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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 12742649 times)

Offline Jimboot

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8340 on: November 06, 2011, 09:19:15 AM »
Please pay attention to video  from Tiger_2007 he is also in "Wesley team"  and he is most important person in team because he is inventor of this Youki looks like device! Be honest!
Sorry mate! Not a deliberate omission. Didn't mean to offend. I will also pay close attention to @tiger_2007

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8341 on: November 06, 2011, 10:28:24 AM »
1. Sinus wave.
2. http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/3_pirmine_iskociojimas_pjuklas.jpg - input is square, output is sinus in resonance.
3. http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/4_spagep_kontur.jpg - you can emulate HV discharge with wave like this. We skipped that in experiment, 1.+2. (2.5W+2.5W) was enough to light up 150W halogen.


Don't you use for 3. capacitor in paralel so that 90 degree coil self oscillate at its own natural LC frequency which is given by spectral analysis

1. 2.5W for 50 hz sine (the same for 380 khz), HOW is that possible, if sine has higher amplitude than 380 khz signal ? Also ferrite coil impedance is MUCH MUCH lower for such low frequency ? ???

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8342 on: November 06, 2011, 12:19:25 PM »
Don't you use for 3. capacitor in paralel so that 90 degree coil self oscillate at its own natural LC frequency which is given by spectral analysis
1. 2.5W for 50 hz sine (the same for 380 khz), HOW is that possible, if sine has higher amplitude than 380 khz signal ? Also ferrite coil impedance is MUCH MUCH lower for such low frequency ? ???

I don't think the inventors have measured the power fed to the LF and HF primary windings.

To do that, they would have to take simultaneous oscilloscope readings of the current and voltage in the primary circuits and multiply these readings sample by sample (multiplying the average readings taken by e.g a DMMs would be a grievous error!).

Instead, the inventors just rely on the maximum power rating of their signal generators which are rated 10V @ 250mA, for power limit estimation.
If this power rating is true and there are no unexpected differential voltages BETWEEN the two generator outputs, then indeed they are limited to supplying 2.5W of power per generator.

It is very likely that if the inventors had actually measured the true power delivered by the signal generators to the primary windings with a multiplying oscilloscope, then they would find out that e.g. one delivers 1W and the other delivers 2W. 

In any case, it is a safe bet for the inventors to claim that input power is no more than 2.5W.  ...and it is a good habit to overstate the input power in OU claims. (and understate the output power).


Now, regarding the capacitors on the 1 turn Braid winding:

This winding (a shorted transmission line actually) will apparently resonate by itself. 

I would expect that the Braid winding stimulated with a transient sharp rectangular pulse, would ring with a 1.6Mhz sinewave on the falling edge of that rectangular pulse, without any capacitors in parallel
I like to call this ringing frequency - the Ferrite Resonant Frequency (FRF) although it is apparently the resonance of  a shorted transmission line with a complex ferrimagnetic medium (with multitude of unconventional effects).

The capacitors in parallel with that Braid winding are there apparently to lower the FRF of 1.6MHz to the Braid Resonant Frequency (BRF) of 382kHz, making the BRF the 4th subharmonic of FRF. 
( FRF / BRF = 4 )

Apparently resonating the Braid winding at the full FRF is impractical for some reasons.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2011, 12:47:45 PM by verpies »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8343 on: November 06, 2011, 01:15:36 PM »
I don't think the inventors have measured the power fed to the LF and HF primary windings.

Also @ Grizly,
From scope shots in both cases, since the channel 1 of the digital PC based o-scope is used the volt/div is 20V.

...
I have already asked this question. IMO its best to clarify power measurements to have a reference ground. Its good for all :)

I explain. Maybe the Signal Generators are destined for 10v p-p at fraction of amp, but during the resonant rise of the windings (that effectively can be depicted as parallel LC tanks circuits in impedance terms) the voltage at:
 
-Primary A 50 Hz 15 turn is 120 Volts p-p or some 40-45 Volts AC (rough estimate)

-Primary B 380Khz 50 turns is 75p-p or some 28 Volts AC

So, in my view, if the SG manages somehow (without burned obviously) to feed Primary A @ (say) some 0.25 Amps (while in resonant rise) at those 120v p-p (as oscillograms suggest) or 45 AC then the power in would be some 11w and not 2.5watt

Respectively the Primary B would input some 6.5watts if fed with 0.25A at those 28V AC (35v+ p-p)
ANyway those figures if true, clearly they suggest OU.
....

Anyway, we expect fully exploration and documentation of the effect by the TK replication team and potential other replicators.
Tinkering at its full glory :)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8344 on: November 06, 2011, 01:34:21 PM »
Hi all my Name is Kultus ("The Kultus" from youtube), a member of your forum brought to my attention via a post from wattsup that I may be of use to help in wiring up Flyback transformers for use within your projects circuitry.

 I am into overunity projects of my own as some of you may know from my Utube Vids, but I will offer to you all my help in any way I can.
I will say it now I am not a educated man.... However I am a person who sees things for what they are and are not held back by rules of physics as they are not known to me, if I build something and I see a result it is what it is.

@Wattsup, if you would like to post or send to me a copy of your schematic I will do my best to help you wire up your FB to your device.   getting the resonance right is going to be the hardest, but if I follow the idea correctly you can achieve this with a variable condenser (air capacitor (although I like to think of capacitors and condensers are 2 different things ))

I will get back to reading this forum from he beginning, this may take a few days..weeks lol.. if anyone wants to bring me up to speed on where we are heading with this, that would be great too.

@KultusNagrand

You're late. Just jokin bro.

Don't read from page 1. That would be too painful or as I had written somewhere before, it would be tantamount to suicide (lol). Just go back 20-30 pages. 50 if you are daring.

The image below is a grab of the three files I had open on my desktop when I was working all this out.

First I replicated your diagram (right) using my flyback (left) and it did work really well. You'll see those in the back pages. Then I started trying to migrate this flyback into @T-1000's diagram (center). The flyback actually survived those trials although I was never able to get the center circuit working.  But I burned the flyback trying some other variations that the flyback really did not like. It happens. So now I need to find the best flyback for the center diagram. Notice the flyback does not have any internal diodes or other components. The primary needs a center tap and there should be two taps on the secondary. The HV is simple succession but look how the negative of the HV side is going though the flyback secondary that has the tapped capacitor.

Also, you don't really have to start taking apart all your yokes since guys have them easily available locally. If you are going to do a build, then find a nice yoke and a flyback that can fit the center circuit.

This project is in transition right now with everything being discovered as we go along. I am still wondering how the final circuit diagram will look like with the Yoke Coil and I have several questions about the yoke build before I wind the coils. Welcome aboard and all the best.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8345 on: November 06, 2011, 02:19:37 PM »
@baroutologos

Regarding the FG outputs, my FGs gives me 16v or 8v p-p. The way I use my FG is simple for me to see if there is any OU before I need to do more exhaustive input and output measurements. For me it is simple because I always use the same output strategy which is my diode to capacitor with a LED bank as load. I already know that when I connect my FG directly to the load, the maximum I can get as steady voltage on the capacitor with load is around 9.34 volts with the load on. So during my testing, if I see the voltage rise to that level or more, then I know I have something special since I use a small 10uF 370v capacitor that acts as the RMS agent. This way I can do low level testing, find resonance frequencies, measure output and see where the best settings are, then it is to re-do the same with a solo setup if the preliminary results warrant it. In my last video with the standard yoke coils, I managed to get it up around 8.65v by shorting the analog coil of 50 turns. I will know soon enough once I have a yoke wired up like @T-1000.

@all

Well I have my other Yoke.

OK, I know guys want to theorize in the last few pages but there is no point to that. The doing will tell it all and right now, for us,  @T-1000 has the highest insight. Once I make my coil, I will do some hunting.

Just to have an idea, can anyone with a built yoke of 18 awg wire, please check your coils for ohmage and if possible inductance. I have not wound mine yet cause I have to get the wire but the type of wire is my present questioning. To know the type of wire, I need to know why or how this fits into a circuit in an effort to build the Yoke Coil with the lest checkmates possible. That I don't have. So what do we do?

I see that @T-1000 wound his yoke using the same 18 awg stranded wire for all three coils and he is using a copper strip, while I see @stivep using single strand wire and his strip is a thick braided grounded lead. So which way to go. What I am really worried about is the copper or braided strip that is going to receive the high voltage. Well the copper strip is not insulated and what will happen when the HV hits it. It may be causing internal arcing. The same goes for the braided strip which would be even worst. So I am thinking that the copper strip should have some coating to isolate it from the two primary winds. @T-1000 fixed that problem with his wire be plastic coated but the wire is stranded and not single strand. So I guess all this will be part of the R&D aspect.

So for me the most logical is as follows;

1) Copper strip must be insulated with not more then one layer of electrical tape and the strip should be long enough so the actual HV connections can be made as far away from the Yoke as possible.

2) 15 turns - Well the build says to put the 50Hz there but my preliminary FG tests show that the 15 should receive the highest frequency. I tried it the other way and the results where not good. High frequency does not require many winds to impart the effect. Even a few turns would do the same job. So I think I will put single strand but since it is only 15 turns that will be on the top, this can be changed quickly to other wire types if required.

3) 50 turns - The build says put the HF here but as discussed above, I am not sure about that. Since this 50 turns wind goes on first, I will use magnet wire to get the greatest punch effect against the copper strip and yoke.

4) 150 turns - This coil will be on the other yoke half so it will be best to just put magnet wire on that one. The only thing is how to make the bifilar wind. When you wind the first layer from left to right, do you continue to wind the second layer from right to left or do you go back to left and wind to the right again. That is my main question for the 150 turns. Also when we say 150 turns bifilar, does this mean the output coil will have a total of 300 turns?

My main worry is when the HV is connected and how the copper strip will act against the other winds. Anyways I have three FGs so I can do the low level tests pulsing the copper strip and the two primaries.

wattsup


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8346 on: November 06, 2011, 02:20:18 PM »

Baroutologos


I don't think the Primary A 50 Hz 15 turns coil is driven into resonance.
My 15 turns has an inductance of 120 uF and a natural resonance frequency of 1.550 Mhz (1550 Khz).
The calculated capacitance of the turns is then 87 pF.
To get this coil resonating on 50 Hz would mean to add 85 mF (= milli Farad) of capacitance.

Another indication that this Primary A 50 Hz coil is not being driven in resonance is the fact that
T-1000 states in reply #8349 that it is been driven by a Sinus Wave.

Perhaps T-1000 can confirm this.

Another observation i make is that the resonance of the ferrite when measuring the 2 copper plates/strips/braid
is 5.785 Mhz in my case, so not in the 1 - 2 Mhz range mentioned.
I measured this with my scope and FG, the scope both in scope mode as well as in FTT (spectrum) mode.

Could be that my yoke from a recent computer monitor has different spec's, but when looking to the "spagep kontur.jpg"
scope shot in reply #8043 (page 537) i see a nice (resonance?) sine wave of 7.58Mhz when appearently driven by a
FG frequency of 1.660 Mhz (ramp wave).

To me this means that also here the ferrite resonance frequency is in the 5-7 Mhz range.
Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8347 on: November 06, 2011, 02:54:02 PM »
Thanks for the warm welcome Wattsup, Sad to hear you burnt out your Flyback, this raises a couple of questions for me to ask you though, hopefully we can save your next one...

did you have the flyback immersed in oil ?

if not, the pin outs at the bottom,  were they arcing out? (most comon cause of death with a Fb is pinouts arcing from the HV ground and sending low KVs though the primary wind they really don't like that)

lastly what diode were you using in my circuit ?

I will take a good look at T1000's circuit tomorrow after a good read of the forum and good dose of sleep. Maybe if he reads this post over night or if anyone can tell me can throw me a line as to what is going on with the Sec winding, HV winding and the circuit half to the lower left of his schematic, I cannot see how the FB's HV and sec winding are even interacting with the rest of the circuit, it seems to be of 2 complete halfs with no connection.

anyhow off to bed. I will check back in the morning.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8348 on: November 06, 2011, 03:25:28 PM »
So, in my view, if the SG manages somehow (without burned obviously) to feed Primary A @ (say) some 0.25 Amps (while in resonant rise) at those 120v p-p (as oscillograms suggest) or 45 AC then the power in would be some 11w and not 2.5watt
Thanks

This is very wrong !

45 Volts * 0.25 Amps is not always 11.25 Watts in AC circuits.
Volts * Amps = Watts is true only for DC circuits !

I don't think the inventors have measured the power fed to the LF and HF primary windings.

To do that, they would have to take simultaneous oscilloscope readings of the current and voltage in the primary circuits and multiply these readings sample by sample (multiplying the average readings taken by e.g a DMMs would be a grievous error!).

In AC circuits, average Voltage * Current is not always Power, even if the current and voltage are measured with True RMS meters, because those meters still measure average values! 

Even if one accounts for the phase difference between the average current and voltage, it is not possible to calculate true power in an AC circuit if all waveforms are not perfect sinewaves.

Measuring power in non-DC circuits requires multiplication of the instantaneous current and voltage.
To understand this you must understand the difference between:
- Instantenous voltage VERSUS average voltage.
- Instantenous current VERSUS average current.

Failure to differentiate between these concepts can easily lead to power measurements that are miscalculated by 1000%

I see this mistake made over and over by my students.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2011, 03:58:43 PM by verpies »

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« Reply #8349 on: November 06, 2011, 03:42:19 PM »
Thanks for the warm welcome Wattsup, Sad to hear you burnt out your Flyback, this raises a couple of questions for me to ask you though, hopefully we can save your next one...

did you have the flyback immersed in oil ?

if not, the pin outs at the bottom,  were they arcing out? (most comon cause of death with a Fb is pinouts arcing from the HV ground and sending low KVs though the primary wind they really don't like that)

lastly what diode were you using in my circuit ?

I will take a good look at T1000's circuit tomorrow after a good read of the forum and good dose of sleep. Maybe if he reads this post over night or if anyone can tell me can throw me a line as to what is going on with the Sec winding, HV winding and the circuit half to the lower left of his schematic, I cannot see how the FB's HV and sec winding are even interacting with the rest of the circuit, it seems to be of 2 complete halfs with no connection.

anyhow off to bed. I will check back in the morning.

@KultusNagrand

No oil. At OU.com we are trying to get rid of oil. lol

Yes there was some arching and some funny noise from inside the flyback coil. I think it was when I tried the center circuit I had passed the pin 10 through pin 4 and 5 and put a capacitor across pins 7 and 8 to replicate the center circuit. This may have weakened the coil and when I did some other tests mainly on my TPU mock-up, it blew the flyback. Does not take much for them arcs to destroy any of the internal coil strands.

I forgot to mention that when I tried your circuit the 0.01uf capacitor did not work for me. But after trying to many caps with no success, I tried a small inductor and it worked perfectly.

When I found a capacitor replacement.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7679.msg303571#msg303571

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8350 on: November 06, 2011, 03:56:45 PM »
Fore those who want STABLE and CHEAP square wave frequency generator with 50% duty cycle, DO NOT use 555, not even CMOS 555

I just tried cmos 555 and its hard to get above 1.1 Mhz

Cheap PLL VCO HEF4046 works for example very stable up to 2 Mhz. I just tried up to 2Mhz with 0,5% of stability (frequency change) ...

Use 100 K POT for 500kHz to 3Mhz with 56pF cap

Use Higher cap if you want lower frequnencies...
Pins:
3 connect together  with 4, also same point is signal output

between 6 and 7 goes CAP 56pF and Above(main freq cap )

5 and 8 goes to GND

11 and 12 goes together amd to variable POT, other side of pot goes to GND

pin 16 is VCC

Use 100nF caps between Vcc and gnd

Use some kind of mosfet driver TC  4420 or similar, and some kind of fast mosfet,, cause HEF current output is very low..

Check for possible  mistakes here ... use datasheet HEF4046



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« Reply #8351 on: November 06, 2011, 03:59:57 PM »
Hey guys do not hammer all together :P

@ itsu, wattup

of course the 50Hz winidng cannot form alone any resonant effect without any cap added, but as i see it, the overal voltage rise effect that the TK replication team reports simulates an LC resonance mode. Its my view..

@ Verpies
Of course we are not dealing with DC in such systems but the AC seems to me more or less sine wave. So according my poor knowledge, AC voltage of sine wave   = p-pV /(2*1.41). Of course those are rough considerations.

..
Of course i can be wrong here. The overal idea anyway is to have firm power measurments of those SG and eventually make custom inverters and dispense those SG altogether. That way input will be monitored best.

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« Reply #8352 on: November 06, 2011, 04:04:12 PM »
Yes the 4046 oscillator/PLL is a very versatile and stable circuit.
This is especially true if separate supply lines are used for the 4046 and the MOSFET/driver.


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« Reply #8353 on: November 06, 2011, 04:19:08 PM »
Of course we are not dealing with DC in such systems but the AC seems to me more or less sine wave. So according my poor knowledge, AC voltage of sine wave   = p-pV /(2*1.41). Of course those are rough considerations.

Unfortunately it is not so simple.

1) First of all, the HF is a rectangular waveform
2) Even if the LF is a perfect sinewave and its RMS Voltage is 7V (Vrms = Vpp / 2^0.5) and its RMS current (Irms) is 178mA then the real power in such circuit can be anywhere from 0 Watts to +/- 1.246 Watts, because the phase shift between the current and voltage is wrongly being ignored in the power calculation.
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« Reply #8354 on: November 06, 2011, 06:31:07 PM »
EE here and still this would be an average watts output of over .6 watts.   This cores physically size and shape doesn't matter as much as it is a conical circle with two halves and is of high permeability (you can cut these with a wet tile cutter or take to a tile shop and ask them to cut it).  Wesley has told us of the wave collision and timing to obtain this, I have ordered a PCSU1000 (ouch!) and on Ebay at $319.00 plus shipping it is a good investment.  You may also need a PCGU1000 Signal generator  at around $190.00 USD. (Thank you Steven).   Right now we are at the ground floor of invention of course and no solid formula's are known.  We as enthusiasts are having a difficult time in that having to have test equipment is costly.  But as an electronics engineer I would encourage those who can make the commitment to do so and secure the necessary equipment to advance this project.  With enough data from the forum we can build the correct formulas to be able to computer model these WORKING devices.  In this way we will be able to help our fellow forum members build their own working generators without the expense of the equipment we now need.  After leaving the work force to care for my 83 year old father I didn't have access to this much needed instrumentation equipment but find the cost of the PCSU1000 a good value.  Besides it is also the same USB Multi-function O scope one of the Wesley group used to get his device working and that is a good selling point to me on this project.  We have apparently pick-up at least one troll on this topic and perhaps more, this is a great indication of the viability of the device's COP > 1 ability.   If you just get discouraged then the adversary has won another easy battle and will keep us enslaved to the power structure as JP Morgan intended.  Have heart and perseverance and we shall win the day!  This computer collision waveform in the 7600 cps area is half the n. resonance approx.  See the Free Energy Surprise documents to understand what success that has already met with.  This device many be found later to be slapping the iron atoms into becoming unstable and nature is balancing it with it's infinite pool of energy to re-balance it or decay it into the next element an atom at a time.  I feel this concept we are given from Wesley and his friends is worth our full attention and disregard any disparaging comments from those who are not even willing to commit enough to attempt an build.  Those who would be nay-sayers are welcome to move on to what they feel are more fertile areas of endeavor.  Let's build a future and be remembered, not destroy and be forgotten.  And I congratulate Wattsup of his crisp willingness to build and learn.  And again I echo a very large THANK YOU to the members here and the Wesley group for your efforts to free mankind from BIG OILY!!

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