Hi Ronotte

wow !!

very well done  bravo! that is the AIDA trumpet

So i insert my understanding of your circuit please feel free to modify it and bring your comment

so far i got almost your first picture trumpet wave , but trying to improve it i fired almost all my HV cap and also my LCR meter  youp! and furthermore and got some really good bloody electric chocs. So everybody be very cautious with those circuit and especially with HV capacitors.

hehe this quest is very interesting (and more and more )

thank's for sharing

good luck at all

Laurent

 This is somewhat familiar to my work on the mystery of the pierce arrow Tesla Box.. Maybe this can be used...


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This should be integrated into one unit. The center portion of the Tesla pancake coils have the spark gaps in them. The second picture is the spark gap circuitry. I have not shown these before except once because there are errors in them but essentially the spark gaps emit a pulse wave that gets squished in between the magnets. The antenna's are the main drive and receivers. They must be balanced. The drive antenna is the emitter and weighs twice the mass of the smaller rods. The only difference between the smaller and larger antennas is the surface area of them. The diodes are most likely the wrong directions but you should get the drift. The bottom of the first picture is a relay but could be high voltage switching devices.


 Maybe it is gibberish but maybe not. You guys might make something of it. The design Woopy showed made me think of the design I did more then a year ago...

I’ll try now to answer all as I feel  that this thread has many really interested followers myself included. Let me take also the opportunity to thank again stivep for his fundamental contribute: please do continue on your way!
 
 @Kator01
 You can easily find all the relevant info on Delamorto Kacher device just in this thread. It is everything here: you can just google with keywords ‘delamorto’  ‘ronotte’ or ‘kacher’. If you are not satisfied just sent me a message and I’ll provide you my  Kacher schematic. On the other end have a look to: Woopy's  today post:  Reply #10314 on: January 27, 2012, 11:08:31 PM. It is everything there!
 
@Khwartz,
 The left picture in Reply #10305 on: January 27, 2012, 03:31:59 PM is relative to my previous best trumpet’s shape & amplitude. You can see that the slopes, even if increasing, lacks of concavity. In other words there is not the quadratic increase typical of any exponential behavior. It is to be said that said pic taken while HV sinusoidal signal input at AV plug =1.2KVpp (point#11 in stivep’s rev2 schem) is evidently too low to trigger the exponential wave increase.
 In fact, on the 2nd pic (on the right) you can see that increasing to about 2KV the input signal promotes a new operating mode that is exactly what observed by STAAAR team even if  I should say, obtained with a complete different approach , namely pancake coils instead of caduceus & pickup coil and 2KV impressed.
 
@John M,
 Hi John, I am also striving to understand what really is happening. Certainly you can find something useful by reading the keystone paper written by Vladimir Utkin (free available on internet and published also somewhere in this thread) at least for the reason why we chosen to use such pickup coil arrangement: the second (open & inverse wounded) coil does ‘blind’ the first coil…hence you can extract power from it without load reflection on primary.
 
@Woopy,
 Hi Laurent! I’m am very happy you have captured almost everything from my perhaps confusing posts. I think you are very near to my state of art and I encourage you to go on and keep me informed as we could join quickly our forces.
I’m also happy to signal you some points to correct and request as well something about your scope pics. Lets go with order:

1 – Referring to your pic labeled ‘trumpet-wave-circuit-saputa.jpg, please take note that: a) there is no need of protective diode on NPN transistor (I suggest to use MJE1530D), the resistor for base polarizing I use is 3.3KOhm. b) The primary coil on kacher is 5t 1.5mm pancake. c) Pancake 8t bifilar lacks of the tuning cap: it is very important! Its value must be tuned using one of the low power ways I’ve indicated (in my case I use 1n/15KV). d) The two output pancakes are (in my case) made auto resonant to 3MHz so it turned out the necessity to use at least 80turns. That anyway is to be considered (after operating the system) not so important. You could use the Tesla rules and use 32-40t. e) The output pancake connections seems wrong. I connected the CT to GND, I left free (open) the left pancake, I connected the right pancake to HV diode; the leveling cap is also connected between GND and diode’s cathode.

2 – Referring to trumpet-wave-1.jpg I’d like you details where the pics are referring and to have a more detailed trumpet. Anyway speaking about your lower waveform I see that the spike envelope does follow a ‘cup’ like form while the real inside bursts are not clear enough. Remember that the trumpet I reported are the single inside bursts….so far very different apparently from what you are seeing (I have also a cup like waveform from the spikes only). Please take also note that it takes time to reach my results…that come after many , many ADJ of several parameters like: Ferrite’s rod position, tuning caps, kacher inside rod/ferrite positioning and so on…
 
Good work!
 
@hartiberlin,
 
Hi harti!
Please consider it still early to make any OU measurement (at the moment DC input power is 7-15W depending on conditions). Anyway the last wave I succeeded to obtain is to be considered very encouraging as it does show a really possible energy gain. I’m striving to find a way to ‘extend’ that clearly exponential rise as it could go to infinite and hence circuit’s out of control. At the moment what is happening is that if I increase the input DC supply to 30V the wave does not increase…but rather decrease…it means that there is much to work. On the other hand this is real fun for me.
Please correct the WESLEY_schematic-1 as it lacks the tuning cap across the Caduceus, GND connection at Center tap should be showed but it is optional.

@jbignes5
"...his is somewhat familiar to my work on the mystery of the pierce arrow Tesla Box.. Maybe this can be used...
 
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"...This should be integrated into one unit. The center portion of the Tesla pancake coils have the spark gaps in them. The second picture is the spark gap circuitry. I have not shown these before except once because there are errors in them but essentially the spark gaps emit a pulse wave that gets squished in between the magnets. The antenna's are the main drive and receivers. They must be balanced. The drive antenna is the emitter and weighs twice the mass of the smaller rods. The only difference between the smaller and larger antennas is the surface area of them. The diodes are most likely the wrong directions but you should get the drift. The bottom of the first picture is a relay but could be high voltage switching devices...."

Wow, that’s very interesting: Thank you very much Sir! May be I can use such idea in my actual device. I concord with you that there are errors…let me study it better.
 
Roberto
 

@Khwartz,
 The left picture in Reply #10305 on: January 27, 2012, 03:31:59 PM is relative to my previous best trumpet’s shape & amplitude. You can see that the slopes, even if increasing, lacks of concavity. In other words there is not the quadratic increase typical of any exponential behavior. It is to be said that said pic taken while HV sinusoidal signal input at AV plug =1.2KVpp (point#11 in stivep’s rev2 schem) is evidently too low to trigger the exponential wave increase.
 In fact, on the 2nd pic (on the right) you can see that increasing to about 2KV the input signal promotes a new operating mode that is exactly what observed by STAAAR team even if  I should say, obtained with a complete different approach , namely pancake coils instead of caduceus & pickup coil and 2KV impressed.
.../...
Roberto

Hi Ronotte ! and thanks for reply.
Ok, this what I wanted to be sure about the right side pic is about your last set.
So, look: isn't that power goes with the integral of the curve? In both case, and that was very brilliant to do so I think, you let the same scale of voltage so that we can see that the surface of the first one is much more important than the second one.
So, because of this, I'm not sure that is interesting to have a trumpet-form instead of a convex-glass-form. I'm in communication regularly with an experimentator in free energy, Kdkinen (a very sympathetic man! ), who works on Don Smith Device and all his work was about to obtain the convex-form, that i well unsdertand!
For me, the the best would be the most "scare" that possible (see draws).
Of course, now, if you get half power by cycle/periode (half surface of the curve for same frequency) but that you use a third or a quarter of power in in-put, that is an other story!
So, looks to me that is essential to compare both out-pout, I mean in the 2 sets, and of course the ratios out-put / in-put, I mean the COP of course
What do you think?

@ronotte

Thanks for your last posts.

OK, about the trumpet waveform that we all see at point #11, I think I know what is happening. Point #11 is just before the AV plug. So what is going on. The HV has voltage but very little amperage and your capacitor even in pF value have some ability to accumulate the charge passing the AV plug. But the output of HV is more reactive so you need alot of voltage to fill up the capacitors. It can all be brought down to joules. So from the shortest rise in the wave the capacitor starts filling up in about 15 increments. For the right waveform it is easier to count the increments. The setting is on 0.1mS or 1000Hz per division. The waveform crosses two divisions so you have at every 2000Hz a spark discharge but the applied frequency is around 30kH because you have 15 increments. To prove this all you have to do is do the measurements again to get a repetitive waveform then you add an extra capacitor across the AV. The new waveform should be the same but now the stem of the waveform should be longer. So if you add more capacitance, it will take longer for the rise until the spark can occur again. If you remove a capacitor, the stem will be shorter and you will have faster sparks at the same applied 30kH.

This would be a simple way to test the effect and know once and for all about the trumpet waveform. It is all relative to the amount of joules produced per master cycle by the HV device. If the joules are in the low range, then the trumpet will be easier to produce. If the joules HV output is greater (probably like my set-up with my big flyback), then there will be now trumpet unless I should add more capacitance then what is recommended on the official schematic. So ultimately the schematic values are only relevant to the HV method and output in joules.

wattsup

Added:

If I take this one step further, the trumpet waveform showing incremental power increase also confirms that the HV output is not overloading and possibly also not creating a backwards reflection though the flyback. As long as you can see a trumpet waveform, you will now the power is always moving forward. Actually you could say the HV output is under the spark threshold and needs time to accumulate. This is good because you are not wasting energy.

Now look at @stiveps last video with his 5 capacitors in parallel and he is using I think three HV diodes in parallel per direction fo rhis AV plug. He is passing much more juice with his HV transformer then you could do with the Katcher device. But it is all relative.

Also, the 30kH is because you have two diodes in the AV plug at 15kH each.

@wattsup,

I mostly agree with you. I already tried to increase the cap on AV plug and have seen that spike repetition rate decreases and of course the available HV increases. So all depends on optimizing the cap in order do not surcharge the SG and/or overload the HV source. At the moment I do not have a sealed SG with 5-6KV rating so I will have to use the standard mechanical air-gap approach much like that you showed. Of course like you said all is relative in the sense that working with a low HV is useful only to gain experience: in that case I did it

Yes, stivep is going for power and used diodes rated probably 100-200mA so he needed to increase that capability. In my case I used 15KV/150mA diodes...and checked they heated up to 40-50 degrees Centigrade after 10 minutes of operation.

My Kacher device is certainly not comparable with a standard flyback.....

Now, that I saw what to look for, its time to setup again the big dimmerable Ventex HV generator 6-9KV @30-40 KHz...OR a standard Variac/MOT unit...but only after all the necessary safety care fully applied.

Roberto

ronotte, what if you disconnect ground connection ?  does it come something from ground to charge capacitor ?

Hi All,

inspired by Woopy and OM Ronotte, and because i still had my kacher oscillator ready to fire up, i decided to try to replicate this trumpet waveform.

Following the instructions/diagrams given by both it was fairly easy to create this trumpet waveform, allthough the tuning (copper pipe / ferrite insite copper pipe and the 2 variable capacitors) is kind of critical.

I am not able to light any lights, but this is also not reported by either Woopy and Ronotte, just the creation of the trumpet waveform.

The video of the setup is here: http://youtu.be/vlXQjbUuqlw

The diagram of the setup used is attached.
 
 
 Regards Itsu

Hi all

Thank's Roberto (RONOTE ) for your   great input.

I am far from your knowllege but i try and test everythings which seems to have interesting value at my sight

so i go my way all  along this this very sinusoidal  way to  perhaps something better, and i have all my time and the limit is my death.

So, i will go on , looking of all your atmost interesting and magnific work  and try to contribute on my humbel level  "niveau"

good luck at all

Laurent

http://youtu.be/7mmUOJl7g6Q

From
Aidas Arunas Wesley


We will release beta version  of concept that is  on the table  being assembled right now


The group is working for the benefit of all of us.


Use of tyratron is not necessary  but serves similar role to controlled spark gap.


 More is to come soon.


Wesley