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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13862247 times)

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« Reply #15165 on: December 02, 2012, 12:35:43 PM »
Perhaps because it is obvious, that the avalanche multiplication of relativistic electrons (or positrons) requires nuclear reactions in which one beta particle causes the release of at least two beta particles.

...and such multiplying beta nuclear reactions do not exist, do they ?

Without them, the number of released betas cannot grow in McFreey 's  scheme :( .

???
So, how you explain electrons multiplication during Townsend discharge? It is electrons avalanche reaction. Simple spark discharge.
On the beginning you have a few electrons, at the end electrons constitute current in kA range.
I call it "electron chain reaction", similarily to nuclear chain reaction.
This is a OU right in front of our noses.
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« Reply #15166 on: December 02, 2012, 02:23:12 PM »
Electrons multiplication ... hmmm

Thing are not as easy as you think....

Let's read

Here what Tesla said about quenched spark gap and Wein theories.

"Figure 32.
Quenched spark gap. (Tesla at that time pointed out the future of quenching and showed that oscillations can be maintained without a spark being visible to the naked eye between the knobs.) Illustrated in T.C. Martin book, Figs. 135 and 136, p. 211.
 
 
 
     This [Fig. 32] is another improvement in that particular device, which was the weakness of the invention and which I tried to eliminate.  This device incorporated many spark gaps in series.  It had a peculiar feature; namely, through the great number of gaps, I was able, as I have pointed out in my writings, to produce oscillations without even a spark being visible between the knobs.  This device is now known in the art as the "quenched spark gap." Professor Wein has formulated a beautiful theory about it, which I understand has netted him the Nobel prize.  Wein's theories are admirable.  The only trouble is that he has overlooked one very important fact.  It is this: If the apparatus is properly designed and operated, there is no use for the quenched gap, for the oscillations are continuous anyway.
" [Source : http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm]

but Wilhem Wien was known by his work on heat and radiation. First we see that Tesla state spark gap was used ONLY to make oscilations continous, he didn't declined Wein theories, but simpy stated it was not related to optimal work of his (Tesla) device.

Second what we can read about Wein is also a big surprise !

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1911/wien.html

"In 1898 Wien studied the canal rays discovered by Goldstein and concluded that they were the positive equivalent of the negatively-charged cathode rays. He measured their deviation by magnetic and electric fields and concluded that they are composed of positively-charged particles never heavier than electrons."  (is that mistake in text?)

"In 1900 Wien published a theoretical paper on the possibility of an electromagnetic basis for mechanics. Subsequently he did further work on the canal rays, showing, in 1912, that, if the pressure is not extremely weak, these rays lose and regain, by collision with atoms of residual gas, their electric charge along their course of travel. "

Whoa! I can't be protons or he wrongly measured their weight ?  What is looks like is exactly radiant rays as described in Tesla radiant energy receiver patent.

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« Reply #15167 on: December 02, 2012, 02:47:53 PM »
Hi forest,
I know Tesla was about oscillations. But what I am talking about is multiplication phenomena occuring during simple electrical discharge.It is a fact, that during spark discharge we gain electrons in avalanche process. Nuclear chain reaction is the sane but with neutrons.Spark discharge is "electrons chain reaction". One electron  liberated from  cathode metal  becomes ballistic (or relativistic ) in electric field and during acceleration toward anode liberates many other electrons.
It is current amplifier. End of the discharge contain electrons in kA range. Imagine picking up  B field from that discharge, or sending it through the coil. For me- this is a OU.
All what we need is a tiny HV capacitor, charged , just to start this multiplying event.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townsend_discharge
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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« Reply #15168 on: December 02, 2012, 03:02:21 PM »
Pix

Are you sure energy is added to circuit from avalanche electrons ? I think it is radiated from spark gap

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« Reply #15169 on: December 02, 2012, 03:08:22 PM »
Pix

Are you sure energy is added to circuit from avalanche electrons ? I think it is radiated from spark gap
Shield and tap this radiation. By simple use of CT ,B-field from avalanche current could be tapped. Also, avalanche electrons go to the load, for example coil.
This is an example:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2011/0188278.html
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« Reply #15170 on: December 02, 2012, 03:14:55 PM »
If that was that simple then you would get Kilowatts of power by simply wrapping a coil around a plasma globe or any spark gap.
There is tons of open source experiments with plasma globes and none was seeing overunity or at least has not been able to trap it into
a conductor to make use of it.


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« Reply #15171 on: December 02, 2012, 03:18:15 PM »
If that was that simple then you would get Kilowatts of power by simply wrapping a coil around a plasma globe or any spark gap.
There is tons of open source experiments with plasma globes and none was seeing overunity or at least has not been able to trap it into
a conductor to make use of it.
Wrapping not a coil, but CT.
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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« Reply #15172 on: December 02, 2012, 03:58:59 PM »
the positive high voltage peak will attract electrons from ground whereas the negative high voltage peak should return the electrons to the ground.
But electrons are not energy. Electric charge is not energy.
This is also what I tried to explain about the Kornelson's transformer principle.

So isn't this in essence that what the TK device does? Namely make electrons oscillate in a ground connection?
I have no idea what TK's device does.  I didn't even see a single oscillogram or energy measurement from it.

Looks quite complicated. What would Tesla say to MOSFET, IGBT, GaAs BJT, DSR diodes etc. ?? ::)
Any detailed explanation looks complicated at first sight.
Ancient scientists had only spark gaps and mechanical switches and saturable magnetics as active elements.  They were slow.
Vacuum tubes were an improvement, later.

Apropos: The page count is 60 and still no working Dally replica? How could this be?
That's just a result of meticulous experimenting.  That ratio of experiment to conjecture in that thread is much higher than in this one.

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« Reply #15173 on: December 02, 2012, 04:16:26 PM »
So you are saying that you attribute the fact that a TV flyback outputs high voltage to the slope of the signal rather than to the high winding ratio ?
Yes, "TV Flyback" is not a true transformer, therefore its turn ratio does not apply.

The currents in primary and secondary of the "TV Flyback" do not flow at the same time as in a true transformer.
The "TV Flyback" works in a unipolar mode and the diode in series with the secondary winding prevents any flow of current in this winding, while current increases in the primary.

Without the diode at the secondary, the "TV flyback" works as an ordinary loosely-coupled transformer and turn ratio applies, but this device does not work in that mode in TV sets.

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« Reply #15174 on: December 02, 2012, 05:03:30 PM »
Yes, "TV Flyback" is not a true transformer, therefore its turn ratio does not apply.

The currents in primary and secondary of the "TV Flyback" do not flow at the same time as in a true transformer.
The "TV Flyback" works in a unipolar mode and the diode in series with the secondary winding prevents the flow of any current in it, when the current increases in the primary.

Without the diode at the secondary, the "TV flyback" works as an ordinary loosely-coupled transformer and turn ratio applies, but this device does not work in that mode in TV sets.

I was thinking of the old-style TV transformers, but you are right the more modern ones do contain rectifiers.
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« Reply #15175 on: December 02, 2012, 06:52:44 PM »
     Once a spark gap arcs over your done as far as energy collection.  You are simply going to discharge your supply capacitor and radiate a bunch of rf-hf-uv etc.  The spark current will fluctutate as plasma is formed due to the voltage drop across the gap-becomes conductive- decreases the voltage drop- conducts-cools-voltage drop increases-becomes conductive-cools-etc. repeated at all sorts of frequencies.  Tesla worked years on getting nasty spark gaps used by radio telegraphy for ship to shore communications cleaned up.  (I think this tale about hertz discovering rf transmission is bs.  Telegraph operators working for ma bell would use high impedance relay coils at repeater stations.  Multispectrum rf from worn out relay contacts would fly all around the repeater shacks and crosstalk with unactuated relays.  This nusance activation was explored and antennae developed with trial an error capacitance to form the first wireless telegraphy.  They had no idea about oscillations and tuning etc.  That was Tesla's domain.  He gave us channels which allowed multiple users to send morse code simultaneously instead of waiting for someone to shut-up before the next user communicated.)  The original wireless was actually using rlc oscillators where resistance is modified by the spark gap activity at the high frequencies needed to transmit small enough waves to keep antennae to reasonable sizes.  The entire polarization about the field of the antennae is neglected and the transverse fields generated due to the currents flowing within the antennae mass used.  We still use this stupid transmission process.  We put sharp pointed conductors way up in the air and transmit the current produced between node and antinode as the transients move from oscillator to antennae.  Telsa's magnifying transmitter was oscillator and antennae and power supply all rolled up into one.  The entire charge state of the radiator conveying information.  In a sense this was not wireless communication it was one wire.  The entire Earth was going to get pumped.  Tesla was amazed at the very small amount of charge the Earth would absorb before it's permittivity was maxed.  I think it's in the microfarads or something.  Everyone looks at the dome and thinks this is where the radiation would come from.  No it's in the ground radiator he spent most of JPMorgans money on.  The ground was going to radiate the collector collect.  Large amounts of coronal uptake from beta radiation beating the krap out of his sky node was going to power that beast.  I would have loved to have seen that baby outlined with St. Elmos fire while Marconi was out on Cape Cod putting up sky antennaes to get a couple of microwatts across the ocean. 
 
   Veripies is right to the extent that electrons are not energy nor is charge.  Electrons in motion are not even energy.  Electromagnetic waves are energy though.  When an electron changes it's velocity or vector it produces a photon.  This photon has a direct relationship to the change in either mass velocity or vector of the electron.  An electron bound to a neuclide has certain inertial parameters.  It's mass-velocity-and vector  are pretty much stable.  A photon can disrupt the columb force binding an electron to an atom.  A photon can carry an electric field that not only disupts the columb force but also accelerates the unbound electron.  This is why the wavelength of the photon not the number of photons is responsible for the amount of potential energy an unbound electron carries.  The incident photon can cause a cascade event as the initial electron brakes in either an inelastic collision with other bound electrons or becomes subject to an external magnetic field.  In either case the created photons result in large magnitudes of accelerated electrons from one incidental ionization of one single atom.  If the electrons in question were motionless massless particles this would be impossible.  Electrons do have mass-they do have motion-and they do have direction.  Energy is simply exchange of inertia between matter.  So if you're looking for a free energy scource outside of messing around with mass to energy conversion I would start with the mass-velocity-and orbital momentum of the bound electron as a potential scource.
 
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« Reply #15176 on: December 02, 2012, 08:41:17 PM »
Perhaps because it is obvious, that the avalanche multiplication of relativistic electrons (or positrons) requires nuclear reactions in which one beta particle causes the release of at least two beta particles.

...and such multiplying beta nuclear reactions do not exist, do they ?

Without them, the number of released betas cannot grow in McFreey 's  scheme :( .
"...The important requirement is that whenever the particle is absorbed, on average, it triggers the emission of more than one particle..." (W.J.McFreey)
Since you claim that this is impossible, I would leave it up to you to prove it  :) .
On the other hand, Kapanadze, Mark and others showed that this is possible.
P.S.
I hope you also noticed that creation of energy from nothing is impossible.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15177 on: December 02, 2012, 09:30:40 PM »
"...The important requirement is that whenever the particle is absorbed, on average, it triggers the emission of more than one particle..." (W.J.McFreey)
I'm glad, that I am not the only one who has noticed that.

Since you claim that this is impossible, I would leave it up to you to prove it  :)
I have never encountered such a multiplying beta nuclear reaction, thus I am proposing that it does not exist.
It is impossible to prove or disprove an existential negative because absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Because of the above I am afraid that the burden of proof that such beta reactions exists, rests on you :(

On the other hand, Kapanadze, Mark and others showed that this is possible.
Unfortunately there is no proof that those devices operate via multiplying beta reactions.
Of course, it is not your fault that the inventors did not provide conclusive scientific evidence. (e.g. darkening of a photo film, cloud chamber tracks, Penning trap measurements... or even scopeshots) for the emission of beta particles, from the perimeter of the disks (gain media).
I am not rejecting the possibility offhand, though.  That's why I am discussing it here.
If those reactions do happen, then they must have been observed by other scientists during the myriad of nuclear experiments that have been made during the last century.

I hope you also noticed that creation of energy from nothing is impossible.
I'd accept that the energy comes from something we don't know/understand, before I'd accept that it comes from nothing.
An idea that energy comes from some new application of known conversion process is even more appealing.

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« Reply #15178 on: December 02, 2012, 09:42:33 PM »
I'm glad, that I am not the only one who has noticed that.
I have never encountered such a multiplying beta nuclear reaction, thus I am proposing that it does not exist.
It is impossible to prove or disprove an existential negative because absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Because of the above I am afraid that the burden of proof that such beta reactions exists, rests on you :(
Unfortunately there is no proof that those devices operate via multiplying beta reactions.
Of course, it is not your fault that the inventors did not provide conclusive scientific evidence. (e.g. darkening of a photo film, cloud chamber tracks, Penning trap measurements... or even scopeshots) for the emission of beta particles, from the perimeter of the disks (gain media).
I am not rejecting the possibility offhand, though.  That's why I am discussing it here.
If those reactions do happen, then they must have been observed by other scientists during the myriad of nuclear experiments that have been made during the last century.
I'd accept that the energy comes from something we don't know/understand, before I'd accept that it comes from nothing.
An idea that energy comes from some new application of known conversion process is even more appealing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPZ5aodHYmo
as well one shouting "тупые америкосы" ;D
« Last Edit: December 02, 2012, 11:36:46 PM by x_name41 »

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« Reply #15179 on: December 02, 2012, 11:52:41 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPZ5aodHYmo
as well one shouting "тупые америкосы" ;D
Not that I am an American born, but...
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