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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 11834851 times)

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15855 on: February 04, 2013, 10:58:39 PM »

It is interesting that in the GB video, the camera man pans to the welder in the garage.  I believe that it in the 2Kw version also, but I might be mistaken.  He could be using something out of that welder for HV or HF application.

Maybe even using a welding transformer as a source of low voltage / high current carried by the heavy duty thick wires seen in the 'green box' video. Then converted to HV in the device?? At least no risk of electrocution that way having a wire running up the guys sleeve and down his back and wires all over the shop.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15856 on: February 04, 2013, 11:22:34 PM »
Guys,
Sorry, I think you have all taken my post about the 3 phase out of context.
I was simply pointing out that in looking for a way to "cheat" the power meter, I came across that statement about the 2 phase welder.
Sorry if anyone got the wrong idea.
Garry

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15857 on: February 04, 2013, 11:49:09 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsS0BeVeIwM    Karl Palsness AEPC 2009

These 10 videos are mainly on Tesla Hairpin circuit, but they have some good remakes of Tesla HF transformer that is specially made and when powered up it draws large amounts of Ambient Energy to it.  He says that in the dark you can see the wire coil he holds up in the Air, light up a bit and you can see the energy going toward the HF Coil. Watch it and lets try to make this special HF coil..

Which video clip is that in ? I don't have time to watch them all. But going by the description it sounds normal.

I can fire up my Tesla coil with a toroid terminal and when I hold a wire near it or a fluro tube the arcs tend to form from the pointy end of the held wire
or tube and go towards the coils terminal. This is caused by the potential difference and the fact that the charges will not leak from the terminal as easily as from the
pointy wire. Similar to how leaders form from the ground up to initiate lightning. Bottom line is the potential is provided by the transformer and the input from us,
the effect is the result of that.

These are low power low frequency discharges so that I could look closely directly at the arcs.
And the sparking electrode is ground connected or just connected to a metal mass. The moment the bright white sparks are seen is when a conductive path is formed by the
leaders from the ground up. Just as with lightning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpoqUo0Wvoo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ojAlZrUZxE

This one is a 12 volt transformer and the neon is held in my hand the arcs go from the neon to the terminal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uaZubgmnL8

If you suppress the leaks from the Tesla coil terminal and supply a pointed object nearby the pointed object will leak towards the coil.
I can demonstrate this with my larger higher powered transformer but it will take some time to set it up.

It pays to do lots of experiments, make lots of observations and become familiar with resonance either by technical means or by "feel" or a combination of both.
I try not to get to technical, because I like to do things by feel. Therefore my explanations will not be overly technical.

Cheers

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15858 on: February 05, 2013, 01:47:49 AM »
It's a special power supply that has a few options on what your needs are.  They have pretty high current with mid level voltage outputs.  They are usually pulsed systems that have a very fast pulse rate.  The diodes are able to pulse very high currents ranging from like 20 Amps all the way up to hundreds of amps.  The specail thing about them is what we are trying to accomplish.  Using a special pattern of timed interval pulses.   The only way to get the devices we are working on to work right, besides knowing  what to do, is a pulse that can turn on and cut off in a very very short period.  Other than that I don't know much about Laser Drive power supplys or Laser diode drive circuits.  It is interesting none the less. 
In TK's first patent, he changes the frequency of the positive and also used car ignition points on the positive.  The negative went thru a frequency filter, I am guessing to put the phase off before it went to the coil.  If you watch the Transparent Box video with the Red Coil setup, you can hear when he starts the device for the first few mins., it is out of phase and you hear the coils screaming.   

What would happen if you pulsed the positive and put the negative out of phase??  Any takers on that??

FARMHAND, Its the 7th one....

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Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15859 on: February 05, 2013, 04:00:09 AM »
Since I still can't get any useful resonance while experimenting with RU-2386207, I decided to do more reading (instead of watching shaky odd things on YouTube):

The parametric transformer, by Eyup Salih Tez, 1977

Hence does the term »to produce output power« mean what I think it means? So then what could be the problem here?

Wave diagram below: Analysis of the loud humming noise in the TK 2004 Video superimposed with a 50Hz sine wave. The mark »0.100« denotes 1/10 second. This means the humming noise correlates with 50Hz and 100Hz. This is an interesting coincidence given the statement in the doctoral thesis »the inductance of the secondary winding is varied at twice this frequency«.

So I have to keep on reading ... :)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15860 on: February 05, 2013, 05:38:19 AM »
Zeitmaschine
Interesting direction your going,you might check the transparent
box video.Theres a noise when TK starts the device,and also when
an additional load is added.The noise gets less with time,it maybe that
at first the load (lights),loads the device down,then as the device increases its
current output,the noise gets lower.Althu some members believe that its fake
a fake device would not have strange things connected to it,there would be no point
in adding strange things,such as this noise,this is not a Tesla invention.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15861 on: February 05, 2013, 06:02:45 AM »
Check out this little clip.  The guy lights up 2 CFL's, using 1.2amp drawand he's using a relay.  He then takes a neo magnet and puts it close to the relay to make the switch go a lot faster and the Amp draw goes down to 25mA.  He doesn't show the voltage thoe, so we don't know if it goes up.  It is still interesting thoe.  The faster the switch pulses the lower the amp draw.  HUH, neat..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WWgFEETjXI

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15862 on: February 05, 2013, 03:30:53 PM »
The parametric transformer, by Eyup Salih Tez, 1977
Hence does the term »to produce output power« mean what I think it means? So then what could be the problem here?
I kept reading...

This diagram is from page 590... mixing AC with DC... It's very similar to what I'm playing with.

DonL




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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15863 on: February 05, 2013, 05:08:00 PM »
  ElementSix:
  The draw goes down but not to 25mA, but to 250mA, or so. Still good information...


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15864 on: February 05, 2013, 06:00:00 PM »
As a side note: »The original units were incapable of running inductive loads.«

Steven Marks TPU

One more interesting coincidence.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15865 on: February 05, 2013, 07:54:52 PM »
The variable corresponds to the secondary winding of the parametric transformer, the inductance of which is varied periodically in time by the alternating current in the primary winding.
The saturating AC in the primary winding would vary the self-inductance of the primary winding as well.

None of the flux produced be either winding links with the other winding, and there is no mutual coupling whatever the relative directions of the two fluxes.
That is quite a feat.  None of the conventional transformers work that way.  In fact conventional transformers try to maximize mutual flux coupling between the primary and secondary.

This parametric transformer should not be able to transfer any power from the primary to secondary (or induce any emf in the secondary) when used as a conventional transformer. 
In fact such an EMF induction attempt would be a good test to verify that the design is well executed and there is indeed no mutual coupling between the primary and secondary when operating in linear mode (while no saturation effects are present).

Wave diagram below: Analysis of the loud humming noise in the TK 2004 Video superimposed with a 50Hz sine wave. The mark »0.100« denotes 1/10 second. This means the humming noise correlates with 50Hz and 100Hz.
ElementSix already noticed that complex sound here, and I also heard it on the soundtrack of the video that he cited.  This sound definitely contains frequencies well above 50Hz.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15866 on: February 05, 2013, 11:20:05 PM »
This parametric transformer should not be able to transfer any power from the primary to secondary (or induce any emf in the secondary) when used as a conventional transformer.
And maybe that's the trick. Just another coincidence:

No matter what input wave type is, the resonant output is SINUS WAVE

Is that so? :D

The parametric transformer consists obviously of a two-part core like the two-part core of the yoke device. Now my problem is, where can I see a two-part transformer core on the Kapanadze device? Or could there be another way to do this with an ordinary off-the-shelf E-core transformer? (Will keep thinking ...)

If my understanding of this functional principle is correct then the intent of the divided core is to have a loose magnetic coupling between the primary coil and the secondary coil. But it does not really matter how this loose magnetic coupling is achieved (by having a gap between the two half cores or by rotating one half core 90 degrees with respect to the other). So the current supplied to the primary coil is just to excite the secondary coil, which then produces its current (or voltage) by itself from thin air (due to parametric excitation). Now someone try this and report a working OU device.

And furthermore, why is it that the toroidal shape of the yoke device reminds me on the toroidal shape of the Marks device? Don't say that's just another coincidence.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15867 on: February 06, 2013, 12:39:51 AM »
No matter what input wave type is, the resonant output is SINUS WAVE
Is that so? :D
Well, yes except for the temporary/transient states when the device is powering up or pri/sec phase difference is changed rapidly.

This is because in this type of transformer, the current in the primary does not induce any EMF (voltage) directly and consequently no current in the secondary.  Because of this, it is a very bad conventional transformer.  It should not transfer any power in the linear range of the BH curve.

The oscillations in the secondary LC circuit are due to parametric excitation (periodically varying the inductance of the secondary).  Also a parametric damping is possible in this secondary LC circuit, depending on phase difference between the primary and secondary current. 
Curiously, in this type of transformer the nature tries to keep this phase difference at -90º or +270º where maximum excitation occurs. The only deviation from this is temporary, thus parametric damping is also temporary.

There is a delay of many cycles in response between the primary current and secondary current, thus the output is largely immune to input transients and off-resonance harmonics.

If my understanding of this functional principle is correct then the intent of the divided core is to have a loose magnetic coupling between the primary coil and the secondary coil.
Not quite. The reluctance of the flux paths must be low to reach the non-linear region of the core's BH characteristic (see Hopkinson's Law for magnetic circuits) in order to cause the resulting permeability/reluctance/inductance modulation.
Achieving loose coupling merely by high reluctance of air gaps defeats this purpose.

IMO the mutual inductance between pri/sec of the parametric transformer should be zero while keeping the reluctance of the two flux paths as low as possible.
This might sound like a contradiction at first, but upon deeper consideration it becomes obvious that this possible by orthogonal positioning of the two flux paths or establishing only a small common volume of the core where the pri/sec flux meet and crossmodulate, while disallowing the primary flux from ever reaching the secondary winding (and vice versa). The orthogonal double C geometry cleverly incorporates both of these techniques.

But it does not really matter how this loose magnetic coupling is achieved (by having a gap between the two half cores or by rotating one half core 90 degrees with respect to the other).
In light of what I wrote above it matters very much.
Loose coupling itself is not the ultimate goal. Min mutual inductance and max reluctance modulation, is.

So the current supplied to the primary coil is just to excite the secondary coil, which then produces its current (or voltage)
Be careful with the wording here, because the above sounds like a description of a conventional transformer, which I'm sure you have not intended.
CONVENTIONAL TRANSFORMER:
varying primary current -> varying pri & sec flux -> EMF in secondary -> secondary current -> tapping all of the secondary current by the load.
PARAMETRIC TRANSFORMER:
varying primary current  -> varying primary flux -> crossmodulation in common core volume -> varying secondary permeability/reluctance/inductance -> parametric excitation or damping in secondary LC tank -> diversion of some of the secondary LC tank's current into a load.

...by itself from thin air (due to parametric excitation).
The author of this paper does not admit that varying the permeability/reluctance/inductance of the secondary circuit does not require any power delivery from the primary or that it requires less power than power tapped from the secondary LC tank.

In fact the author rightly notices that the parametric transformer also works in the reverse.
Quote from: Page_76
As the symmetry of the core implies, the dependence of the primary reluctance on the secondary flux is assumed to have the same form
Quote from: Page_77
The initial oscillations in the secondary circuit create variations in the primary reluctance, the phase of these ensuring that maximum energy is drawn from the primary flux, and thus from the primary voltage supply, the energy being absorbed by the primary reluctance variations.
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And furthermore, why is it that the toroidal shape of the yoke device reminds me on the toroidal shape of the Marks device? Don't say that's just another coincidence.
Toroidal shape is not a coincidence. It is the most efficient shape for magnetic flux.  It "likes" to form closed circles...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15868 on: February 06, 2013, 01:50:21 AM »
The author of this paper does not admit that varying the permeability/reluctance/inductance of the secondary circuit does not require any power delivery from the primary or that it requires less power than power tapped from the secondary LC tank.

In fact the author rightly notices that the parametric transformer also works in the reverse.
But »unfortunately« this has been proven to be wrong by the working yoke device, which is -according to the diagrams- essentially based on the same parametric principle.

Or has anyone any idea why the web page of the yoke device has been removed (404) if not because this device actually worked?

BTW: It would be a bad idea to write about free energy in a doctoral thesis, wouldn't it? ::)

Toroidal shape is not a coincidence. It is the most efficient shape for magnetic flux.  It "likes" to form closed circles...
Maybe it likes even more to form unclosed circles. This means it is also an efficient shape to cut the magnetic flux by a gap.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15869 on: February 06, 2013, 02:25:37 AM »
BTW: It would be a bad idea to write about free energy in a doctoral thesis, wouldn't it? ::)
Oh, it would be an academic suicide!

However, he is correct that the Parametric Transformer with a symmetrical core, works in reverse equally well as forward.
However, there is no unbreakable rule, that it must work symmetrically like that, ...besides energy conservation.

If it is possible to prevent the secondary flux from affecting the reluctance of the primary flux path, but not vice versa, then it would be a hit.

 

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