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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 12634351 times)

Offline Jury1

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8295 on: November 05, 2011, 01:28:53 PM »
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… LOL
you cant make wire light bulb be 100 TIMES more efficinet.
Guys, have you measured current and voltage across light bulb ? …
IMHO the voltage and current in the lamp does not make sense to measure…
These measuring devices to work with electromagnetic induction ...
by electrostatic induction multimeters are crazy.
To continue a serious discussion, necessary to define - what is the "electric current"? What is its physical nature?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8296 on: November 05, 2011, 02:11:52 PM »
yesterday I have got link from Arunas
very important one
http://home.dmv.com/~tbastian/ball.htm

Our laboratory in Ohio (which is noted for slow wave helical antenna research) has developed equipment that will produce electric fireballs that will last after the external power is removed.



For those who is not familiar with firebals:
 
For close to 100 years nobody was able to create this effect.
lasting  factor is the delay what is needed to sustain motion before next impulse is fired out that is one of secrets leading to Tariel Kapanadze and/or most if  not all of Free Energy  devices self sustaining..
but this is not only one factor it is just one of factors
samozapitka means self looping  no external power delivered after initial impulse.
O boy we are close.........


it became apparent that the fireballs resulted form the interaction of two frequencies, a stray
                     higher frequency wave imposed on  the lower frequency oscillations of the main circuit....



This condition acts as a trigger which may cause the total energy of the powerful longer wave
                    to be discharged in a infinitesimally small interval of time and the proportionately tremendously
                    great rate of energy movement which cannot confine itself to the metal circuit and is released
                    into surrounding space with inconceivable violence.





Following Tesla's instructions, we rewired our apparatus as two synchronously pulsed high power RF oscillators, the first at a frequency of 67 KHz and the second at 156 KHz (The exact frequencies aren't critical).



The apparatus consists primarily of two one-quarter wavelength, slow wave helical resonators



o boy...




nie dawaj impulsu zatuchat!!! do not  let the impulse die I have still this words of Tariel Kapanadze in my memory .. he said it to me when we have had conversation in Tbilisi.

I want to see "oil barons" behavior when everything is over... I want to  see their faces... and the face of our former leader  Mr B..h


Wesley

Guys DOES IT  RING THE BELL FOR YOU? DO YOU SEE THE IMPORTANT CONNECTION TO  THAT WHAT WE WORKING  ON? JUST CONCENTRATE OF RED COLOR   FACTORS...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8297 on: November 05, 2011, 02:14:24 PM »
IMHO the voltage and current in the lamp does not make sense to measure…
To continue a serious discussion, necessary to define - what is the "electric current"? What is its physical nature?

Discussing the nature of electric current might be interesting but it is irrelevant to this thread, which is now focused on establishing the necessary parameters for the replication of this device.

In particular, the properties of:
- the ferrite core
- primary and secondary windings
- 1 turn Braid winding/HV electrodes
- waveforms (shape, frequency, phase, amplitude)

Once the device is replicated, we can concentrate more on the energy measuring methodology and the origins of the effects appearing in this device.

Robert

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If the device outputs energy in the form of electric current then simultaneous sampling of the instantaneous voltage and current of the waveforms at high frequency, followed by the time integration of their product is the correct way of measuring electric energy.  Calorimetry is also.

If the energy is not electric, then let's wait till the device works before we waste more time on such divagations and hypothetical measurements. ...but if it can do work and make heat, who cares...


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8297 on: November 05, 2011, 02:14:24 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8298 on: November 05, 2011, 02:14:57 PM »
IMHO the voltage and current in the lamp does not make sense to measure…
These measuring devices to work with electromagnetic induction ...
by electrostatic induction multimeters are crazy.
....

Hi Jury,

Perhaps using a full wave bridge rectifier at the AC output, together with a puffer electrolytic capacitor (say 220uF/400V) to feed the lamps with a relatively pure DC voltage would help to get a much better measure of the real output power.
Fast diodes are to be used like BY399 (800V, 3A) or better to minimize rectifier losses, although the claimed output versus the needed input power can allow some losses here for sure.

Gyula

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8299 on: November 05, 2011, 02:40:04 PM »
I am thinking in buy some Ferrite rings here, http://www.laboutiquedeliman.com/ferrita.html it seems they are not very expensive... But maybe the magnet form could be important? I think I will also try to get ferrite yoke to compare as there is an electronics recycling factory near my village.

Hi Rafa,

The link you refer to above shows ferrite magnets as far as I understand and permanent magnets are almost fully saturated, this means their permeability is very near to that of the air, i.e. 1.  So they would not serve as real ferrite cores for the coils at all.
You can surely find/obtain deflection yokes with their needed real ferrite core at the recycling factory or electric repair services at your local place, just visit them.

Gyula

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8300 on: November 05, 2011, 03:26:47 PM »
We could heat water for a test [resistance load]!!
 Much testing has been done this way ,Very easy to calculate!!
Plus the benefit of Cheap heater...........

Chet

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8301 on: November 05, 2011, 03:46:06 PM »
Hi Rafa,

The link you refer to above shows ferrite magnets as far as I understand and permanent magnets are almost fully saturated, this means their permeability is very near to that of the air, i.e. 1.  So they would not serve as real ferrite cores for the coils at all.
You can surely find/obtain deflection yokes with their needed real ferrite core at the recycling factory or electric repair services at your local place, just visit them.

Gyula

Thank you very very much Gyula, I didn't know it. I will visit this factory and also I have a old monitor (10 years) that maybe have deflection yoke.

all the best from Spain.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8302 on: November 05, 2011, 04:36:19 PM »
Important fact to remember here is that all TV Yokes are designed for 16KHz plus. 
So I would expect most Yoke Cores will work for this device. 
Also remember TV's have been around for many years now so companies did plenty of research
to get the best ferrite performance, so they could get the edge on competition. 
Clearest picture, least amount of power consumption, least heat.   
So it may be hard to replace the TV Yoke Cores with other ferrite cores. 


Another possible avenue is using a flyback core. 
They are designed for High Frequency and already have the split down the middle. 
Also have long straight area for winding the coils. 
And as has already been mentioned, by adjusting tension on U-Bolt you can vary gap in core.

For my core I'm using a yoke core out of an old 14 inch monochrome monitor.
Because the core is smaller, I am using 19 AWG wire for the 50 and 15 winding side.
I didn't notice any mention of what size wire is used for the 150 winding bifi coil.
Could someone post it, I may have missed it somewhere.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2011, 05:12:46 PM by AbbaRue »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8303 on: November 05, 2011, 06:07:25 PM »
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The plot thickens.

This is most likely a language barrier, but as stated it is ambiguous if:
1) ferrite resonant frequency (FRF) is an independent magnitude to which the LC circuit is tuned...or
2) the ferrite core constitutes an integral part of the LC circuit, which influences the lumped inductance (L) and thus the resonance frequency (a.k.a. ringing frequency) of 1/(LC)^0.5


I very much enjoy the way you think since it is very analytical and your questions well targeted.

With my humble experience so far, its difficult to visualize two copper strips placed in/out ferrite walls and fed with white noise to have a fundamental resonant frequency as low as 1,5 Mhz. (no cap or anything added) Two cases IMHO.

a) Case one this is indeed a ferrite resonant frequency that corresponds to some kind of "echo" from the very material itself

b) It is a subharmonic resonant peak formed from a far higher resonant fundamental frequency caused by the RLC (copper plates, wires, and white noise generator)

....

Now again, when a SG is feeding the copper plates or bright to that particular frequency, the 50winds primary coil has its lower resonant peak (380Khz) according its LC ratio? What about feeding the copper plates instead of 1,4 Mhz with say 1 Mhz arbitrarily at same p-p amplitude. The 50 winds coil has different than 380Khz frequency lower peak?

Can be confirmed by someone that?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8304 on: November 05, 2011, 06:23:24 PM »
@baroutologos

you bring up some very good, practical points. I'm still trying to understand how we need to drive these windings (if feedback is indeed required).

@T-1000,

I recognize that the input signal for the 51-turn coil needs to be a square or ramp signal, and that when the coil is resonating, the signal turns into a sine wave. This strongly implies to me that what you are referring to is the natural resonant frequency of the coil given it's inductance from being wound on the core, and whatever parasitic capacitance the winding itself has.

If this is true, I could still see a valid reason for wanting a feedback circuit on the generator if what we want is to maintain the resonance of the coil. I'm sure that the ferrite core's permeability (and thus the 51-turn coil's inductance) will be changing due to the output coil loading and the input signal from the 15-turn coil and metal strip. In this case, a simple triggered one-shot circuit could do well to continuously tap the coil at it's resonant frequency, with the trigger signal for the circuit derived from a sense winding wrapped on the core.

When you referred to "sync"ing the signals, the initial impression I got was that you had your function generator set to a fixed frequency but you had a sync input connected to a sense winding on the core to line up the frequency of the generator with the coils' natural resonant drift. However, if the function generators are replaced with triggered pulse circuits, then the system could work well to stay in resonance as the loading conditions change. Again, I have several ideas of how this could be accomplished, and from the Joule Ringer circuit that you cited earlier, it appears that a triggered, self-resonant, pulse circuit could be the right path to take.

Any insights/clarifications you can offer greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
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« Reply #8305 on: November 05, 2011, 06:30:05 PM »

Now again, when a SG is feeding the copper plates or bright to that particular frequency, the 50winds primary coil has its lower resonant peak (380Khz) according its LC ratio? What about feeding the copper plates instead of 1,4 Mhz with say 1 Mhz arbitrarily at same p-p amplitude. The 50 winds coil has different than 380Khz frequency lower peak?

Can be confirmed by someone that?

The SG function is to hit on peaks of sinus wave. The copper plates make scalar magnetic impulse what has vector 90 degrees from magnetic vector B of primary coils. So you make another sharp turn of magnetic dipoles when they are already preconditioned and make electrons fly out of normal orbits even more with atomic polarization result. And when this impulse dissapear, we have huge magnetic field oscillations due collapsing scalar magnetic field.

So you need ferrite resonant frequency on copper plates.

Just my oppinion :)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8306 on: November 05, 2011, 07:01:55 PM »
The SG function is to hit on peaks of sinus wave. The copper plates make scalar magnetic impulse what has vector 90 degrees from magnetic vector B of primary coils. So you make another sharp turn of magnetic dipoles when they are already preconditioned and make electrons fly out of normal orbits even more with atomic polarization result. And when this impulse dissapear, we have huge magnetic field oscillations due collapsing scalar magnetic field.

So you need ferrite resonant frequency on copper plates.

Just my opinion :)

Hey T

Very interesting opinion.   ;]

Could you make a simple drawing of what you wrote.  Some may understand the wording and visualize, but not all.

Thanks for everything.   ;]

Mags

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8307 on: November 05, 2011, 07:02:32 PM »
Из всего видео не очень понятно чему равняется верхняя частота и нижняя. И подавалась ли искра?

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« Reply #8308 on: November 05, 2011, 07:31:47 PM »
@baroutologos

you bring up some very good, practical points. I'm still trying to understand how we need to drive these windings (if feedback is indeed required).

@T-1000,

I recognize that the input signal for the 51-turn coil needs to be a square or ramp signal, and that when the coil is resonating, the signal turns into a sine wave. This strongly implies to me that what you are referring to is the natural resonant frequency of the coil given it's inductance from being wound on the core, and whatever parasitic capacitance the winding itself has.

The aim is to seek out the MNR frequency of the ferrite using a spectrum analyser.  The 51 turn coil will then be providing 4th sub harmonic in order to hit the NMR frequency. The difference in harmonics provides the source to load BEMF isolation together with the magnetic shunt break formed by the paper dielectrics.  The 51 inductor then needs to be tuned in order to transfer as much energy as possible in to the ferrite. Brute force pumping of the coil without tuning and impedance matching will make a very bad load and minimal power transfer

If this is true, I could still see a valid reason for wanting a feedback circuit on the generator if what we want is to maintain the resonance of the coil. I'm sure that the ferrite core's permeability (and thus the 51-turn coil's inductance) will be changing due to the output coil loading

Load and source is isolated to a very large factor to provide OU. Achieved by magnetic isolation shunts and harmonics.

 and the input signal from the 15-turn coil and metal strip. In this case, a simple triggered one-shot circuit could do well to continuously tap the coil at it's resonant frequency, with the trigger signal for the circuit derived from a sense winding wrapped on the core.

A sniffer coil of 2 turns can be used to feedback the 1.6Mhz and use a prescaler to correct the PLL on the 380Khz driver.  This will ensure any loading and impedance changes is tracked and compensated by the PLL.

When you referred to "sync"ing the signals, the initial impression I got was that you had your function generator set to a fixed frequency but you had a sync input connected to a sense winding on the core to line up the frequency of the generator with the coils' natural resonant drift. However, if the function generators are replaced with triggered pulse circuits, then the system could work well to stay in resonance as the loading conditions change. Again, I have several ideas of how this could be accomplished, and from the Joule Ringer circuit that you cited earlier, it appears that a triggered, self-resonant, pulse circuit could be the right path to take.

Self Oscillating circuits are extremely unstable this IMO rules out the Joule Thief as the system will drift off the NMR frequncy and look for a frequency which provides positive feedback to the source. Now you have a conventional NON OU device.

Any insights/clarifications you can offer greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Jason O

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« Reply #8309 on: November 05, 2011, 09:20:31 PM »
Из всего видео не очень понятно чему равняется верхняя частота и нижняя. И подавалась ли искра?

Of all the video is not very clear which is equal to the upper and lower frequency. And fed a spark? (Translated)

Bill

 

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