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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 12858701 times)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8535 on: November 09, 2011, 10:03:26 PM »
Method #2

Apparently the effect is reciprocal and can be measured either by method #1 or method #2.

It would be an interesting experiment to compare if both measurement methods yield the same frequencies.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8536 on: November 09, 2011, 11:16:58 PM »
If it is a multi-plate air capacitor then it will be limited to approximately 3000 Volts.
This is assuming that the distance between the plates is 1mm.

Air breakdown (sparking) will occur above 3kV/mm and corona discharges will begin even below this breakdown voltage. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peek%27s_law

This is most likely why one of the inventors suggested removing every other plate of the air capacitor in order to increase the distance between the remaining plates.

Re: pt.2)
The paper in the "paper gap" must be impregnated with oranometallic compounds of the element 115 or it will not undergo permeability modulation and hence will not produce pseudoscalar waves which are essential for the operation of the device ;)

 i justm ade some experiments and 50 hz is TOTALLY USELESS

its short circuit for such coil ,,.
and it is impossible to get waveform on the output coil like they got...


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8537 on: November 10, 2011, 12:32:24 AM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8538 on: November 10, 2011, 01:35:31 AM »
I just made some experiments and 50Hz is TOTALLY USELESS

its short circuit for such coil ,,.
and it is impossible to get waveform on the output coil like they got...

Yes, it would seem impossible with the 15turn coil alone, because at 50Hz this coil has such a low impedance that it appears as a short circuit to the weak signal generator.

However, if the 382kHz frequency somehow changes the rules of the game, e.g. by significantly increasing the effective permeability of the ferrite through some exotic effect, then this changes the big picture. 
In this expanded picture, the 15turn coil stops appearing as a low inductance and low impedance load (short circuit) for the signal generator, and the HF 382kHz oscillation starts riding on top of the LF 50Hz oscillation.
See:
http://www.jjgifford.com/expressions/geometry/wave_addition.html
http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/2_pirmine_iskociojimas_pjuklas__50_hercu.jpg

So your observation about the apparently devastating short circuit at 50Hz, might turn out to be good news after all, as it shows us a contradiction that we can sink out teeth in.
The very existence of this contradiction/impossibility explains the inventor's emphasis on the tuning of the LF by +/- few Hertz, that always seemed enigmatic and unnecessary to me.
See the inventor's quote below:

Quote from: freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas
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Tune  +/- few Hertz on it and see where this frequency starts carrying frequency from coil of 51 turns .

The above instruction is unusual because in normally summed waveforms, the HF will ride on top of LF always without any difficulty and the success of this waveform addition is independent of their frequency ratio and phase difference.

BTW: Because of the language barrier, the inventors wrongly call the effect of Waveform Addition as "carrying", instead of "riding on top". 
This wrongly suggests that the LF is some kind of a "carrier wave".
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_wave

The impossibility that you had just pointed out might provide a key to understanding the tuning of the whole contraption.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2011, 05:41:27 AM by verpies »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8539 on: November 10, 2011, 02:00:47 AM »
  Guys:
  Is it right to assume that a yoke coil from a 34 inch crt Tv would be something useful for this purpose, or not?  As my Tv has burnt and shorted the wires on this big ferrite yoke coil, and I have it removed it from the Tv and is available for this use.
   I realize that it is not the same as the ones shown and used, but since I have it, I would like to use it, if possible. Any advice is welcome.
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8540 on: November 10, 2011, 02:08:40 AM »
Once the user Osiakosia measures the resistance and inductance/permeability of the original ferrite, you will be able to see how similar your ferrite is to the original.

If these differences are not great and no other hidden properties determine the suitability of the original ferrite, then yours just might work.

Because your ferrite is larger than the original and most likely has higher permeability, expect lower LC resonance frequencies (lower is easier to work with)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8541 on: November 10, 2011, 03:02:31 AM »
  @ Verpies:
   Thank you for your interest and your reply. I will keep that in mind, and await the results of the test readings.  Any other advice anyone may have is most welcome, as I too am very interested in pursuing this project, but do not have all the test instruments that may be needed.  I would still be willing to take a stab at it though.
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8542 on: November 10, 2011, 06:57:30 AM »
Hello everyone,

Sorry for going dark for a bit but I have been a little busy lately. I am still building my device in case anyone is wondering

Recently, I was able to get my ferrite yoke cut in half. I did it on a wet saw which is also used to cut ceramic tile (in case anyone was wondering). Took me a while to find a place that had a wet saw that I could use but I eventually went to Home Depot and was able to use one of their machines.

After getting the yoke cut, I went on to make the copper strip. The strip width is 0.787 in on both sides and there is a little strip of copper (also with a width of 0.787) connecting the two together. You should be able to see where it is in the pictures as there will be a bump in the tape. Also, there are tabs extending from the copper so that it is much easier for me to clip on alligator clips to the copper. For the tape, I used black electrical tape. I should also note that before I put taped up the copper strip, I placed a layer of the electrical tape onto the ferrite yoke. Essentially, the copper strip is sandwiched between two layers of tape.

I plan on winding the coils onto the yoke today. Hopefully, I will finish the primary coils today.

(Also, sorry about how big the picture size was on my last post to anyone who has a slow internet connect. I didn't realize that my picture was going to be that big. I re sized these pictures so that they are much smaller compared to the originals.)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8543 on: November 10, 2011, 07:38:00 AM »
After getting the yoke cut, I went on to make the copper strip. The strip width is 0.787 in on both sides and there is a little strip of copper (also with a width of 0.787) connecting the two together. You should be able to see where it is in the pictures as there will be a bump in the tape.

Please note that your copper strips are on the conical part of the ferrite.
The inventors of the device put the copper strips on the cylindrical part of the ferrite, where the strips can be parallel to each other. (slightly away from the edge, too)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8544 on: November 10, 2011, 08:56:24 AM »
@all: Let me put an important question: whether the ferrite core saturated by the HV impuse or not or just the operating point moved to the strongly nonlinear range on the BH curve?
Thanks.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8545 on: November 10, 2011, 10:27:13 AM »
All,
I am quite confident that you will not have a detailed plan and decent explanation why it works and what-to-do.
Otherwise you would have this already.
All the information we see on this forum regarding recent succesfull replication is provided in a very haotic and unprofessional manner.
Instead of clear explanation: "guys, this is how it works, the source of excess energ is ....., please see detailed schematic with pictures and do replication this way:... ect." - what we have?
Pieces and bits of info here and there,lot of videos, lot of "educate-youself-links".People claiming that they have an answer and working device -instead giving full explanation, engage in discussions with individuals.
Target is slowly "dissolving".
Information instead to be placed in one piece, is smeared through dozens of pages and replies.
I don't understand this.

Stivep, Zilano, T-1000
Please if you are willing to share, and you have a working  unit- try to condense and detail all necessary information in one document.
Not everyone on this forum have your level of expertise and such fancy testing equipment in large amounts.
People have limited resources to fail with their replications,just because information given is incomplete.For example,recently a lot of people was asking how do you phase lock two Vellemanns function generators.

How do you want to "improve the world and give energy indenpendency to the people" in a such messy and chaotic way?
Regards,
Pix
Hey people,As I said, no clear reply from "originators.
People strugglin to do succesfull replication because of incomplete information given..
I see now people everywhere looking for old TV sashing them into pieces for yoke.
This is ridiculus!
pix

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8546 on: November 10, 2011, 10:35:53 AM »
Hey people,As I said, no clear reply from "originators.
People strugglin to do succesfull replication because of incomplete information given..
I see now people everywhere looking for old TV sashing them into pieces for yoke.
This is ridiculus!
pix

It is, and yet they hold the cards.
They give us incomplete data so we can only run around wasting time and money trying everything or as I am and you are doing, moan about it.

The world doesn't have free energy, not because none have ever discovered it, but because those who do reliably keep secrets.

And on it goes, how much longer can the world hold out, waiting for someone to discover it that isn't playing games.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8547 on: November 10, 2011, 10:36:11 AM »
Yes, it would seem impossible with the 15turn coil alone, because at 50Hz this coil has such a low impedance that it appears as a short circuit to the weak signal generator.

However, if the 382kHz frequency somehow changes the rules of the game, e.g. by significantly increasing the effective permeability of the ferrite through some exotic effect, then this changes the big picture. 
In this expanded picture, the 15turn coil stops appearing as a low inductance and low impedance load (short circuit) for the signal generator, and the HF 382kHz oscillation starts riding on top of the LF 50Hz oscillation.
See:
http://www.jjgifford.com/expressions/geometry/wave_addition.html
http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/2_pirmine_iskociojimas_pjuklas__50_hercu.jpg

So your observation about the apparently devastating short circuit at 50Hz, might turn out to be good news after all, as it shows us a contradiction that we can sink out teeth in.
The very existence of this contradiction/impossibility explains the inventor's emphasis on the tuning of the LF by +/- few Hertz, that always seemed enigmatic and unnecessary to me.
See the inventor's quote below:

The above instruction is unusual because in normally summed waveforms, the HF will ride on top of LF always without any difficulty and the success of this waveform addition is independent of their frequency ratio and phase difference.

BTW: Because of the language barrier, the inventors wrongly call the effect of Waveform Addition as "carrying", instead of "riding on top". 
This wrongly suggests that the LF is some kind of a "carrier wave".
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_wave

The impossibility that you had just pointed out might provide a key to understanding the tuning of the whole contraption.

Also I cant see ferroresonance, it may be 5 Mhz.., but am not usre if thats shield resonance.

Because I get 5 mhz at shield only when I connect third harmonic of 5 mhz to 51 turn coil, at 25 turn coil it does not work (put many turns outputs for variations), when I use 75 turn coil I get nothing at shield, when I used 25 turn coil signal is little higher than 5 mhz

Also signal at shield contatin HF about 25 Mhz (and even higher and loweroscillations) and 5 Mhz..   HF part appears with just one wire to 51 turn coil, or even when core is physically near to drivin circuit

25Mhz oscllation VRMS is higher than 5 Mhz which looks like sine .

Connecting capacitor paralel to shield kills that 25 Mhz oscillations, and do not change 5 mhz frequency much

maybe tigers approach is BETTER, use sparg gap always, and you dont have to tune anything. It has all the spectrum and I will try spark gap to shield, and 50 hz...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8548 on: November 10, 2011, 10:38:39 AM »
Original inentors went away, and they dont even BOTHER to answer our questions  >:( :(

Thats sad  :(

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8549 on: November 10, 2011, 11:29:03 AM »
Sorry to ask a silly question.
If the inventor was capable of producing 5kw of electricity why the guy in the video (some sort of friend of the invetor) shows only 60-100W output?

What is the highest output replicated so far ?

Thanks.

 

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