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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16406843 times)

a.king21

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10935 on: February 23, 2012, 03:13:25 AM »
T 1000
  It looks like a classic tetrode beam  valve/tube setup: If so it is an (RF) radio transmitter setup. Therefore  you are burning your coils with radio transmission, and possibly youself. It could be dangerous. It is not Tesla cold electricity.
  Beam Tetrode http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrode
   A pentode is  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentode 

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10936 on: February 23, 2012, 07:20:41 AM »
 
I saw FreeEnergyInfo experiments, and remembered how in youth, gathered transmitter at the tetrode the 6P3S
http://www.radiotehnica.ru/kompl/lamp/6_lamp/6p3s.jpg
Here is this circuit  http://6p3s.ru/pics/classical-1.GIF
This scheme did not work stably. Why? In this lamp arose "dynatron effect."
I was afraid that the lamp goes down, and turned off the power from the mains.
The transmitter has continued to work! I had to pull out the bulb from the socket, to stop the work of the transmitter.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10937 on: February 23, 2012, 10:26:17 AM »
Hi Stefan,

the pic: http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/95822/, does show clearly that there is a connection to the oscillator grid labelled 'modulation'. Clearly the 50Hz reference freq is inputted there. The funny is the use of 'shield grid' as a way of modulation input as in such a case certainly you need more voltage.

On the other end the other picture shows a self runner where the transformer output is connected to shield grid'...if standard iron-core XFORMER used it does allow passing of only low frequency, but there I do not see like you any low freq source. The circuit itself http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/95834/ I think is to be considered partial as it cannot start in that way because the tube's filament initially is not powered. Some initial condition must be considered :)

I'm quite sure that this comes from Stivep... I think I could use as exciter my YAESU transceiver FT-277E as 80 meters band (3.5MHz) exciter just driving a 50 ohm impedance coil in the stivep coil-set... (Stivep, if you happen to come in Italy pse QSY to my home, 73 from I0LY).

Roberto
« Last Edit: February 23, 2012, 11:58:58 AM by ronotte »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10938 on: February 23, 2012, 03:29:58 PM »
  Going back to the motor video on the home page I find it odd that the entire assembly is raised off the ground with rubber tires. Figure that the frame is welded from 5" or so 'I' beams and the bearing mounts and bottom plate from 1/4" steel. All together just the frame weighs in at about 200 - 300 pounds.
  Adding a large generator with what appears to be a 10-15HP motor will then add an additional 300 - 400 pounds. In all, on the low end it weighs in at 500Lb, on the high end 700LB. This is a bit scary to have balanced on some rubber tires. The argument that the tires are there to show that there are no wires from beneath is invalid. This, of course, do to that fact that the tires themselves block any view from underneath.

  From the home page video you don't see anyone go near the frame(I don't know if there is an extended video). I would argue that the entire frame + generator is energized electrically and forms one pole (oscillating) of an electric field. Perhaps the air forms the other( top capacitance typically found on a Tesla coil).

  In the video they focus on a hole drilled into the steel. Is this the location of the spark gap? I would venture a guess that the spark gap is hitting the wave(electric) right at the ebb and flows of the wave. Regardless most/if not all people, dont even build one OU device. It is unbelievable that Tariel has many different flavors.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10939 on: February 23, 2012, 06:05:43 PM »


http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/95834/ has step up transformer missing to Pentod's Anode

The measurments:
1) On Anode it is 315 V pulsed DC, approx 50mA.
2) The Tr2 and Tr1 are 50Hz 10W transformers, taking 50Hz from the grid. The purpose of them is 50Hz signal source, not power.
3) The Pentod Anode is connected to step up transformer. That transformer connects to parallel of Tr2 and 50Hz phase must match.
4) It was not possible to take precise Amp reading on Tr2, so lets say, it is 10W as maximum per transformer
5) Pendode heating element takes more than 15 Watts when heating and 12W when in working condition.
6) The 100W halogen is attached as load.
7) The secondary of Tesla coil is split into two parts: 1st is 1/4 of second coil length. The distance between them on tube is 3.5 cm.

Also, this circuit uses general idea of RF equipment but does not operate in conventional way. There is ionization on Tesla coil going on and there are coil-capacitors inside of Tesla Coil. The Tesla Coil is tunned to 800kHz resonant frequency.
So here is question: is it possible to light and overheat 100W halogen with 16W power input..?
The answer most likely will be shown when you repeat this circuit... :)
P.S.> The longer secondary coil part is winded into opposite direction in regards to first 1/4 length coil. The receiving Tesla coil (inside of transmitting coil) is winded opposite to transmitting Tesla coil.  Also you can have receiving Tesla coil outside of transmitting Tesla coil.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10940 on: February 23, 2012, 06:24:16 PM »

http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/95834/ has step up transformer missing to Pentod's Anode

The measurments:
1) On Anode it is 315 V pulsed DC, approx 50mA.
2) The Tr2 and Tr1 are 50Hz 10W transformers, taking 50Hz from the grid. The purpose of them is 50Hz signal source, not power.
3) The Pentod Anode is connected to step up transformer. That transformer connects to parallel of Tr2 and 50Hz phase must match.
4) It was not possible to take precise Amp reading on Tr2, so lets say, it is 10W as maximum per transformer
5) Pendode heating element takes more than 15 Watts when heating and 12W when in working condition.
6) The 100W halogen is attached as load.
7) The secondary of Tesla coil is split into two parts: 1st is 1/4 of second coil length. The distance between them on tube is 3.5 cm.

Also, this circuit uses general idea of RF equipment but does not operate in conventional way. There is ionization on Tesla coil going on and there are coil-capacitors inside of Tesla Coil. The Tesla Coil is tunned to 800kHz resonant frequency.
So here is question: is it possible to light and overheat 100W halogen with 16W power input..?
The answer most likely will be shown when you repeat this circuit... :)
P.S.> The longer secondary coil part is winded into opposite direction in regards to first 1/4 length coil. The receiving Tesla coil (inside of transmitting coil) is winded opposite to transmitting Tesla coil.  Also you can have receiving Tesla coil outside of transmitting Tesla coil.


Come on now ,Its a Beam Tetrode not a Pentode There is a difference .


Dave :)

stivep

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10941 on: February 23, 2012, 06:39:24 PM »

Come on now ,Its a Beam Tetrode not a Pentode There is a difference .


Dave :)




It is like you say


you Jonhn Smith .or I'm sorry
you John  Smith.........


What different does it make?
You dealing with the same person  and you talking to the same person..
Got the message?


SIR? ??? ??? ?






You response should be..
"I understand concept there  is just wording to be corrected"
BUT even  at that point you may be in error SIR look at last link of this post...


Did you make statement of understanding or you pointing to the skirt  of  Gentleman girlfriend while steering at her legs...

instead  you should be  concentrating yourself on Gentleman  brain.




http://www.magictubes.ru/sprav/pdf/6p36s.pdf




Wesley




PS:
It is you who is analyzing Arunas  explanation
and
It is not Arunas  analyzing your consent about.


========================================================
I make many mistakes as I was not born American nor is Aidas or Arunas.How many languages do you speak  Sir I went across of understanding more than 5 and being fluent in and least 3




Typical American
"Back in 1940, less than 5 percent of Americans 25 and older had bachelor's degrees. Now, according to data released by the Census Bureau in December, nearly
28 percent do"
http://chronicle.com/article/Census-Data-Reveal-Rise-in/126026/




Typical Russian
"According to a 2005 UNESCO report, 96% of the adult population has completed lower secondary schooling and most of them also have an upper secondary education."
That means
most of them have bachelor degree


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Russia


96/2=48 percent "do"


Sir...




dear sir cow will be cow even with three legs
look at this link it says pentode


http://www.elektrohobby.de/Bauelemente/Verstaerker-Roehre/6P36C-6GB5-EL500-Pentode.html



So who is right  and who is  wrong? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ?





« Last Edit: February 23, 2012, 08:10:09 PM by stivep »

andrea76

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10942 on: February 23, 2012, 06:47:05 PM »
about the video of motor at min 20:57 the toroidal transformer probably induced the high frequency pulsed DC current from metallic box to the shaft.in the video 01 that transformer is different (the three primary coils here we are,in the video 02 there are only two black wire that feed the toroid). I think the step are: TK built the electrolizer for the engine,during his experiment discover the phenomenon of magnetic collection and apply this on the rotor for drive the alternator. after built a solid stated device.from min 16:20 to 18:14 the rotor is unloaded.look how fast turns.... (high frequency current, Thomas Moray had a motor running 360000 t/min).When the beat of the two frequency running into the toroidal coil interact with the environment (earth magnetic field) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVUN3GsekKQ&feature=relmfu

Kator01

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10943 on: February 23, 2012, 07:19:33 PM »

http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/95834/ has step up transformer missing to Pentod's Anode

The measurments:
1) On Anode it is 315 V pulsed DC, approx 50mA.
2) The Tr2 and Tr1 are 50Hz 10W transformers, taking 50Hz from the grid. The purpose of them is 50Hz signal source, not power.
3) The Pentod Anode is connected to step up transformer. That transformer connects to parallel of Tr2 and 50Hz phase must match.
4) It was not possible to take precise Amp reading on Tr2, so lets say, it is 10W as maximum per transformer
5) Pendode heating element takes more than 15 Watts when heating and 12W when in working condition.
6) The 100W halogen is attached as load.
7) The secondary of Tesla coil is split into two parts: 1st is 1/4 of second coil length. The distance between them on tube is 3.5 cm.

Also, this circuit uses general idea of RF equipment but does not operate in conventional way. There is ionization on Tesla coil going on and there are coil-capacitors inside of Tesla Coil. The Tesla Coil is tunned to 800kHz resonant frequency.
So here is question: is it possible to light and overheat 100W halogen with 16W power input..?
The answer most likely will be shown when you repeat this circuit... :)
P.S.> The longer secondary coil part is winded into opposite direction in regards to first 1/4 length coil. The receiving Tesla coil (inside of transmitting coil) is winded opposite to transmitting Tesla coil.  Also you can have receiving Tesla coil outside of transmitting Tesla coil.

Hello T-1000,

for an in-depth understanding of the dynatron-effect: here is a german website which explains the suppressor-grid-action ( do not be scared though..it is all written in english) and a possible dynatron converter ( dynatron-mode is an oscillation-mode ):
http://www.radiomuseum.org/forum/1619_1619_suppressor_action.html

http://www.radiomuseum.org/forum/df97_pentode_and_tetrode_curves.html

http://www.radiomuseum.org/forum/a_very_simple_one_tube_transmitter.html

Quote : "This behaviour will result in a negative resistance, cancelling out the damping of the L-C circuitry"

Regards

Kator01




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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10944 on: February 23, 2012, 07:29:48 PM »



It is like you say


you Jonhn Smith .or I'm sorry
you John  Smith.........


What different does it make?
You dealing with the same person  and you talking to the same person..
Got the message?


SIR? ??? ??? ?






You response should be..
"I understand concept there  is just wording to be corrected"


Did you make statement of understanding or you pointing to the skirt  of  Gentleman girlfriend
instead of concentrating on Gentleman  brain.




http://www.magictubes.ru/sprav/pdf/6p36s.pdf




Wesley




PS:
It is you who is analyzing Arunas  explanation
and
It is not Arunas  analyzing your consent about.


========================================================
I make many mistakes as I was not born American nor is Aidas or Arunas.How many languages do you speak  Sir I went across of understanding more than 5 and being fluent in and least 3
Typical American
"Back in 1940, less than 5 percent of Americans 25 and older had bachelor's degrees. Now, according to data released by the Census Bureau in December, nearly
28 percent do"
http://chronicle.com/article/Census-Data-Reveal-Rise-in/126026/




Typical Russian
"According to a 2005 UNESCO report, 96% of the adult population has completed lower secondary schooling and most of them also have an upper secondary education."
That means
most of them have bachelor degree


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Russia


96/2=48%


Sir...


 I am trying to keep it real there will be people who have no experience with valves,
  wording is very important as it can create confusion you need to dot the i `s and cross
 t`s if you are going to publish information ,it also does not look good for the publisher of that information.

Dave :)

Kator01

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10945 on: February 23, 2012, 07:33:57 PM »

http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/95834/ has step up transformer missing to Pentod's Anode

The measurments:
1) On Anode it is 315 V pulsed DC, approx 50mA.
2) The Tr2 and Tr1 are 50Hz 10W transformers, taking 50Hz from the grid. The purpose of them is 50Hz signal source, not power.
3) The Pentod Anode is connected to step up transformer. That transformer connects to parallel of Tr2 and 50Hz phase must match.
4) It was not possible to take precise Amp reading on Tr2, so lets say, it is 10W as maximum per transformer
5) Pendode heating element takes more than 15 Watts when heating and 12W when in working condition.
6) The 100W halogen is attached as load.
7) The secondary of Tesla coil is split into two parts: 1st is 1/4 of second coil length. The distance between them on tube is 3.5 cm.

Also, this circuit uses general idea of RF equipment but does not operate in conventional way. There is ionization on Tesla coil going on and there are coil-capacitors inside of Tesla Coil. The Tesla Coil is tunned to 800kHz resonant frequency.
So here is question: is it possible to light and overheat 100W halogen with 16W power input..?
The answer most likely will be shown when you repeat this circuit... :)
P.S.> The longer secondary coil part is winded into opposite direction in regards to first 1/4 length coil. The receiving Tesla coil (inside of transmitting coil) is winded opposite to transmitting Tesla coil.  Also you can have receiving Tesla coil outside of transmitting Tesla coil.

T-1000,

is it possible have a more precise desription and a better diagram as to how the primary and secondary outer coils are connected ? The leads coming from the 315 V + Supply, the ground and the lower grid entering L27/28 also seem to be connected to L30 /31.
I understand that you are using here a Don-Smith opposite-wound coil-design for both primary and secondary coil-sets

Regards

Kator01

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a.king21

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10947 on: February 23, 2012, 08:00:42 PM »
Here is what happen in our laboratories.. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAnfBemgyb4 - Tesla coil secondary overheating diialectric while wire stays cold

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9pAmgCwwFA - Receiving Tesla coil ligting bulb

And circuit attached with another photo from another coil: http://imgbin.org/images/6907.png

This seems to be an exciting development.
1 Can you give us PRECISE details of the coil arrangement please. I have always thought that the secret lies in the coil windings.
2 To avoid overheating you can put a spark gap into the circuit acting as a current limiter or lightning arrestor.

Kator01

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10948 on: February 23, 2012, 08:12:03 PM »

additional info concerning beam-tetrodes in comparison to pentode-tubes:

http://www.r-type.org/static/grid14.htm

Kator01

stivep

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10949 on: February 23, 2012, 08:13:51 PM »

 

Dave :)


Please read my later addition to my post above you will see official links naming  the same tube  as pentode and as tetrode


Wesley