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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 12788964 times)

Offline havuhung

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21135 on: February 19, 2014, 01:12:36 PM »
Hi All,
Why until now no one has successfully built an FE devices small capacity, based on the principle of the Tariel Kapanadze?  :(

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21136 on: February 19, 2014, 02:21:59 PM »
@havuhung, I believe that TK said you need 240 volt push for his device to work, hence the 240 volt inverter in early vids. I have only been working with 240volts and after 5 years nothing positive, but have seen OU be it for just a few minutes before melt down.

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Keith

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21137 on: February 19, 2014, 03:27:07 PM »
Afraid not.


 Again why are you here if you don't know anything about TK and his devices?


 For your reference:


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVUN3GsekKQ


 See this is the problem. You want to chime in on things you have no idea about. You blather and distract instead of letting others see the connections. Do your homework before coming here and saying things about a process you don't understand.




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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21137 on: February 19, 2014, 03:27:07 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21138 on: February 19, 2014, 03:57:08 PM »
This one wire motor consumes power and has a return path to the supply via displacement current. It is featured on page 234 of this book https://ia700302.us.archive.org/16/items/inventionsresear00martiala/inventionsresear00martiala.pdf

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/jbignes5/onewiremotor.gif

An example of the power draw from a single wire connection and displacement return is below. Keep in mind that is a 30 amp meter so it's input is changing by a couple of hundred milliamps from a 12 volt battery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXE7z6UAYSw

Cheers


 Well Certainly it draws power in that setup. But in a real one wire setup there is a diode like block to keep the pathway from effecting the source. Although your experiments have show the simple process it doesn't show the correct way to do such experiments.


 The driver is the issue and if it is not separated properly from the load by a gap then yes it will effect the source. With the addition of magnetic quenching to that gap you will get a real impulse and I am betting quite a lot of current will appear to flow in the motor.


 To increase that flow one could put a mass on one terminal of the special transformer that I have shown like a plate and then the other terminal goes to the one wire motor then to another plate. The flow or circuit path will include the two plates as terminals and act like a normal circuit. But if you properly separate the source from the load it should not affect the source in any appreciable manner and hence why TK uses a small battery to start the unit then disconnects it when the source cap has charged up enough.


 Your experiment shows the basic concepts are there. But in order to complete the experiment you must separate the source from the load which TK did and you did not.


 We all know how a spark gap works right? It builds up then breaks down at predictable voltage levels. Well the spark gap is the dam in this case. Once the dam overflows or discharges it flows till the potential across the spark gap falls below the breakdown voltage. This can be made to fire quicker by using magnets across the spark gap.

 The plates in the case of TK's example include the big metal shroud the surround the source unit and control device. The input goes into the metal shroud and to the source cap. This starts the process and the unit begins to power up.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21139 on: February 19, 2014, 04:04:57 PM »
This one wire motor consumes power and has a return path to the supply via displacement current. It is featured on page 234 of ..................................( look  above at  original  post and link)


An example of the power draw from a single wire connection and displacement return is below. Keep in mind that is a 30 amp meter so it's input is changing by a couple of hundred milliamps from a 12 volt battery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXE7z6UAYSw

Cheers


this is the comment on that video  from  Stefan:

 
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Seems like the current only increase 100 or 200 milliAmps ! But you light up an 18 Watts tube! The drawn difference power is not 18 Watts! So you win power from the environment!


This Question is addressed primarily but not only to Farmhand.
I would be delighted if  anyone else respond to it. e.g Verpies.

How do you understand Displacement Current Mechanism
in open wire circuit from that video?


Please explain Displacement Current Mechanism:
-for DC
-for AC
-for electrostatic charge
 
simple "open  air" one wire  circuit must obey the same condition - please explain Displacement Current Mechanism with respect to wire gap size or space distance .






Wesley

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21139 on: February 19, 2014, 04:04:57 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21140 on: February 19, 2014, 04:08:31 PM »
@havuhung, I believe that TK said you need 240 volt push for his device to work, hence the 240 volt inverter in early vids. I have only been working with 240volts and after 5 years nothing positive, but have seen OU be it for just a few minutes before melt down.

Regards
Keith
Hi captainkt,
Hopefully you will be successful in the next test.
Thank you

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21141 on: February 19, 2014, 05:52:39 PM »
Again why are you here if you don't know anything about TK and his devices?
 For your reference:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVUN3GsekKQ
See this is the problem. You want to chime in on things you have no idea about. You blather and distract instead of letting others see the connections. Do your homework before coming here and saying things about a process you don't understand.

I think Hoppy has already done his homework.
He studied and brainstormed those TK motors on the open forum starting from this reply to Zeitmaschine for 50 pages:
http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg357484/#msg357484

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21141 on: February 19, 2014, 05:52:39 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21142 on: February 19, 2014, 08:41:18 PM »

this is the comment on that video  from  Stefan:

 

This Question is addressed primarily but not only to Farmhand.
I would be delighted if  anyone else respond to it. e.g Verpies.

How do you understand Displacement Current Mechanism
in open wire circuit from that video?


Please explain Displacement Current Mechanism:
-for DC
-for AC
-for electrostatic charge
 
simple "open  air" one wire  circuit must obey the same condition - please explain Displacement Current Mechanism with respect to wire gap size or space distance .






Wesley

Well my view might be a bit different from others, but as I see it the plate at the end of the wire or even just the tube or the experimenters body acts as the "condenser in series with the coil", as Tesla put it. He also mentions that the motor can be used by connecting one end of the coil to the insulated plate and the other one preferably to ground.

As Tesla writes that the energy can be "given off into space" "and derived from it", so to me it seems entirely possible that with the "radio capable" frequencies a plate hanging in free air and insulated might possibly create a disturbance/gradient in the electrical field directly surrounding the plate, meaning that the energy is not "always" "all" returned via a different path eg, the ground, but some could be stored in the field around the plate then returned on the next half cycle via the same wire . Although I do not believe this is always the case or that all the energy goes that way, some or all may well complete a displacement current loop back to the generator via the ground as in the case in the shown example. Or when he talks of the motor connected to ground and the plate I think in that case the action is reversed and the ground is a fully fledged conductor with the displacement being a combination or all of one or the other displacement situations I described above concerning the plate.

Kinda like the difference of having a loop of hose with a alternating current and a piece of hose with a balloon on the end of it. It is worth noting that in my experience a much more stable and reliable result can be had by connecting one of the terminals of the transformer to the ground (even a center tap) and using the other as the connection to the fluro tube or whatever so this indicates that at least the action is improved by having the ground as a displacement return.

I think at the time of the Lecture Tesla had a lot going on and possibly was not certain of all mechanisms himself at that point.

Quote from the PDF.

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But there is an additional feature of interest about this motor,
namely, it is not necessary to have even a single connection between
the motor and generator, except, perhaps, through the
ground
; for not only is an insulated plate capable of giving off
energy into space, but it is likewise capable of deriving it from
an alternating electrostatic field, though in the latter case the
available energy is much smaller. In this instance one of the
motor terminals is connected to the insulated plate or body
located within the alternating electrostatic field, and the other
terminal preferably to the ground.

Cheers

P.S. I appreciate Stefan's comment, he does keep an eye on things. However even though the fluro looked bright, the camera does auto adjust and the frequency was maybe 20 Khz and voltage high. So even with half Wattage the tube would look pretty bright because of the duty across the 240 volt tube would be less than 100%. Plus the meter is not so accurate at that low amperage for a 30 Amp meter. I would say it did produce light fairly efficiently though, (not considering idle input power) adding more tubes results in a condition were I think the load becomes so capacitive the frequency could need lowering to maintain an increasing output by (keeping the tune on the transformer).

That transformer in my video took a lot of winding and work to build but it is very good for a hack like me to experiment with, i found I can use it to rectify AC to DC while messing with it, I didn't dwell on it because doing so showed a half voltage, although now I think of it I likely had two secondaries in parallel somehow so same power might have been possible. I'll get back to that.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21143 on: February 20, 2014, 12:16:15 AM »

Is there anyone here who could do this simple test ? It will take at most 30 mins of your time. Any ferrite ring, any number of turns, any sized caps will do. Start using same amount of turns and same sized caps on both sides. 


If result is not positive, then at least we would then know what not to look for.


I have done it and it works for me but cannot do power measurements or get scope shots. I used nanoperm (80000) with 80 turns and 1000 nf caps. Resonance was about 11 kHz. For comparison, single coil having 20 turns and 1000 nf cap had resonant frequency below 1 kHz. Difference is over fourty times, ten for the frequency and four for difference in L, 20 turns vs. 80 turns.


Ok,  i toke a shot at this.

Single ferrite core (6.5cm od)
dual speaker wire (stranded 22 awg) wound twice around the whole circumference meaning 60 turns.

So we have a primary coil of 60 turns with 4mH and 0.2 Ohm and a secondary coil with 4mH and 0.2 Ohm.

2 capacitors of 220nF are attached to both coils which should give us a resonance frequency of about 5.3KHz according to http://www.1728.org/resfreq.htm.
Measurements confirm this, but resonance is very broad.

Bulbs used are 6V.

It turns out that in this situation we do not have a synchronious resonance on the primary and secondary
Primary resonance (input bulb off) is at 2.9KHz, while secondary resonance (output bulb lit) is at 7.8KHz.

Using another set of capacitors (7nF) shows similar behaviour, but on a higher frequency.


I think this is not the correct thread for this, but i leave it to jack if he want to move this to one of his own threads on this subject.

Video here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOX0tqgnD_w&feature=youtu.be

Regards Itsu

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21143 on: February 20, 2014, 12:16:15 AM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21144 on: February 20, 2014, 01:56:05 AM »
It turns out that in this situation we do not have a synchronous resonance on the primary and secondary
Primary resonance (input bulb off) is at 2.9KHz, while secondary resonance (output bulb lit) is at 7.8KHz.
What about the difference in primary resonance frequencies with the secondary open vs. only the bulb across secondary ?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21145 on: February 20, 2014, 02:12:10 AM »
I think Hoppy has already done his homework.
He studied and brainstormed those TK motors on the open forum starting from this reply to Zeitmaschine for 50 pages:
http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg357484/#msg357484


 Really? Care to look back 500 pages and see who is there posting, If not more... Me...


 He or she couldn't even put together the reference that I put forth. Check hoppy's posts and you will see not much contribution to any subject and I mean only replies of fraud or wrong doing, replies meant to distract or right out shame or insult and no real work being done by these guys.


 There are quite a few here that troll the threads and do a good job of scaring away Most experimenters. All of these guys, you can check the quality of their posts by clicking their name and clicking message history. Things to look out for are very low word counts of the posts and them pointing out how dangerous all this is and how concerned they are with post that might lead some into very dangerous areas of experimenting.


 Trust me most of what we are doing here is dangerous and most here know the repercussions of experimenting in these fields.


 So someone with a 17 post count knows what about this thread? Have you actually read the whole thread or 50 some odd pages?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21146 on: February 20, 2014, 02:57:11 AM »

this is the comment on that video  from  Stefan:

 

This Question is addressed primarily but not only to Farmhand.
I would be delighted if  anyone else respond to it. e.g Verpies.

How do you understand Displacement Current Mechanism
in open wire circuit from that video?


Please explain Displacement Current Mechanism:
-for DC
-for AC
-for electrostatic charge
 
simple "open  air" one wire  circuit must obey the same condition - please explain Displacement Current Mechanism with respect to wire gap size or space distance .






Wesley


 Hey let me give this one a try.


 Displacement current is another fallacy proposed by Maxwell in the late 1890's or so. It was a mechanical analogy to the magnetic field theory. An analogy used to try to unify electromagnetism, Light and a few other things I don't remember.


 This is the reason we have strayed so far from the real. We put in place logical fallacies to try to understand them and then they become "LAWS", just like the electron.


 The mechanics of Maxwell's Displacement current are quite boring really and do not describe the mechanics actually but the approximation of the area where it should be happening. So Displacement current is not real it's just a way to see it that is somewhat accurate for the outcome but Does Not describe the actual mechanics in reality.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21147 on: February 20, 2014, 06:15:01 AM »
Hi All,
Why until now no one has successfully built an FE devices small capacity, based on the principle of the Tariel Kapanadze?  :(

There has been a few.  You just have to look for them.  If the main posters on this forum ignore thier post totally, then you know that they are onto something or have possible done just that.  The number one rule for disinformation is to ignore those who are posting the exact things necessary for FE.  Until many others start to pay attention to that persons info.


Anyways, I found this circuit on page 108 of this thread.  I thought it was very interesting and would like to point it out again.  Znel posted his information on an experiment that he had done a few times on a Self Oscillator that ran for 17 Hours.  Here is his circuit and setup and the link to the page.

http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/1605/



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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21148 on: February 20, 2014, 06:46:07 AM »
Hi elementSix,

Thank you

Havuhung

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21149 on: February 20, 2014, 10:00:03 AM »
Additinally I suggest you should focus more on Akula small devices. Strangely nobody tried to replicate them, why? 30W is maybe not big but investigating working principle is precious..

 

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