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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13185043 times)

Offline wattsup

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11280 on: April 04, 2012, 02:44:25 PM »
@All

Very interesting stuff guys. That is one hell of a flyback shown on the FreeEnergy site.

For those regarding the TBC-110 manufacturing, I have been talking with Bob for the last week. I provided complete build specs for what I am calling each of the two models.

TBC-110-OU (OU for overuntiy - hic.hic)
TBC-110-OU-DR (DR for Dual Reverse)

Basically they are charging a $1000 first time set-up charge for the first unit TBC-110-OU which is like the standard TBC model of Lithuania. I asked for the HV coils to be vacuum silicone sealed so it can be dissected if need be. The other option was vacuum epoxy sealed for once we know the flyback works.

I figure this is a small price to pay to have a flyback makers attention. Once that first start-up is done and we are talking the same language and things are starting to get done, this is worth gold to any OUer. (like me he-he).

Afterwards, for following units he says would be in the $350 range each.

I figure that any flyback in the TBC type, first if you can find one and second if brand new would cost around $250-$300 each easy. If you can find it on e-bay maybe $60-$150 used. So Bobs price is well in the ballpark. If not only the materials but the labor work is enough to warrant it. From that point level to then making these flybacks in an automated fabrication would required higher quantities only if any such device became viable for mass replications. We ain't there yet. lol

Bob says let's start with the TBC-110-OU standard unit that is used by the WNYg guys and it is an easier HV wind of 1100 turns going one way. The UU-60 core is rather big and can handle up to 500 watts so there should be no problem with the core.

About the TBC-110-OU-DR.......

The problem for the OU-DR unit HV side having dual reverse HV coils with one each open ended wire embedded inside the coil, will be harder to do. At 30kv isolation, there will be about 1/4" or more of dielectric matter between the CW and CCW winds.

Anyways, now that Bob knows exactly what is required he will be firming up his price and get back to me shortly. My mouth is just watering thinking about having one of these flybacks on my workbench. If there is anyone else interested in the first units, just send me a PM. You have to calculate unit purchase, transport and your particular duty situation although it would be easy to mark on the device (Sample - No Commercial Value) since this is not for resale and used purely for R&D.

wattsup


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11281 on: April 04, 2012, 06:25:13 PM »
Why did this thread abandon the working Yoke device and is wasting time on non-working sparklers, while so many questions about the Yoke device still have not been answered ?

It used to be the #1 thread on this forum when the Yoke device was being discussed.  Now it is #9 and has less and less posts every day - an apparent deterioration.


P.S.
The "headache" and SG 2MHz limit seem to be far fatched reasons for abandoning a working OU device.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11282 on: April 04, 2012, 06:28:34 PM »
@All

Very interesting stuff guys. That is one hell of a flyback shown on the FreeEnergy site.

For those regarding the TBC-110 manufacturing, I have been talking with Bob for the last week. I provided complete build specs for what I am calling each of the two models.

TBC-110-OU (OU for overuntiy - hic.hic)
TBC-110-OU-DR (DR for Dual Reverse)

Basically they are charging a $1000 first time set-up charge for the first unit TBC-110-OU which is like the standard TBC model of Lithuania. I asked for the HV coils to be vacuum silicone sealed so it can be dissected if need be. The other option was vacuum epoxy sealed for once we know the flyback works.

I figure this is a small price to pay to have a flyback makers attention. Once that first start-up is done and we are talking the same language and things are starting to get done, this is worth gold to any OUer. (like me he-he).

Afterwards, for following units he says would be in the $350 range each.

I figure that any flyback in the TBC type, first if you can find one and second if brand new would cost around $250-$300 each easy. If you can find it on e-bay maybe $60-$150 used. So Bobs price is well in the ballpark. If not only the materials but the labor work is enough to warrant it. From that point level to then making these flybacks in an automated fabrication would required higher quantities only if any such device became viable for mass replications. We ain't there yet. lol

Bob says let's start with the TBC-110-OU standard unit that is used by the WNYg guys and it is an easier HV wind of 1100 turns going one way. The UU-60 core is rather big and can handle up to 500 watts so there should be no problem with the core.

About the TBC-110-OU-DR.......

The problem for the OU-DR unit HV side having dual reverse HV coils with one each open ended wire embedded inside the coil, will be harder to do. At 30kv isolation, there will be about 1/4" or more of dielectric matter between the CW and CCW winds.

Anyways, now that Bob knows exactly what is required he will be firming up his price and get back to me shortly. My mouth is just watering thinking about having one of these flybacks on my workbench. If there is anyone else interested in the first units, just send me a PM. You have to calculate unit purchase, transport and your particular duty situation although it would be easy to mark on the device (Sample - No Commercial Value) since this is not for resale and used purely for R&D.

wattsup


You are good man and your action is very much appreciated.
I was thinking.....
Brand new Chinese computerized CNC winder
http://www.ebay.com/itm/computer-cnc-automatic-coils-winder-winding-machine-US1-/170709522628?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27bf1498c4#ht_2956wt_901



US $1,218.00



wattsup


The cost of first payment to manufacturer is almost cost of the winder.
If manufacturer wants to make money than let him eat the expenses he is going to sale at least 1000 of this transformers.


Ferrite core from USA will be approx $20 per piece. if you buy it.
but if manufacturer  buys it it will cost him $5 per  piece.
 if than he will want to sale it for 250 per item than his profit will be around $230 ( that $20 of manufacturer cost is $5 ferrite+$5 transformer former+ wire)
Labor?
Well labor  payment is taken from his profit....
So how much labor?
$15 per hour  for lady operating  winder.
With very primitive winder it takes  5 transformers per hour
so is $3 per piece.
OK he is going to lose $3 for his labor from his profit.

Used original transformer  could be purchased for $80 max.
So if  manufacturer want to make no investment than  let him eat his S...


I understand clean $100 profit as reasonable one.
For label "made in USA"
x1000pieces= $100 000 .....wow that is not bad for manufacturer to take risk and initial expenses  on his own.


200h=1000 transformers
200x$15=$3000 labor per  1000 pieces.
=25 days (8h per day) on one machine.
Approx: 3000+2000( material)= $5000 total cost.




Profit if sold  $120 per transformer is =$100 000
- expenses for his after business hour activity :)
So guys who what to make  100k for less than month? ??? ??? ???


Wesley.
If it is me  that is what I would do or  buy the winder and try to find some  wire to wind it for myself.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11283 on: April 04, 2012, 06:54:17 PM »
Wesley.
"If it is me  that is what I would do  or  buy the winder and try to find some  wire to wind it for myself."

My thoughts exactly.

Having said that, I do own a cnc router with 4Th axis drive, recently build the coil wire dispenser for it and right now I'm experimenting with it. Thinking about winding flyback coil myself if my setup and gcode programing workout... ;)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11284 on: April 04, 2012, 07:12:50 PM »
Why did this thread abandon the working Yoke device and is wasting time on non-working sparklers, while so many questions about the Yoke device still have not been answered ?

We are working on it in background. There are health and safety hazards with very strong alternating magnetic fields and possible standing wave. Additional processes are happening inside of ferrite core and unless we can cancel outside fields, we cannot meter what is going on there.

I will post here ZeroFossilFuel comment, hopefully he will not get upset ;)

"I have been posting updates to my web site at http://alt-nrg.org/Kapanadze.html  Beside the smaller yoke ferrite shown there I also have created a new one about twice the size that I have been experimenting with. When I energized this coil from a spark gap, the magnetic interference created was so intense it shut down all of my USB webcams, caused my computer to freeze, even prevented my daughter from streaming music to her laptop 50 meters away at the other end of our house! My neighbors have not said if they experienced any problems and I have no intention of asking them! LOL!!!"

So, unless you got right equipment for this experiment, it is better to stay safe..

Cheers!

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11285 on: April 04, 2012, 07:17:54 PM »
Wesley.
"If it is me  that is what I would do  or  buy the winder and try to find some  wire to wind it for myself."

My thoughts exactly.

Having said that, I do own a cnc router with 4Th axis drive, recently build the coil wire dispenser for it and right now I'm experimenting with it. Thinking about winding flyback coil myself if my setup and gcode programing workout... ;)


You put the smile on my face :)
Right approach.


Wesley


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11286 on: April 04, 2012, 07:38:06 PM »
We are working on it in background. There are health and safety hazards with very strong alternating magnetic fields and possible standing wave. Additional processes are happening inside of ferrite core and unless we can cancel outside fields, we cannot meter what is going on there.

I will post here ZeroFossilFuel comment, hopefully he will not get upset ;)

"I have been posting updates to my web site at http://alt-nrg.org/Kapanadze.html  Beside the smaller yoke ferrite shown there I also have created a new one about twice the size that I have been experimenting with. When I energized this coil from a spark gap, the magnetic interference created was so intense it shut down all of my USB webcams, caused my computer to freeze, even prevented my daughter from streaming music to her laptop 50 meters away at the other end of our house! My neighbors have not said if they experienced any problems and I have no intention of asking them! LOL!!!"

So, unless you got right equipment for this experiment, it is better to stay safe..

Cheers!


 This effect can be blocked or to be very accurate reflected, you just have to statically shield the yoke on the outside to shield it from the environment. This is because you are sweeping around the device with a very high voltage field. This field is a sphere around the device for the most part. Maybe a quasi bow tie. Be very careful with the frequency of the pulses you use. Make sure it is 3-4k+ cycles a second. Tesla has very very important information about the pulses. When in lower frequencies it can be very very powerful and pull on everything around it strongly. The higher the voltage the finer the network resolution becomes. This high resolution network energizes everything in it. Metal attains a higher standing voltage from the increased resolution.
 Tesla said 2k was the limit of his perception. So to be safer raising the cycles per second to 2750-3500 should be acceptable. 2k was the phenomina of spontaneous light and good feelings of the highly energized field.


 Try not to go too low in frequencies. Stay on the high end and you get better push back from the universal pressure due to higher density..

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11287 on: April 04, 2012, 08:03:58 PM »
@verpies

The problem we ran into with the yoke is that the core seems to change properties once it has been exposed to all that HV. I don't think the yoke materiel was originally designed for HV since it is only there to guide or warp the signal which does not require HV at all. I still have mine that is OK but I still need a new flyback to drive it, hence all this flyback making stuff.

@stivep

Yes I know exactly what you are saying is right in many ways.

The problem is not to have or not have a winding device. It is knowing how to use it, how to handle the wind, how to insulate the layers, how to then encapsulate the coil in epoxy or silicone, etc, etc. There are many factors involved that if you just purchased a winding machine you would have to spend how many months just trying to learn the does and don'ts. This is why I was saying that knowing one of these guys is like gold. Yes there is a price to pay but for me the most important is being able to do some work with them and have access to them in the future for other builds.

Bob is taking a few days to work out the final pricing as what I said in my previous post is exactly what we had discussed so I am just being totally transparent about it.

You see, we can buy stuff but we cannot buy the knowledge of how to use it properly in order to expect a given outcome. These guys know all of that before they even start, they know exactly how and what to do. Like I said, if there were more orders for the flyback, then no problem to make it is robotic method at lower cost but until then we are dealing with hand made "Limited Edition" units. Anyways, don't worry, whatever the first unit price is, I will pay it for the first unit but if guys want their own flyback thereafter, we will have the price that will be the same for everyone. Bob is located in New Hampshire so not that far from Montreal.

Then only reason I am so interested in this is after having putzed around with all these regular flybacks, burned a good 4-5 of them so far and my present one is also going slowing down the tubes, I really want to try the TBC type which I have never been able to find elsewhere.

wattsup
« Last Edit: April 04, 2012, 10:41:44 PM by wattsup »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11288 on: April 04, 2012, 08:14:58 PM »
"Right approach."
Z pewnoscia... ;)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11289 on: April 04, 2012, 08:18:27 PM »

 This effect can be blocked or to be very accurate reflected, you just have to statically shield the yoke on the outside to shield it from the environment. This is because you are sweeping around the device with a very high voltage field. This field is a sphere around the device for the most part. Maybe a quasi bow tie. Be very careful with the frequency of the pulses you use. Make sure it is 3-4k+ cycles a second. Tesla has very very important information about the pulses. When in lower frequencies it can be very very powerful and pull on everything around it strongly. The higher the voltage the finer the network resolution becomes. This high resolution network energizes everything in it. Metal attains a higher standing voltage from the increased resolution.
 Tesla said 2k was the limit of his perception. So to be safer raising the cycles per second to 2750-3500 should be acceptable. 2k was the phenomina of spontaneous light and good feelings of the highly energized field.


 Try not to go too low in frequencies. Stay on the high end and you get better push back from the universal pressure due to higher density..

Thanks for sugestions just in our case we have standing wave what penetrates everything.
Also Nicola Tesla used 20k+, not 2k cycles per second. The lower frequency caused pain and so on.
http://www.stealthskater.com/Documents/Tesla_09.doc

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11290 on: April 04, 2012, 08:19:58 PM »
"We are working on it in background. There are health and safety hazards with very strong alternating magnetic fields and possible standing wave. Additional processes are happening inside of ferrite core and unless we can cancel outside fields, we cannot meter what is going on there."

@ T-1000

Not sure it would work or not... Did you consider putting the yoke and all the stuff inside of the scrapped microwave oven box. It stop the radiation so one would think it would help contain the hazards.. Be careful.

Best..

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« Reply #11291 on: April 04, 2012, 08:43:20 PM »
@ T-1000

Not sure it would work or not... Did you consider putting the yoke and all the stuff inside of the scrapped microwave oven box. It stop the radiation so one would think it would help contain the hazards.. Be careful.

Best..

We tried and that does not help, as I said before, we're dealing with standing wave in first place.. :)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11292 on: April 04, 2012, 09:51:51 PM »

I was not able to shield the radiant energy as Tesla called it in any way through anything.
 The 'only way is to position itself away.
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11293 on: April 04, 2012, 11:10:13 PM »
" I was not able to shield the radiant energy as Tesla called it in any way through anything.
 The 'only way is to position itself away.
 Leo48 "



I wonder if clay would work as a shield ?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11294 on: April 04, 2012, 11:39:24 PM »
"I have been posting updates to my web site at http://alt-nrg.org/Kapanadze.html  Beside the smaller yoke ferrite shown there I also have created a new one about twice the size...

The chemical composition of the ferrite core most likely is critical in this device in addition to its size and shape.

Thus it is prudent to replicate it with identical components.
Osiakosia has a ferrite from the russian Rubin TV exacly like the one used in the working Yoke device.  Maybe he would lend it to you...

As far as the deleterious effects of the device it is not anything that some distance will not cure.

@wattsup
The Yoke device had two modes of operation. The low-power mode does not subject the core to HV.
If the core indeed has changing properties (still to be confirmed) then a frequency-agile driving scheme will solve this difficulty.

 

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