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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16493074 times)


verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8836 on: November 17, 2011, 06:41:47 PM »
What about the 50 hz frequency? In the end, it is the 50 hz volatge frequency that climbs up to KV range (without any load attached). Impedances at those 50 hz are not worthy to be mentioned at constraining currents at those 50turns primary or 15turns from inrushing the signal generators.

Yeees.
This is a highly unconventional behavior.
Conventionally, the high impedance of the 15t coil @ 50Hz could be explained with a very high effective inductance, most likely caused by very high permeability of the core.

...but we know that the core has very low permeability (see Osiakosia measurements) and Itsu's experiments show how the low frequency waveform from the signal generator collapses when shorted by such low inductance (low impedance) winding.

The only non-sociological explanation is that the other perpendicular windings do something to the the core material to increase its effective permeability dramatically.

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« Reply #8837 on: November 17, 2011, 06:43:22 PM »
I have translated the text of dynatron to understand how it works

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« Reply #8838 on: November 17, 2011, 06:47:04 PM »

 You are starting to get the idea now. Tesla figured out that to either side of this surface is polarized fields. His bifilar winding takes advantage of both polarities and orients them in the same direction. You could think of this like this: through the fans equator is a plane of electric field. The coils around the outside are what creates the fan blades so to speak. They still need counter rotating coils to increase the effect of the twisting fields for collection. They are trying to only collect the momentum of the fields instead of collecting them in coils especially made for that, they are missing half the extraction and almost all of the potential of the fields. Collection should be on both sides of the ferric ring using bifilar winding so that each field can be extracted from each side of the surface they created with the HV pulses then swirled via the copper winding. When this is done they will see the true power that these fields contain.

Very correct idea!

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8839 on: November 17, 2011, 08:06:51 PM »
Very [color=rgb(0, 0, 255) !important]correct[/color] idea! Right direction!

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« Reply #8840 on: November 17, 2011, 09:12:26 PM »
Collection should be on both sides of the ferric ring using bifilar winding so that each field can be extracted from each side of the surface they created with the HV pulses then swirled via the copper winding. When this is done they will see the true power that these fields contain.

That needs to be confirmed or declined by experiment. But only after you get first half like our team did :)

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« Reply #8841 on: November 17, 2011, 09:25:52 PM »
I would say this site here seems to offer a very relevant discussion of what we are working on... Almost identical if you ask me:

http://amasci.com/freenrg/a-vect2.html

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8842 on: November 17, 2011, 10:06:28 PM »
Yeees.
This is a highly unconventional behavior.
Conventionally, the high impedance of the 15t coil @ 50Hz could be explained with a very high effective inductance, most likely caused by very high permeability of the core.

...but we know that the core has very low permeability (see Osiakosia measurements) and Itsu's experiments show how the low frequency waveform from the signal generator collapses when shorted by such low inductance (low impedance) winding.

The only non-sociological explanation is that the other perpendicular windings do something to the the core material to increase its effective permeability dramatically.


Nice potentional explanation of the fact that FG are not affected by the 50Hz @ Kv range voltage, but again makes no sense to me. If that core pearmitability would increase daramatically allowing no current to "move" at 50 Hz, how the bulb is lighted at the end? Obviously by current.


Try connecting FG leads at mains. Will they be burned? :D

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8843 on: November 17, 2011, 10:08:19 PM »
That needs to be confirmed or declined by experiment. But only after you get first half like our team did :)


 Yes I agree. But as you know Tesla did most of them experiments already with a working device. However simple it may seem he did it already. You just have to look at his style of experimenting. Also one needs to remember that most patents are not complete. They merely point out the basics. That was the patent I showed you by Tesla. That system of self generation of high voltages into high voltage field coils shows how he was negating The Lorentz force which doesn't show up when High voltages are used. Simply having the high current coils exposed to the high voltage fields negates Lorentz force through induction. So there is no feed back to the high voltage generator or exciter in the patents case. The rotor is the high current coils and they soak up all of the high voltage fields in that process if it is balanced correctly.


 Also Tesla seems to have shown that high voltages don't need a return wire either. The mass of the receiving coils if balanced properly will allow for all high voltage field to be converted with little stray field left over. Of course this has to do with two different metals. Aluminum= very efficient transmitter of high voltage/shield if not connected to anything (floating ground) and copper= converter for the high voltage field based on inductive capabilities of copper.


 The secret seems to be where you use the metals in that patent. Field/emitting=aluminum wrapped around circular Ferris or iron core and copper wrapped around Ferris or iron core= field collection. The orientation of the collecting coil is also a clue. 90 degree angle always from each coil. Same goes for the emitter field cores. In this patent you can see it all in action even a self driven portion.


 http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine


 Even though this patent has distinct parts it can be included all in one device. It is a steady state motor and when you change that state by loading down the rotor or check the speed it forces the rotor coils to amass a great current in it. This of course can be fed back into the drive section or motor. The rest can be connected to another ring to convert the up and down undulation of that surface into a positive feed only, to be used in another section of the vehicle.


 The timing is all automatic in this patent the only other thing that could change the operating parameters is the mass differences between the two metals and surface area as well of those coils. Get those right and it auto tunes to a steady state. Try to slow down the rotor and bingo the copper coils cut more whirling lines and generate tons more current. Spin the rotor in the opposite direction of the lines and they put out huge amounts of current, hence the motor drive.

 If you read the patent it tells you this is not the AC system they would like you to believe it is. This is the improvement to that system. This was to be our answer to the energy crisis. He left it for us.
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8844 on: November 17, 2011, 10:13:00 PM »
Mini powerful experience DINATRON

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QImgCHFXYa8

whats the purpose of this device dynatron schmatic is posted before, I do not see load ?!

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« Reply #8845 on: November 18, 2011, 12:14:02 AM »
Try connecting FG leads at mains. Will they be burned? :D

~1kV will very likely damage the outputs of the signal generators, unless their engineers/creators protected its outputs with e.g. varistors or zener diodes.

...but wait a minute, are you sure the ~1kV appears at the winding that is driven by the signal generator? 
Maybe ~1kV appears only at the output of the secondary 150t bifilar winding?   ...and aren't they using HV high-attenuation scope probes ?

That's why I keep asking for those captions at the bottom of the inventor's videos. 
If those captions were there, we would know at all times what is measured and what winding is connected to what ?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8846 on: November 18, 2011, 12:38:15 AM »
~1kV will very likely damage the outputs of the signal generators, unless their engineers/creators protected its outputs with e.g. varistors or zener diodes.

Of course one can do many things to protect a circuitry by HV at low frequency as correctly you said (zeners, varistors or even blocking capacitors of very small capacitance -high pass-)
Why no mention it so far?

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...but wait a minute, are you sure the ~1kV appears at the winding that is driven by the signal generator? 
Maybe ~1kV appears only at the output of the secondary 150t bifilar winding?   ...and aren't they using HV high-attenuation scope probes ?

Yes i am sure.  In the second "part" of the english translated video, at 42:00 - 44:00 when getting nice sine resonance at biffilar it goes (as Wesley descibes about the usage of attenuation probe 1:1000) above 6 Kv (biffilar) at 1.1 MHz. I can accept that.
 
At the end of video with the use of mains transformer for getting thse 50 Hz at 15 turns primary, @ 1:31:00 the biffilar forms some 10 Kv if i get it right.
Since all have been wound on same core, the 50 turns and the 15 turns should share more or less a 50/150 and 15/150 voltage ratio of those huge Kvs. Not to mention the examined biffilar coil set is nowhere near 150 turns.
No?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8847 on: November 18, 2011, 01:52:03 AM »
Since all have been wound on same core, the 50 turns and the 15 turns should share more or less a 50/150 and 15/150 voltage ratio of those huge Kvs. Not to mention the examined biffilar coil set is nowhere near 150 turns.
No?

Yes, in a conventional transformer the voltage in the secondary is related to the voltage in the primary by the turns ratio, and this relation is bidirectional.
According to this, 10kV in a 21turn secondary would mean more than 7kV in the 15turn primary. I doubt a SG's output would survive that... unfortunately I don't think that anybody stuck an oscilloscope probe directly to the output of the SG to confirm the existence of high voltages, when it was happening.

However this is not a conventional transformer, because there is large leakage inductance due to the air gaps and that breaks the turn-ratio rule. Also the capacitances forming loosely coupled LC oscillators have large degrees of freedom, thus large pumped resonance amplitudes can develop there.  This is in addition to the possibly undiscovered effects happening in the material of the core due to the rotating magnetic fields and orthogonal HV E-fields.

Thus it is conceivable that in this device the turns-ratio rule has been broken and is no longer bidirectional.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8848 on: November 18, 2011, 02:46:22 AM »



 You are absolutely right! It is not Bi-directional anymore because the response from the environment is being sucked into the Bifilar wind. I don't think Tesla got that far in his experiments. He was of the thinking that for each positive there is an equal response to that positive. But I think it is all positive just of differing levels of positives. The Tesla switch proves that you can run things from 2+'s as long as there is a conduction path in common and a one way flow. In this case the path in mass is the environment we are immersed in. The one way flow is the bifilar coil, it harvests both ends of the spectrum into one direction we choose.


 Now you can never go beyond what the matter can tolerate, this thing will heat up as has been shown in the videos. The report of the Pierce Arrow experiment made by Tesla in NY state should have been proof enough. Most good accounts of the event go into detail how the motor needed a special fan on the front to improve the air flow for cooling. Unfortunately this car was never found or if it was no one wanted it to be found and got rid of it. The only thing that Tesla removed was the tubes after the Test. He parked the vehicle in a barn and grab the tubes and walked away.


 This was the test of the patent that he revisited because no one wanted his wireless energy. After all He knew Industrial america wouldn't go for the free version.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8849 on: November 18, 2011, 10:11:57 AM »
Yes, in a conventional transformer the voltage ...
Hello Verpie, i do not really want to push you against the wall since you are a charming member of this forum. Maybe what you say is not impossible rather than impropable.

i would wait for an asnwer from the STAAR team with measurments etc. After all, time reveals everything :)