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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13868178 times)

Offline abc

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10695 on: February 13, 2012, 12:22:00 AM »
I was offered 100 000 000 EURO today ............

Was it guy from next room in your nuts-house? ;D
You should offer half of it to TK, maybe he tell you the Secret of "working OU".
What a prick.

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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10696 on: February 13, 2012, 01:23:53 AM »
Was it guy from next room in your nuts-house? ;D
You should offer half of it to TK, maybe he tell you the Secret of "working OU".
What a prick.

Because most likely someone who pays that kind of money for it, wont want you to sell it again to anyone else, let alone give it away for free later. Otherwise the purchaser might as well wait until the info is free, instead of paying 100,000 for it.  ;]

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10697 on: February 13, 2012, 01:31:02 AM »
Was it guy from next room in your nuts-house? ;D

I hope for him it was that guy  ;D

To much experimenting with HV an HF is maybe not good for the brain!
Next time you do experiment or video keep it short.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10697 on: February 13, 2012, 01:31:02 AM »
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Offline stivep

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10698 on: February 13, 2012, 04:31:24 AM »
The answer is very simple.
6.8 billion people on the planet earth.
around 10% population capable of making production  from the first day of technology being  accessible.
That makes everyone who sits on this subject to get his money before  world will be saturated.
The customer is every adult person walking on the street.
The cost of device around $50 US when made in large scale.
The price for easy sale around $1000  for 5 KW.
The price of more demanding manufacturers $5000
That makes with help of family members 20 TK devices assembled  per day.=$20 000 per day minimum. and $100K maximum.
That should be enough to make everyone of you happy.


Wesley




PS: You do not need to sale your soul.
And if anyone will have temptation  to pay 100 mil for it to one person........ he has to remember that
FIRST DEVICE SOLD.. AND THERE IS NO LONGER SECRET.


SO WHO IS GOING TO pay such a pile of money to one person for IT? HIS LUCRATIVENESS IS DONE WITH FIRST DEVICE SOLD.
He can not ever get patent for it as TK will automatically get his patent if only 100 people around the world will have such device at their  property, made by whoever.


TK patent application is done this way that never in history of this world  no person will be able to patent it.
Remember.. at the end TK is going to be the one who will get all of everyone production if he only demand it. Unless he will be  revoked of his right  for patent by priority of Tesla.
(history: Marconi=USA government  for Tesla court proceedings)
At that point also nobody would be able to patent it ever.

ABC you are very much narrow minded person.


 

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10699 on: February 13, 2012, 05:32:31 AM »
I do not care what's your opinion about my mind, at least I'm not sick ;D
You do not know nothing about patenting whatsoever.
If somebody will make it working, he will change ONE little thing to make it a new, and it will be patented as a new approach.
Block-diagram (TK) is not subject for patenting, it must be shown novelty in patent application, and if it there you'll get your patent even similar devices already exist.
So it's not TK, or you, or poor guy from your next door, it's who makes it doable, repeatable, scaleable; look at the perfect example  -  A.Rossi.
So long, world's savior, you have a long journey before you...for recovery.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2012, 06:36:58 AM by abc »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10699 on: February 13, 2012, 05:32:31 AM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10700 on: February 13, 2012, 07:11:57 AM »
I do not care what's your opinion about my mind, at least I'm not sick ;D
You do not know nothing about patenting whatsoever.
If somebody will make it working, he will change ONE little thing to make it a new, and it will be patented as a new approach.
Block-diagram (TK) is not subject for patenting, it must be shown novelty in patent application, and if it there you'll get your patent even similar devices already exist.
So it's not TK, or you, or poor guy from your next door, it's who makes it doable, repeatable, scaleable; look at the perfect example  -  A.Rossi.
So long, world's savior, you have a long journey before you...for recovery.


No Sir You do not know about patenting at all . I have got  plenty of work with them.I was closely working with number of government institutions including NASA and Dep of Defense in my life time.. I spoken with few professional patent attorneys.
Please read  Patent application of TK.
Please consult it with professionals.
It is not block diagram that is most important  but Patent claims.


Patent claims are the part of a patent or patent application that defines the scope of protection granted by the patent.


TK has based on his patent application priority not only to his invention but to any invention of any kind falling to the description of his   Patent claims after date of filing.That should be counted from hour and minute of him sending his patent application to Patent
Office.
That stays about any device  described above to be non patent able  even after TK death.
Ever...
After his death his family has rights to demand patent till the period of time patent should be valid if it was issued.(approx 20 years).If evidence was to be ever presented.

He does not have patent as no patent office is issuing patent for group of perpetual motion devices. So as long as there will be no significant evidence that his device/ or any other device within brackets of his claims works as desired./ he will not be granted patent.
As soon as any  body/entity show it working he will be issued patent by default.
After approximate two years from date  of submitting his application he should get denial
At that point there is requirement to resubmit papers and/or go to court.
That may delay him  with his patent  for approx.another 2 years.
But till now he did not received denial.
So  that might take  about 3-12 months to give him patent after evidence is  provided that his device work
So if we like it or do not it does not make any impact on TK patent rights


no improvement to the patent is allowed to be manufactured if it is utilizing rights of primary patent holder without his consent and/or approval nor licencing agreement.
If any improvement was presented, manufactured and/or published and/or disclosed or claimed by any other party apart of inventor including his friends, family than this improvement is invalidated for the purpose of patent proceeding
If any part of improvement was.... ( as above) than  this improvement is invalidated for the purpose of patent proceeding )
If any part of improvement was similar to any other concept ever discussed  in its form matching
improvement patent application than  this improvement is invalidated for the purpose of patent proceeding .



 
 
TK patent is international class of patent.



You are  just  small time ignorant with the big mouth hiding and baiting. That is all.
What did you contribute to this forum sir..


Wesley
If you continue to provoke me I will gently ask for you to be removed form this forum






 
« Last Edit: February 13, 2012, 08:17:27 AM by stivep »

Offline Qwert

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10701 on: February 13, 2012, 08:30:56 AM »
@abc.
I guess, it would be rather hard to convince the Patent Office authorities to get a patent for an Open Source device with only ONE LITTLE THING changed. It must be a thing, which pretty significantly IMPROVES its function. Furthermore, I would think at least twice before I would attempt to patent such way, taking under consideration a fact that patenting process is rather expensive affair; yet another problem is to compete with a device already existing and accessible for free (even when that free one will be less functional).

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10701 on: February 13, 2012, 08:30:56 AM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10702 on: February 13, 2012, 08:37:07 AM »
I am just trying to understand, no motive whatsoever to critize/flame anything that has been posted here.
The part that i do not understand about TK's actions is that considering the following:

Quote
As soon as any  body/entity show it working he will be issued patent by default.

All he would have to do then is to present the working device to the patent office and get the patent granted
which would put him into the position to be able to mass produce the device and generate revenue which seems
to be his priority.
What exactly keeps him from doing that?



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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10703 on: February 13, 2012, 08:38:04 AM »
TK even stated that you dont need any ground at all. Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1q41KaTwZA&feature=channel_video_title

It needs a ground! Maybe bad translation, but ground are not needed starting from 50 Kv and UP, but device are complex (actually not device, but schematics and control system)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10703 on: February 13, 2012, 08:38:04 AM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10704 on: February 13, 2012, 08:52:57 AM »
It needs a ground! Maybe bad translation, but ground are not needed starting from 50 Kv and UP, but device are complex (actually not device, but schematics and control system)

Well it is kind of funny if someone tells you something is not needed, yet in nearly every presentation there is
significant time being spent on focusing the camera exactly on that aspect which supposedly is not needed at all.
He DOES however say it. Up to everybody what to make out of it .... ;)


To me it sounded like he said "grant is not needed". I tried to determine the context it was said in but could not for sure. More than likely he said ground was not needed, but was that just for lower power or even high power.

John

In the skype conversation TK clearly uses the term земля which means ground. Wesley might have pronounced it slightly more sounding like "grant",
but what counts is what TK said.



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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10705 on: February 13, 2012, 10:55:15 AM »
Dear stiveip


Do you really think that a patent with blocking diagram and "round" words not explaining the method clearly has real priority ????? Let's say I would patent a device with rotor and stator as block diagram without explaining that the rotor magnets are really electromagnets - would I automatically patent all permanent magnet motors ?


Let me describe my opinion.
In Tariel patent he didn't described essential elements and I bet he knew why - because there was previous published detail of embodiments he used. He also cannot patent resonance because Tesla patented the method first in 1892.
In my opinion his patent is void because the elements of novelty (which is here but not so much as we expect) is not explained at all.
Compare Tariel patent with Tesla patents. Exceptional difference !

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10706 on: February 13, 2012, 12:57:31 PM »
after lots of arguments and theories... At the end of the day it would be nice if we could heat and light our homes in this cold weather.   it was -29 C in eastern europe,     pooor families, soon not have anything to eat, because they are forced to spend all on bills, they have to steal tree from forest because no way else getting heat.

They borrow money from evil banks and banks take their house because they cant pay interrest, and their lives are up in fire.

till how long will humans try to profit from eachother,  very foolish,  we are the same and we are never disconnected, everything should be shared, then it would be a miracoluous world.   right now humans are getting technologically advanced, but without feelings, and this is FAKE INTELLIGENCE because it goes against NATURE.

So all of you who possess knoweledge  share it with love,  we can still solve our problems from now.
I do not know what about 5 years later,  it seems that we are heading into the Trash, genocide,  murder of our families by the governmnent...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10707 on: February 13, 2012, 01:07:38 PM »
What do we want, money fame attention or free energy for everyone ???

If it is money then take advice from abc, get the 100000000euro and share it with TK.
If it is attention and fame then just release it to the people so we can replicate and all get sick ;D

Why talk about patent office, patent office = goverment!

@cosmoLV, you should also ease on your experiments, you breath to much ozone... THINK!









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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10708 on: February 13, 2012, 02:00:45 PM »
I am just trying to understand, no motive whatsoever to critize/flame anything that has been posted here.
The part that i do not understand about TK's actions is that considering the following:

All he would have to do then is to present the working device to the patent office and get the patent granted
which would put him into the position to be able to mass produce the device and generate revenue which seems
to be his priority.
What exactly keeps him from doing that?



As soon as any  body/entity show it working he will be issued patent by default.




That means .  If TK present his device to patent office than he will not be granted a patent as he does not have enough of money to get opinion of independent 3 party and /or scientific analysis./and/or
National Bureau of Standards
Such requirement may come from Patent Office  even if device is working in front of commissioner/clerk  eyes
Patent office  checks application for  errors and check that Patent Search
( was done according to requirement)


Order of further scientific examination before patent is given ..is up to clerk
By nature  TK patent is assigned to group called


"PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINES"


Such group of qualification automatically gets denial   after approx 2-3 years from date of submission.
But if prove is provided beyond reasonable doubt


such as: large number of people showing working device


such as universities or approved scientific entity  analysis


If that 100 or more people will use  device made by anyone
and than TK will show in patent office with his device upon scheduled appointment
Than no further scientific examination will be required.
The claims of application will than  be checked if both  TK device and Any body device are in agreement of TK claims statements.


As there is significant value of such discovery the number of  users of such device will be growing in days not months or years.
There will be no patent office in the  world  that will take risk of holding TK with his patent and face accusation and public scrutiny.






But if after the month or so large   say 10 000 devices and more  people present any device that is similar in nature to TK or just show that they have it even if they made it by them self.
Than TK without any further scientific examination will get patent. by default.


It works this way




Wesley

PS:
Patent rights and/or patent after was issued may be revoked by priority of Nicola Tesla
invention at any time.
At that point no patent will be issued to anyone and any possible improvement will be patent protected if and only if such improvement ,does not  fall to TK original patent application claims and/or description

Such application /patent of TK  will than become valid in parts of invention not covered by Nicola Tesla. But only after is resubmitted as addition to Tesla invention.
Any other inventor must provide impovement that is not covered by both Nikola Tesla and TK
If TK is denied with any  improvement  the original application  may become know how non patent-able by any one.




« Last Edit: February 13, 2012, 08:07:51 PM by stivep »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #10709 on: February 13, 2012, 02:15:07 PM »
Who cares about TK, we already have people on this forum who can produce OU device.

Stivep has 10000000euro device, 3w in 100w out
CosmoLV has working suitcase device and knows everything.

What are we waiting for??

Let's get them by the balls

 

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