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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16406458 times)


verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16786 on: April 09, 2013, 10:54:17 AM »
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To shake atoms so they render the energy they contain, you must send via a high !important frequency oscillator (in the order of 173 kHz) a wave that is in resonance with the vibration of the copper electrodes. This is via an  !important]oscillating  magnetic field thanks to the   !important]coil winding  that is connected to the oscillator and that covers the copper. One part of the feed current is used to polarize the metal that restitutes (gives back) up to 30 times the energy consumed by the oscillator.
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It appears that the common points between the Colman patent and that french Michael Meyer patent, are:
1) Copper as the Gain Medium
2) RF stimulation
3) Polarization of the Gain Medium (magnetic or electric)

Note, that the frequency of the RF stimulation in the Meyer patent is ~1800 times lower than the frequency in the Colman patent.
Thus, the Gain Medium in the Mayer device will not experience much of the harmful skin-effect (self-shielding). 
Also, it is interesting to note, that incidentally, an electron is ~1800 times smaller than a proton.

However, if the Gain Medium in the Colman device is made electrically non-conductive, its high resistance will also decrease the bad skin-effect, despite the high RF frequency (>300MHz).

It would be interesting to learn whether the DC resistance of the copper in Colman tube changes after heating.
If the resistance increases, then it would be an indication of chemical surface passivation.

P.S.
Michael Meyer's 1998 czech patent (CZ284333) illustrates yet another method of obtaining energy from transmutation.
In this patent the Gain Medium is an Iron rod and the frequency of RF stimulation is 21MHz.  The Iron rod is magnetically saturated in order to minimize its permeability (contrastingly, copper and zinc in the other patents, already have minimal permeability).


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16788 on: April 09, 2013, 01:31:26 PM »
It appears that the common points between the Colman patent and that french Michael Meyer patent, are:
1) Copper as the Gain Medium
2) RF stimulation
3) Polarization of the Gain Medium (magnetic or electric)

Note, that the frequency of the RF stimulation in the Meyer patent is ~1800 times lower than the frequency in the Colman patent.
Thus, the Gain Medium in the Mayer device will not experience much of the harmful skin-effect (self-shielding). 
Also, it is interesting to note, that incidentally, an electron is ~1800 times smaller than a proton.

However, if the Gain Medium in the Colman device is made electrically non-conductive, its high resistance will also decrease the bad skin-effect, despite the high RF frequency (>300MHz).

It would be interesting to learn whether the DC resistance of the copper in Colman tube changes after heating.
If the resistance increases, then it would be an indication of chemical surface passivation.

P.S.
Michael Meyer's 1998 czech patent (CZ284333) illustrates yet another method of obtaining energy from transmutation.
In this patent the Gain Medium is an Iron rod and the frequency of RF stimulation is 21MHz.  The Iron rod is magnetically saturated in order to minimize its permeability (contrastingly, copper and zinc in the other patents, already have minimal permeability).

Hi Verpies, I would think the 173 kHz of the copper method would be more in the reach of most of us.

Is there any stringent requirements for the experiment except the frequency ? Is a certain type of copper needed or anything ?

Seems like someone should be able to show something if it does work. Any tips for the coil design or how much power should be input ?

I'm not asking for any hard facts, just you're opinion.

I remember reading the document on it before, looks like there is a patent to read.

Cheers

P.S. Is there any translation to English of the French document ? Or am I missing it ? :-[

Or is there a patent for the copper method ?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16789 on: April 09, 2013, 01:56:54 PM »



 Wait is this not what I have been suggesting and TK is doing the whole time? Excitation of the copper to output more then it takes to cause the excitation. The gain medium is the impulse across the gap. The exciter is around a copper coil connected to a load. Wow so now that you have found a French patent that says the same thing you give credence to what I have been saying the whole time and TK has been doing.


 Wow talk about bringing up the same exact method and then saying look what I thought of...

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« Reply #16790 on: April 09, 2013, 02:11:36 PM »
Wait is this not what I have been suggesting and TK is doing the whole time?
No, your take on the operating principle was quite different.

Excitation of the copper to output more then it takes to cause the excitation. The gain medium is the impulse across the gap.
Then decide whether the gain medium is something across the spark gap (impulse discharge) or the copper itself.

The exciter is around a copper coil connected to a load. Wow so now that you have found a French patent that says the same thing you give credence to what I have been saying the whole time and TK has been doing.
You may be talking about a device that is constructed similarly, but you had never written about energy from induced beta decay in copper, zinc or iron. 
You only wrote about energy from vacuum and aether - never about the conversion of matter into energy.

Wow talk about bringing up the same exact method and then saying look what I thought of...
A couple of commonalities in construction does not make it the same exact method of operation.

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« Reply #16791 on: April 09, 2013, 03:58:55 PM »
NMR as a prime candidate for Modus Operandi?

Hi All, I posted this with Energetic Forum, it died a death, what do you think?

"My reason for this post. I first trawled the web to find out the NMR of Fe 56.
This apparently is 3.237778,Mhz but this value is related to magnetic field strength. The field strength being 2.35 Tesla. If one increases the field strength so increases the Resonant frequency.
Looking at it in the other direction, Global magnetic field strength taken as an average is around 50 micro Tesla and at that field strength the NMR of Fe56 is only 68Hz!!!!

With this in mind there is always going to be a shift in field strength due to the alternating nature of the Bias coil. It makes me wonder whether a softly softly approach is the answer?

It may also be the reason why someone quoted the phrase "you find the target, but it moves"

This was a little museing on my part but it might spark an idea, padon the pun!!!

Technical data provided by webelements.com and Geotech-LRLs-info-NMR"

How difficult could it be?, the answer seems like childs play to acheive, especially when you look at the diagrams of Patrick Kelly's E book.
Does the Iron require massive amounts of energy to start emitting beta particles? Or does it just happen once the resonant frequency is found?

What do you think?

Hello to all,

This was a post I made some time ago and from what Verpies replied to, it was considered a "Taboo subject".

Any how Taboo or not NMR would really seem to be the way forward. Take a look at this, I read it some time ago http://tesla3.com/free_websites/zpe_meyer_mace.html

Mr Brown however seems to think there is something wrong with the mathematics.... You decide?

Cheers Grum.

PS. There are a number of elements that share this trait, Copper is another. But Iron with it's great abundance would be a really cheap fuel. Just watch the price rise  :)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16792 on: April 09, 2013, 04:20:36 PM »
Hi Verpies, I would think the 173 kHz of the copper method would be more in the reach of most of us.
Perhaps but low frequencies usually require larger sizes of the Gain Medium.

Is there any stringent requirements for the experiment except the frequency ? Is a certain type of copper needed or anything ?
There are not that many restriction on the composition of the Gain Medium, just improvements to their bulk resistivity and permeability in order to minimize their RF self-shielding by the skin effect. 
Of course not all elements can be stimulated to decay and some will get stimulated better than others.  The best ones are the ones where the initial and final product of beta decay are prohibited by a difference in nuclear angular momentum and parity, such as the decay of 90Sr into 90Y.  The NMR excitation of the nucleus (by an RF EM perpendicular to a polarizing magnetic field) brings the angular momenta of the initial and final isotopes closer together, thus making the beta transitions between them more probable (i.e. faster). 
I strongly recommend reading the Reiss Howard patent EP0099946A1 for a list of materials that can be stimulated by RF to undergo beta decay.

Any tips for the coil design or how much power should be input ?
I think the design of the pick-up coil is not critical, however the gradient of the polarizing magnetic field and appropriate flux density is critical to achieve the proper confinement of beta particles.  Any change in magnetic flux density will immediately affect the frequency of the RF needed for stimulation of the Gain Medium.  Because of this this frequency will be a "moving target" and very hard to hit.  Hitting it reliably will require the generation of many frequencies simultaneously (the gunshot approach) by a short pulse (e.g. quenched spark gap or DSR diode) or better yet, frequency modulation (FM) around the anticipated frequency.  Stimulating power levels around 10s of Watts should be sufficient and I would not be surprised if someone was successful with 1W.
I'm not asking for any hard facts, just you're opinion.
I like to post hard facts on public forums.  For conjecture I will have to PM you.  Check your messages.

P.S. Is there any translation to English of the French document ?
I don't know of any such translations

Or is there a patent for the copper method ?
There is

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« Reply #16793 on: April 09, 2013, 05:14:25 PM »
Mr Brown however seems to think there is something wrong with the mathematics.... You decide?
Mr. Brown is not even wrong ;)
The reason for this is that the average nuclear binding energy is average and does not represent the binding energy of individual nucleons.  Apparently they are not always the same. See this:
Quote from: Wikipedia, Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_binding_energy#Binding_energy_for_atoms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_binding_energy#Binding_energy_for_atoms]
...the listed mass deficits are not a measure for the stability or binding energy of isolated nuclei, but for the whole atoms.
When 56Fe undergoes beta decay to 54Fe, only one neutron gets converted to proton and beta particle and neutrino.
The binding energy of this neutron does not have to be equal to the average binding energy of the nucleons in that atom.

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« Reply #16794 on: April 09, 2013, 06:54:21 PM »
Mr. Brown is not even wrong ;)
The reason for this is that the average nuclear binding energy is average and does not represent the binding energy of individual nucleons.  Apparently they are not always the same. See this:When 56Fe undergoes beta decay to 54Fe, only one neutron gets converted to proton and beta particle and neutrino.
The binding energy of this neutron does not have to be equal to the average binding energy of the nucleons in that atom.

Dear Verpies,

Thank you for your reply. I am but a humble electrical engineer not a Nuclear physicist  :) Could you explain in laymans terms?

Also "Not even wrong" ?? Not right? or Not wrong? Or both??

Cheers Grum.

PS. I shall be the fall guy for everyone!! How will this energy manifest itself? As bursts of EM? I have a Geiger Muller counter but test's that I carried out late last year using HV/HF just fooled the detector into thinking there were Beta particles being emitted!

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« Reply #16795 on: April 09, 2013, 07:45:21 PM »
Dear Verpies,



PS. I shall be the fall guy for everyone!! How will this energy manifest itself? As bursts of EM? I have a Geiger Muller counter but test's that I carried out late last year using HV/HF just fooled the detector into thinking there were Beta particles being emitted!


The easiest way for me( legal statement)  is to
1 switch on power from transmitter
2 switch it off
3 if than  Geiger Counter  shows on the display that it works!!!
The longer the better.



Wesley


PS: I consider Verpies to be the most helpful body in this area.

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« Reply #16796 on: April 09, 2013, 07:49:06 PM »
I am but a humble electrical engineer not a Nuclear physicist  :) Could you explain in layman's terms?
It doesn't get much simpler than that.
A beta decay occurs when one of the unpaired neutrons in the nucleus of the atom transforms into a proton + electron + antineutrino.
(or into a proton + positron + neutrino).
The emitted electron (or positron) moves very quickly (close to speed of light) and has million times more kinetic energy than ordinary conduction electrons in a wire. This kinetic energy comes from the nuclear binding energy of this unpaired neutron.  The emitted electron also carries a negative charge like an ordinary slow electron (the positron carries a positive charge).

Mr Brown did not consider that an individual binding energy of this one unpaired neutron, does not have to be the same as an average energy of all the nucleons in an atom.

How will this energy manifest itself? As bursts of EM?
For coherent beta emission it is a series of very strong and short magnetic pulses @ low PRR, that can be tapped by a simple pick-up coil in the vicinity of the Gain Medium to produce strong pulses of electric current (PDC). 
Also a lot of charge will be produced that will form high voltage DC electrostatic potentials.

For an incoherent beta emission only a lot of charge will be produced that will form high voltage DC electrostatic potentials.   See here.
Geiger counters and photo-films will also be activated.

I have a Geiger Muller counter but test's that I carried out late last year using HV/HF just fooled the detector into thinking there were Beta particles being emitted!
That is an excellent point!
Strong RF can interfere with electronic Geiger counters and give false positive readings.  I warned Wesley about it.
That's why a photo-film is a more reliable radiation indicator.

If the Geiger-Muller tube is shielded with aluminum and the electronic radiation meter still produces positive readings then they can be caused by gamma radiation of RF.
However, if the Geiger-Muller tube is shielded with thick lead and the electronic radiation meter still produces positive readings then they can be caused only by RF.

Temporal correlations between the absence of RF and positive readings also can be used to exclude RF interference with the radiation meter's electronics.  Wesley showed a positive reading after the RF was turned off, thus RF interference was eliminated as the cause. 
I think he called it an "after shock", although I would have liked an "afterglow" better.

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« Reply #16797 on: April 09, 2013, 07:56:47 PM »
Seems that the green box is an aluminium wrapped foil as a cap.
I found this pic in a russian site:

Hello all,

Remember this? One of my former colleague's is Lithuanian and kindly did an interpretation, see attached.

He said that the writing above the coil L1 means something about turning the wire around?? Sorry perhaps not much help but could mean the spacing between. 25 turns on 250 mm?

Cheers Grum.

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« Reply #16798 on: April 09, 2013, 08:15:07 PM »

Also a lot of charge will be produced that will form high voltage DC electrostatic potentials.


Hello Verpies,

Well isn't that statement the clincher? I am sure I saw a video where there was lots of flowing charges leaving a device?

Cheers Grum.

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« Reply #16799 on: April 09, 2013, 08:16:47 PM »
Hello all,

Remember this? One of my former colleague's is Lithuanian and kindly did an interpretation, see attached.

He said that the writing above the coil L1 means something about turning the wire around?? Sorry perhaps not much help but could mean the spacing between. 25 turns on 250 mm?

Cheers Grum.


F ( frequency) 100kHz
LC 160mH
C1 0.1microF
L1  25 micro H
at 250mm  length -  former of coil is occupied to reach desired inductance.( but not stated as if it is  entire length of former)
25 is number of winds


Can someone post original picture of  capacitive coil( coil capacitor) of TK aquarium?

usually that picture was in red color.
can you scan it in edditing program - different color  filters to expose more?
Can you  look at shiny object inside right in the center of it.
Could that be Colman glass tube with  end cup exposed?
that would lead us to where TK  hided  his reactor.( if any)
Could you fallow wiring from that to see more?


Wesley