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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 12592052 times)

Offline jbignes5

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14190 on: September 29, 2012, 12:54:38 AM »
There is one problem, I can't see an E-core divided with a dielectric split in the image of the green transformer. This green transformer looks pristine to me.

But what I can see is, the alligator clamps and wires are fitted with red and blue markings. Why?

Is this not AC but DC, therefore the polarity does matter? It can't be smooth DC either, because it is connected in series with capacitors. So as it seems the output of this Melnichenko inverter is pulsed DC or AC with DC bias. Thus the question is, a) what waveform has the blue Kapanadze inverter, and b) what could be the difference if a transformer runs with pulsed DC (full-wave rectification) instead of AC?


 I don't think he used the whole system of that guys. He only used the transformer idea to separate the input from the output. In the yard version of the video he shows the transformer ans the diode bridge were in one package and only added when he wanted to self run the whole device. It was the isolation idea that he used. I don't think this other guy reall contributed much to the whole device. only the ability to loop the generated power back into the inverter so they could remove the battery.


 The really big part is what was in the can. One thing is for sure it needs shielding from the coils. This was evident by them saying the voltmeters were being effected in the yard version of the videos. My bet is it is a pancake coil in oil. The transistors drive the pancake coil and if you look a very high voltage wire light blue comes out of the green box to feed the spark then larger outer coil of the coil pair.


 I was mistaken in my thoughts that there were 3 coils it seems. The ground wire goes through the two coils and acts like a ground plane channel for the field the large copper pipe coil emits. Which by the way the field goes through the load coil on the way to the ground plane channel. It seems to me that this is the proverbial create a container below water and allow the energy to flow into the channel. The water in this case is the electric field and the free charges in the environment flow twords this channel via the electric field. As they flow twords the channel they impart part of their charge.


 Well thats as much as I can figure at this point.


 Having a translation of the backyard presentation definitely explains tons.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14191 on: September 29, 2012, 01:54:24 AM »
Hi Zeitmaschine, There can be a difference between active and neutral wires in an AC output,
if the neutral is connected to ground as it is here (Australia) then the difference is very important.
The positive 12 volts of a battery can be made the same as "ground" as well, then the negative is - 12 volts not 0 volts.
It depends on the reference.

With an AC system with a grounded neutral, the neutral is always held to the same potential as the ground.
Theoretically it is safe to touch a grounded neutral wire and the ground though I wouldn't do that in case of a fault,
but if the active is touched and the body is grounded, bye bye fried human.
Many things can be done in a custom system. A piece of red and blue tape on the output wires means nothing unless you know what it represents.
To find out what the red and blue marking represent you would need to ask the person who did it and get an honest answer or reverse engineer the system
personally first hand. The blue and red markings on the AC output of a transformer most likely represent neutral and active, but it could represent a "tap" and neutral
or a tap and active or whatever else is possible.

Cheers

There is one problem, I can't see an E-core divided with a dielectric split in the image of the green transformer. This green transformer looks pristine to me.

But what I can see is, the alligator clamps and wires are fitted with red and blue markings. Why?

Is this not AC but DC, therefore the polarity does matter? It can't be smooth DC either, because it is connected in series with capacitors. So as it seems the output of this Melnichenko inverter is pulsed DC or AC with DC bias. Thus the question is, a) what waveform has the blue Kapanadze inverter, and b) what could be the difference if a transformer runs with pulsed DC (full-wave rectification) instead of AC?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14192 on: September 29, 2012, 02:45:31 AM »
what is the cause of saturation of core anyway ? Rised voltage ?  :o

Saturation is a magnetic phenomenon, and besides the core properties, the magnetic flux is dependent only on instantaneous current and turn count.
An the molecular level saturation of the core is caused by all of the domains aligning in one direction. Once the align that way, they cannot align any more.
Saturation decreases the differential permeability but does not decrease the absolute permeability.

What causes current? Mr Ohm wrote that it's the voltage (e.g. EMF) and resistance, like this: I=V/R

Now, for variety, here is an easy question: What happens if a transformer's core is near saturation so the magnetic flux can just travel from the primary to the secondary coil, but the magnetic flux created by the current in the secondary coil saturates the core completely so the magnetic flux cannot travel back from the secondary to the primary coil? And wouldn't the easiest way to create such a saturation be a magnetic field generated by a superimposed (bias) DC voltage?

Just wondering ...  ???

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14192 on: September 29, 2012, 02:45:31 AM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14193 on: September 29, 2012, 08:26:34 AM »
.......

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@jbignes5, I guess @Zeitmaschine refers into different topic: you refer to a Kapanadze video while he mentions this Melnichenko video (see it at about 1:05):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-BY0kUEmis&feature=related

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14194 on: September 29, 2012, 08:40:05 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYwTVN4orqw&feature=related

It is not the principle which used Kapanadze
Melnichenko said about the series resonance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-BY0kUEmis&feature=related
Fan is used here as an inductance in series LC resonance circuit

Unknown detail is  a Soviet capacitor МГБО

In the second scheme in this video Melnichenko had to be replaced in the resonant circuit capacitor to achieve the resonance as he powered the motor through transformer which have another inductive

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14195 on: September 29, 2012, 10:27:22 AM »
or may be so
two-step increase

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14196 on: September 29, 2012, 11:11:50 AM »
To find out  how it works is necessary translate the video below.the key is in the CAN !!!! toroidal transformer??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r99g4mjEvTE

We are getting closer to solving the problem..

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14197 on: September 29, 2012, 11:49:47 AM »
an experiment

U1=227 V
U2=11.1 V
U3=35.5 V
U4=46.2 V
current in the circuit L2-C-L3 is the same

The circuit is not yet at the exact resonance but the reactive power in the coil L3 is 3 times more than the active power consumed from the coil L2!!!


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14198 on: September 29, 2012, 01:40:16 PM »
Unknown detail is a Soviet capacitor МГБО

Another capacitor? That's awesome! Then obviously all what is needed to get a running electric Free Energy device is a couple of capacitors and a couple of coils/transformers driven by AC voltage. The AC voltage can be ordinary 220V/50Hz as proven by Kapanadze and his blue inverter.

So then, why can't anyone get this to work?? >:( ???

Regards

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14199 on: September 29, 2012, 02:24:24 PM »
I think that everyone needs to read about the series resonant circuit so that to understand how it works!!!
Since Kapanadze is an architector and   Melnichenko is technician, their devices need to work on simple principles.

resonant frequency is calculated by the formula
fr = 1 / 2*3.14(LC)^0.5

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14200 on: September 29, 2012, 02:43:29 PM »
What happens if a transformer's core is near saturation so the magnetic flux can just travel from the primary to the secondary coil, but the magnetic flux created by the current in the secondary coil saturates the core completely.
Mr Lenz wrote that the current in a secondary will generate an opposing flux that will maintain the existing flux level created by the primary. Thus the flux created by the secondary will not add to the existing flux - it will oppose it.  However increasing the current in the primary, will saturate the core eventually. Such saturation will decrease core's differential permeability.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14201 on: September 29, 2012, 02:51:06 PM »
The AC voltage can be ordinary 220V/50Hz

I agree with you

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14202 on: September 29, 2012, 03:45:43 PM »
I agree with you


 Not only agree but it was done by TK. Both battery and wall power was used in the second video in the house. Even though the sparking effect was less with wall power it still worked.


 When I read up on this Physics of the fuelless generator I was so intrigued when I got to the part of the header of displacement current. It talks about the Tesla pancake coil and how it is much like the fuelless air condenser that tesla made. The bifilar design really struck a cord. This is sort of the same way the bifilar coil works if setup and used properly. The coil can and will act like a capacitor. It's ability to oscillate is greatly enhanced by the inherent capacity in the bifilar winds. This negates the reactive portion of the coil and allows for acceleration of the current entering the coil. This acceleration has the same effect as changing the gauge of a hose. The current lowers and the voltage potential rises.

 One clue to how important the pancake coil is to the methods of Tesla is this picture.

 So getting back to the idea of the underwater container idea we are left with the impression that he indeed was able to create a huge pressure field(electric field) and the stuff he was letting in was what had been pulled into this electric field (Free charges). Now all he needed was a way to drain those charges away from that field or create a sink (ground) for the charges to flow into. This was exactly what Tesla did in every experiment with wireless power. As long as he was in the field any time he made a path to ground with a device attached the free charges flowed through the device powering it as it sank the free charges in that field into the ground.

 Once Tk got this method down he started to figure out other ways to create sinks or voids of charges and how to allow the free charges in the field he was creating to flow into that sink and generate free energy from that movement.

 As I was reading it looks like others have figured this out long ago.

 http://www.scribd.com/doc/78882094/Tesla-Sekrety
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14203 on: September 29, 2012, 08:14:34 PM »
@Zeitmaschine

I think I figured out where some of the confusion is coming from about the heat sink component. In the 2004 the component is not the same as in the Green Box.

Also, in the 2004 video I have seen the third wire although very difficultly but there is no other reason for that white wire but to be the ground. We cannot see better but the ground wire from the furthest heat sink goes to the nearest heat sink then a black wire goes inside the tin can.

But here are two images. One of 2004 transistor very poor quality but just look at the size and compare it to other image of Greenbox transistor size. Seems like the 2004 is using TO-3 with thin wires and the Greenbox is using TO-66 with thicker wires.

They probably blew the 2004 components and replaced them in the Green Box one.

About the 2004.

The diode plate is receiving AC that is rectified to create a DC biasing inside the main transformer that is creating an amplified effect on the AC5 line and this loop is created to draw output. The AC10 line that comes from the tin can to the rectifier is probably in parallel with the load.

The 2004 load has to be perfectly matched to the output to not take too much juice but just enough and leave some juice to drive the diode plate back to feed. If the load is too small, the transistors will heat up because the AC10 line is getting the remaining juice pushed through the diode plate. If the load is to big, the diode plate will not receive enough juice to cause adequate recoil and the transistors will run very cool (if at all). When the load is just right the transistor will run normally hot but output and recoil will be strong and steady.

So I think the AC10 line feeding the rectifier is connected in parallel to the load and this makes the device more of a self-regulating device where the recoil is a percentage of the load. Increased load decreases recoil and decreased load increases recoil. So you have to find the right load for each device. Too much load during experiments and you may never see the effect. You are better off starting with a small load and if transistors heat up too much, then increase load. It's working intuitively backwards fro conventional more load more heat designs.

The main question is about the two transistors. Where in the circuit should they go if you have AC feed. That capacitor we see in the 2004 video is way to big to act on a transistor base for a certain pulse frequency. Is it possible that the AC feed supplies the bases itself via a few resistors (to lower the feed to base versus feed throughput) is driving the transistor base at 60Hz and the feed throughput enters the tin can then goes through each transistor then to the diode plate parallel to load? These are going to have to be tested to find out.

OK, enough is enough. I have had it with looking at these vids. Now its time to experiment. I concede the heat sinks hold transistors and their sizes differ and that is why I was having a hard time reconciling them as a three wire device.

I would like to thank you for your kind persistence and trust we will learn more avenues as time goes on.

wattsup


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14204 on: September 29, 2012, 09:25:21 PM »
wattsup

I agree with statement there are  transistors there and collector is probably on heatsinks. Can you draw again your schematic with corrections ?

 

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