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Hope

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8895 on: November 19, 2011, 06:15:29 PM »
http://amasci.com/freenrg/a-vect2.html

This idea posted in the above link may have answers or may not, but I do know there is more pressure on the outside edge of the coils curve than the inside (is the same in river bends for example, where it tends to be much deeper on the outside curves than the inside curve).   

Wattsup  thank you Mr. for all your solid hands on efforts and sharing it with us all.

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« Reply #8896 on: November 19, 2011, 06:23:35 PM »
Excuse the double post, my modify button is not working???   

I want to say that this outside pressure of a coils curve is pushing outside the physical boundary of the conductor and is available to be attracted to a DIFFERENT conductor.  This would seem to make transferring it's characteristics or adding them to another conduction path a less restrictive process.  AND it also would make a kind of EMF vacuum on the inside curve that would have to somehow balance. 

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« Reply #8897 on: November 19, 2011, 08:55:59 PM »
1) I would like to use the full flexibility of the 50MHz FGs which have sine, triangle and square, up to 16vdc and variable duty.

This means that a digital buffer/amplifier is no good for you.

Apparently, you need an analog wide-bandwidth power amplifier (a design without tuned circuits)
The simple H-bridge circuit you've mentioned will work but it will distort your sine and triangle waveforms by crossover distortion:  See: Crossover Distortion



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« Reply #8898 on: November 19, 2011, 08:59:40 PM »
If a ferrite had high permittivity and high resistivity, it stands to reason that an applied electric field would force a spin alignment. If the material had high permittivity but low resistivity, I'm thinking free electrons would be pulled from of the atoms, and there would be no resulting spin alignment. If the material was low permittivity, there would be no dielectric behavior at all.

With the spin aligned in support of a magnetic field in a high permeability material, it stands to reason that it would become magnetic relative to the alignment. Using an electric field to spontaneously magnetize and demagnetize a material seems like a pretty important trick. An interesting aside: if the electric field was applied in a single ended fashion, the material might begin to develop a magnetic memory and would refuse to demagnetize completely. If the device were working by magnetizing and demagnetizing via an electric field, it would become less effective the more residual magnetization increased, and would eventually need to be degaussed to improve effectiveness. I think they mentioned that behavior. That should be pretty easy to prevent if the applied field was bipolar.

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« Reply #8899 on: November 19, 2011, 09:10:20 PM »
.For the period of next few days group will not  be able to handle  questions We are going to be very busy actually we are busy at this very moment started since yesterday.So far we have lost one good quality generator.
Second one is in very bad shape but  the work is  being done...

Wesley :)


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« Reply #8900 on: November 19, 2011, 09:12:10 PM »
...one has to consider why the primary is producing flyback in the first place. I think the flyback is due to the simple fact that the primary is being pulsed only from one side of the primary coil.

No, the primary is producing a high voltage spike because the driving circuit is trying to interrupt the current flow in the primary winding.

This primary winding is an inductor and inductors "don't like" to have their current interrupted (or even changed).  They will respond violently to any such attempt by increasing voltage to such an amount that the current remains unchanged
If that means several kilo Volts that will break down the open circuit and keep the current going in the same direction (e.g. by creating a spark in an air gap between the points of an opening switch) ...than so be it.  Alternatively, the current can keep flowing in another winding.

Conversely, if the current in an ideal inductor (coil/winding) is not interrupted, then it will circulate in such inductor forever. 
Of course real inductors have resistance, so current will not circulate forever because eventually the resistance will convert it all to heat.

So the answer to all inductive flyback spike problems is: "Do not open all the windings suddenly". At least one of them must conduct current.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2011, 09:34:20 PM by verpies »

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« Reply #8901 on: November 19, 2011, 10:31:15 PM »
If a ferrite had high permittivity and high resistivity, it stands to reason that an applied electric field would force a spin alignment. If the material had high permittivity but low resistivity, I'm thinking free electrons would be pulled from of the atoms, and there would be no resulting spin alignment. If the material was low permittivity, there would be no dielectric behavior at all.

With the spin aligned in support of a magnetic field in a high permeability material, it stands to reason that it would become magnetic relative to the alignment. Using an electric field to spontaneously magnetize and demagnetize a material seems like a pretty important trick. An interesting aside: if the electric field was applied in a single ended fashion, the material might begin to develop a magnetic memory and would refuse to demagnetize completely. If the device were working by magnetizing and demagnetizing via an electric field, it would become less effective the more residual magnetization increased, and would eventually need to be degaussed to improve effectiveness. I think they mentioned that behavior. That should be pretty easy to prevent if the applied field was bipolar.

YES.... ;-)

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« Reply #8902 on: November 19, 2011, 10:35:01 PM »

Here the data on my FG's:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ0lts5paDg

All 100 Khz,  probe 1x

Philips FG:

10 Ohm  Sine   4.8  V
        Square 5.04 V

100 Ohm Sine   20.4 V
        Square 20.8 V

China made FG:

10 Ohm  Sine   1.76 V
        Square 1.68 V 

100 Ohm Sine   6.8  V
        Square 6.96 V


Regards Itsu

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« Reply #8903 on: November 20, 2011, 12:00:15 AM »
@itsu

Using my three FGs, I can see that pulsing the T1 is more or less useless at the levels we are doing right up to 50MHz.

The best best best mix I have found so far is remarkably pulsing square waves on 15T and 50T at 150kHz range each. This gave me an output of 260 vdc off the bifilared 150T. OK, this is voltage only. Of course, the amps are minimal.

The only reaction on the 1T is at 20.6MHz where the waveform has a ripple in it but there is no increase in the output. So for me this really means the 1T effect will remain unknown until it is pulsed at HV.

In the image below, my scope is set to 5v, 2uS and probe at 10x. The volt meter is set to 600vdc. The two top FGs are at 150kHz. The 15T is getting 40%, the 50T is getting 50%. I am not pulsing the 1T. Maybe try to see it for yourself as well, just to see if we can get two same results or close enough.

Oh, the two LEDs are on yoke coils I removed when removing the ferrite and just put an LED on each. I use these to see the outer energy and frequency effects. Really niffty. Also, those two little white thingies to the right of the front LED are HV diodes. I found a guy that had four of them in a back drawer of his EE shop. I had to insist that he look around and was surprised himself to have them. You never know if you do not ask. I gave him 20$ for four diodes.

@verpies

Thanks for your comments on the circuit. I will see.

About the flyback flyback and HV out, well, I should not have posted what I did because it will always incite some controversy that may not be good on the thread right now and will not effect the outcome of our goal. Let's just leave it at that with thanks.

wattsup

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8904 on: November 20, 2011, 12:46:12 AM »
Here the data on my FG's:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ0lts5paDg

Your frequency generators are much stronger than Wattsup's (your Phillips SG is much stronger than the Chinese one). 
There is almost no waveform distortion at 10ohm load on both of them.

In hindsight I regret not asking you for a 1ohm load test, which is much closer to the actual winding resistance in the STAAAR device.

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« Reply #8905 on: November 20, 2011, 01:45:20 AM »
About the flyback and HV out, well, I should not have posted what I did because it will always incite some controversy that may not be good on the thread right now and will not effect the outcome of our goal. Let's just leave it at that with thanks.

The driving circuit for the HV TV flyback transformer is very much in-topic of this thread right now.
If you are willing to change your approach a little and forsake using your signal generator+amplifier to drive the primary winding of the flyback transformer, then you may try this simple efficient high power proven circuit.

If you use a variable capacitor for C1 then you can vary the oscillation frequency continuously, just like with a signal generator.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2011, 02:06:19 AM by verpies »

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« Reply #8906 on: November 20, 2011, 02:18:50 AM »
Hello everyone.


Last night, I was finally able to get around to winding my secondary. I figured that winding it with 15 AWG magnet wire would be a good idea so that it can handle the current but afterwards, I kind of realized that it was not such a good idea. My device looks like a mutated monster of sorts. Hahahaha. I was only able to fit 106 turns of wire.


So instead of redoing the windings, I decided to go ahead and test it a little. If nothing happened, then I would redo, if something did then I would wait on redoing the windings.


I am happy to report that something did in fact happen. In fact, I was able to get results similarly to what Wesley and team got. I had Jdo-300 check over my results before I posted this and he also concluded that my waveform looks similar to what Wesley and team got.  The only difference is that the amplitude of my results is much smaller then what Wesley and team had. However, with this data, I have something to go off of and I know know that there is a good possibility that it can work. Just need to do some fine tuning.


If I can not get any further with this, then I will most likely re-wind my secondary with either 20 or 22 AWG wire.


I should note that I got my results when the device was under load with a 25 W light bulb. The function generator could not supply enough wattage so the output is going through an 800 W audio amplifier and the output of that is connected to a transformer. Then the transformer's output is connected to the 15 turn coil. I currently do not have anything hooked up to the copper strip and the 50 turn coil has 72 kHz signal going into it. This frequency was found by placing the scope probe across the output of the secondary coil and having the output of the function generator hooked up to the 50 turn wire. Starting from 0 Hz, duty cycle = 50%, and output level = 100%, I would increase the frequency until the amplitude of the output waveform on the secondary is at it's highest.


Still need to do some fine tuning but I think that I might be close, hopefully.

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« Reply #8907 on: November 20, 2011, 02:21:54 AM »
Hello all,
Who said we are all theories in here?  ;D

I lack a decent signal generator, therefore i tried to assemble one, actually an high frequency inverter run in a forced mode, taking the pace by a Variable control oscillator.
Ok, not the best thing to have around in investigating ferrite's singing frequency, but it gives an idea what the STAAR team should do in order to dispence with the FG ect and make a stand alone unit. :) 






Make half bridge instead of trying to drive a tuned LC then you will have a square driver over a 2 meg range using the VCO of PLL.


CD4046BE




Description: IC, 4000 CMOS, 4046, DIP16, 18V; PLL Type:VCO; Frequency:2.4MHz; Supply Current:10mA; Supply Voltage Range:3V to 18V


 I  would also definitely use FET drivers to make sure the fets turn on and off as sharp as possible. 


I use this as standard.


 MICROCHIP  TC4428AEPA   MOSFET DRIVER, 1.5A, DUAL, HS, 8-DIP; Device Type:MOSFET; Module Configuration:Low Side; Peak Output Current:1.5A; Output Resistance:7ohm; Input Delay:30ns; Output Delay:30ns; Supply Voltage Range:4.5V to 18V; Driver

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Its a dual driver invert/non with 2 inputs so it can be driven from a single clock source to provide push push or push pull driving with crossover hysteresis build in.


Fets use whatever you got but i like to use FQP12N60C MOSFET, N, TO-220; Transistor Polarity:N Channel; Continuous Drain Current Id:12A; Drain Source Voltage Vds:600V; On Resistance Rds(on):530mohm; Rds(on) Test Voltage Vgs:10V; Threshold Voltage Vgs Typ:4V;     because they are dirt cheap with good spec.


Something i grabbed below to illustrate. C1 and C2 is usually quite big like 470uf and splits the rails. One side of the coil is tied to the spilt rail the other side via a DC isolation like 1uf.   The transformer shown here of course is not required but can in fact be used to give better impedance matching into the ferrite.

Basically anyone that has bought or using a standard sig gen MUST use some kind of an amplifier like this to pump at least 10 watts into the coils.     The blurb from the website about this topology says: "  The main difference of the half-bridge converter is that it utilizes two large bulk capacitors (C1 and C2). These capacitors are connected so that each one is in series with one of the transistors. This means that power can be transferred to the output during the on-time for each transistor, which increases efficiencies to the 90% range. Since center-tapped transformers are not used, the problem with flux unbalance is also eliminated. These advantages also allow this type of converter to be utilized in power supplies up to 1000 Watts."                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
« Last Edit: November 20, 2011, 03:53:13 AM by bolt »

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« Reply #8908 on: November 20, 2011, 05:29:38 AM »
.For the period of next few days group will not  be able to handle  questions We are going to be very busy actually we are busy at this very moment started since yesterday.So far we have lost one good quality generator.
Second one is in very bad shape but  the work is  being done...

Wesley :)
Can I give you advice? Just ask Tiger to help how to tuning his devices! You could also visit him in Kazakstan! Do you have his address - if you don't - just ask me
Yours truly

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8909 on: November 20, 2011, 05:31:48 AM »
Yep, I am going to be re-doing my secondary windings