought it was a good representation of an energy conversion device.  It's very close he says to what Dynatron had come out with at the time.  He came out with his first thou.  I am sure you all remember this old pic from dynatron.

Hey Aking21, Have you ever considered or seen a device that took the Term "UNIDIRECTIONAL" literally an made the input into the discharge circuit, one wire??  I think it has good HV potential, like the video on the homepage of our forum here.  That guy shows a HV circuit, created by using just a AA battery.  Heres the link if you hadn't noticed it.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQb6oyRXMrY&list=PLC7684829E98CAD74

I like the way this guy explains it, and that he mentions about the inductor current being opposite in intensity kind of thing. 

There's two basic ways to look a it. 1) From a physics point of view (complex). and 2) From an electronics point of view (simple).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppWBwZS4e7A

I think things could get quite complex with displacement current especially when we get to radio frequencies and distances between the plates of the "capacitor".

Cheers

Very good link FarmHand.

I like his enthusiasm and style.

His advice to "keep it simple" is well stated.

What we really need in the way of understanding
to make things "work" is indeed simple.  Getting
bogged down with theoretical unknowns can
introduce needless confusion into any discussion.

Capacitors are fascinating and, of course, will
ultimately cause one to wonder:  Do capacitors
develop any CEMF or BEMF in normal operation
or is that a strictly inductive property?

Very good link FarmHand.

I like his enthusiasm and style.

His advice to "keep it simple" is well stated.

What we really need in the way of understanding
to make things "work" is indeed simple.  Getting
bogged down with theoretical unknowns can
introduce needless confusion into any discussion.

Capacitors are fascinating and, of course, will
ultimately cause one to wonder:  Do capacitors
develop any CEMF or BEMF in normal operation
or is that a strictly inductive property?

 I have to agree that capacitors are very interesting but your last question is something I might help you with Bemf I think is due to Self induction of segmented conductors in correct relation to itself and the electric field that is around the segmented components. Whereas the capacitor generally does not include a contiguous segmented conductor. Yes capacitors are wrapped but in such a way that is not continuous ie. a current path, so no bemf would not be a component of a capacitor and hence why they can near instantly discharge then recharge.


 Self induction is like a resistance to a coil. It builds till no current flows at all until there is a change in the field of the coil.


 I think this is the reason Tesla started looking into the bifilar coils. It was a way to bring the non self induction of a capacitor into the realm of a coil so that it could continuously charge then discharge without the resistance that is notable in normal solenoid winds. Without a resistance like that a coil could charge and form the magnetic field nearly instantly instead of waiting for the self induction of the coil to fill the coil with energy. This would make it appear that the bifilar coil is stronger at producing magnetic fields only that it takes way less time to charge that coil due to low self inductance. The capacitive element of the bifilar coil.


 Stivep Also has turned me onto the video series he has linked in a post. Thank you Stivep.


 It is funny how it parallels my own ideas about how we went wrong and the corrections that we need to use to make them correct. This guy is an EE that has done his homework to prove the big fallacies that have pervaded our science for over 300 years. I recommend watching the whole series to get a handle on the bigger picture we have refused to see.

 Although he does not believe in Overunity I get the feeling he knows where the energy comes from and that negates any OverUnity claims. OU was only used as a term because we did not know where the extra energy came from in some setups. Now he is tearing down walls and building a solid foundation to build our new science. He also rectifies quite a few things that didn't jive between the different aspects of science. Quite informative and very interesting to watch... Thanks again Stivep...

 For your viewing pleasure that video series:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sUe6SL22NA

I would rather like a simple explanation how electrons can be drawn out of a metallic object without the need of having a closed electric circuit. Because that's the trick of Kapanadze, Stepanov and Barbosa to make things work.

At Radio Frequencies the explanation is quite simple
and entails radiation, possibly ionization and of course
the mysterious "displacement current."

Whether any of the above mentioned are able to do
so as a demonstration of Over Unity or Free Energy
in any way other than that by which Daniel Pomerleau
does it remains to be established.