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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13964114 times)

Offline Herger

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5460 on: February 03, 2011, 02:38:33 AM »
Ok, but now i translate more info from teofiliuss:


Quote from: teofiliuss

    Spark is used for resonanse selftunning.

    Giya (Kapa's assistant) suggest that the best way for replicators - begin from high voltage as the input power (against 12V akkum. or battery) for start process. It must be 220V or even more.


Thank you teofiliuss!

P.S.
Tariel really sick, its true. He diabetes in severe form. Any diabetic can suddenly die every day from diabetic shock


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5461 on: February 03, 2011, 02:55:31 AM »
Grüß Gott! Meine Damen und Herren! I came back and i hold in my beak a new information! 8)

This is translate from very illiterate russian post from one georgian (Kukuri), which apparently live not so far away from Kapanadze. I think in same city.

Link here http://lix.in/-8f6889 (wait and page will be autoscrolled to this post)

Translate here (edited by me)
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Hello, guys!
I will continue to answer your questions.

1. Yes, I attended!

2. Detail which is missing in the diagrams - very strange coil (I have considerable experience).
This is the same third coil about which everyone is asking. And here is its strangeness - it is wound on a low-voltage electrolytic capacitor, which in appearance probably 50V 20000microfarad. Such capacitors you can found in power supplies of a power amplifiers. It is also connected to the scheme, but i dont know where. This piece stands vertically. If you look inside the plexibox from top, so that Tesla`s transformer upstairs - first stands this capacitor-coil, and then another coil. also vertically. As Kapanadze said - secondary coil.

Because the capacitor was upside down with solder wires to it, i think it is a working element of the circuit. I saw the bottom of it - there is Mercedes
(-like?) symbol.

3. What else do I know? there is another spark inside a secondary coil!

And more: both coils wound in one layer, wire ~4 mm2. This capacitor-coil not quite round.
Likely a gap. BTW, Tariel repeated several times that which is very important to establish the second coil exactly at the its right place, and necessarily vertically!

capacitor`s diameter ~8-10cm, height ~18-22cm.

Among PCB i drew attention to armenian 400w converter with transformer and our genius hint about it - from this point reference frequency is created. 90% of such converters which proved to me to repairing, generated 49 Hz instead of 50 (curiously enough).

About greenbox. It did not started by TK for more than 5 min, because transistors heated strongly. They burned out a few times during the experiments. They expensive costed here in those days and it was a long time awaiting for new ordered.

TK said that at the low power nothing to do without grounding, and in those days he had no another variants. Later he was made another model, which according to him- grounded no longer used. Sadly but this device i not saw myself.


It is strange but I have not seen the high frequency generating components (transistors, chips, inductors)
(in plexi).

I remeber that plexibox started automatically. It was automatic charge control in starting module, (when the maximum values is achieved - generator began to work). But later it was broken, i think because strong electromagnetic field. The spark gap in plexibox much more than in greenbox and sparks with time intervals.

I was not present at the plexi presentation which was filmed, i was there before it, with friends.
Now i have no access to TK.


P.S. I have not heard that he worked on anti-gravity! he worked on gravity engine, and he did it! This motor rotates inside another plexibox and it works on the principle of kapagen, it was filmed too.

Tariel is a not a mathematician, physicist, electronist, and he has poor knowledge of the formulas
(he is architect). He could not use complicated theories and superconductors. It all was done in one room, and in those years we had elecricity at least 1 hour per day here. Decision should not be difficult. Let`s look.


I think that Kukuri was sure that he saw capacitor as coil's core because he saw notches on the metal of the capacitor's top like mercedes logo. Same notches have some capacitors.
 ::)
« Last Edit: February 03, 2011, 03:47:05 AM by Choose username »

Offline Herger

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5462 on: February 03, 2011, 03:39:31 AM »
Thank you.

It is interesting that the coil had to be vertical. I guess that capacitor inside coil is rolled type.  Pulse the coil a certain way and the capacitor is charged if the coil is vertical.  Gravity may be the required vertical force and easy to work around.  I guess that this unit does not require a ground connection.

The hot transistors, I have had this issue when driving a transformer from a microwave oven which required about 5 amperes at several kHz, and output was about 3kv.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5463 on: February 03, 2011, 03:42:01 AM »
If you use a steady magnetic field around the pulsed coil, then you do not need resonance, and you can use any frequency.  Adjust for best effects.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5464 on: February 03, 2011, 11:24:39 AM »
If you use a steady magnetic field around the pulsed coil, then you do not need resonance, and you can use any frequency.  Adjust for best effects.

 ::)
A steady magnetic field doesn't change anything. It simply adds to the varying field and have strictly no effect on the signal and energy involved in the varying field, the only one that we can recover.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5465 on: February 03, 2011, 04:29:23 PM »
Thats your opinion .
You mentioned this already in other threads.
There are a few patents relying on this principle.
These are :
the kunel patent
Michel Meyers patent
Check out the adams motor principle with both examples as a rotating and a solid state device:
http://www.linux-host.org/energy/adamsmotorguide.htm
Maccanti Giampaolo:# WO 98/40960 ; 17 Seprember 1998 ; ELECTROMAGNETIC DEVICE ; Maccanti Giampaolo / Energia Celeste S.R.L.
Richard Willis Device www.vorktex.ca
Plain ol' Physics won't tell you that

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5466 on: February 03, 2011, 05:14:07 PM »
Grüß Gott! Meine Damen und Herren! I came back and i hold in my beak a new information! 8)

This is translate from very illiterate russian post from one georgian (Kukuri), which apparently live not so far away from Kapanadze. I think in same city.

Link here http://lix.in/-8f6889 (wait and page will be autoscrolled to this post)

Translate here (edited by me)
I think that Kukuri was sure that he saw capacitor as coil's core because he saw notches on the metal of the capacitor's top like mercedes logo. Same notches have some capacitors.
 ::)
Thank you for translation. I have been thinking about a capacitor inside a coil for a while and now that you mentioned it, I thought I do a bit of research. For now :
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4470-coilpacitor.html

До свидания!

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5467 on: February 03, 2011, 05:20:38 PM »
@Choose username

Thank you for posting that translation. The coil over capacitor thing confirms what we could also see in that rotary video when you look at those three coils, I could have sworn the cores were DC capacitors. See image below.

I found it interesting that he would have known the inverter to be Armenian. That freaked me out being an Armenian born and bred Canadian.

He depicts TK as an architect and that would make sense that he had a vision and then surrounded himself with the required expertise to move the project along to fruition.

The Plexi unit does show the complexity that I would have to concede is way out of my league in the EE sense. He had circuits all over the place inside that plexi box with wires going from one to the other.

His depiction of the GB is logical, stating the transistors were cooking and had to replaced often which delayed progress.

Now a second spark gap (sg) inside a coil, I would say air coil with internal sg to try and catch and/or quench the sg. The coil/sg could also be catching a reset signal.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5468 on: February 03, 2011, 07:16:58 PM »
Hmm  coil wound on caps.    Internally the cap is wound in a spiral layer, maybe the coil acts on the spiral to give a charging effect in the cap.  As in the spiral acts as a thick pancake coil but open ended. But is it open ended?  Dont for get about the capacitance in the capacitor.  =]   The aluminum casing may have a slowing effect of how the field lines move through the cap, and not sure if that is a good thing or negligible. It would act as a dead short single turn, and add the aluminum covering the bottom of the cap will affect the outcome also.   Dunno yet.  Be neat to try though.  Infact, removing the can and encasing the inards in plastic or such may give different effects.  ;]


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5469 on: February 03, 2011, 07:38:47 PM »
I see iron rods in the center of the coil picture you just posted, not a capacitor.

The boards in the fish tank appear to be boards from old televisions. He probably used parts of circuits on the boards such as the flyback driver circuit. I seriously doubt he made those boards.

You can see a copper reducer coming out of one end of the coil that appears to be a bottle neck. You see a copper cap on the other end of the coil. In the sr193 video you see how he ran the copper ground wires up through the core to the load.

DOLE may very well understand the symmetrical standing wave part of this project but I still feel the coil is accelerating the ground wires that run through the center.

I feel the capacitor idea is pure disinfo. but may very well be possible since a capacitor is a flat coil inside. It is possible that it is a standing wave that gets rolled or compressed when it passes through the center of the coil with a 1 turn coil. With compression comes decompression and that is acceleration.

If there is not an accelerator involved, it will be the first time I have ever seen a free energy device that did not utilize this principle. Unlikely since the energy has to come from somewhere - E=MC2

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5470 on: February 03, 2011, 08:57:38 PM »
Excuse my ignorance but on the patent picture that was posted does anyone else find it strange that the spark gap/points are 'Before' the high voltage module?

Respectfully,

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« Reply #5471 on: February 03, 2011, 09:09:51 PM »
It is very interisting but...Why the tremendous need for such great secrecy?  and what is the seemingly mid size plastic pipe aiming toward the creek or draw in the background?

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« Reply #5472 on: February 03, 2011, 09:27:32 PM »
It is very interisting but...Why the tremendous need for such great secrecy?  and what is the seemingly mid size plastic pipe aiming toward the creek or draw in the background?

Huh... ???

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5473 on: February 03, 2011, 10:33:12 PM »
I'm stuck on a theory.

In a refrigeration system, the COP is greater than 1. How does that work?

1. We compress a gas. The mechanical input energy is equal to the pressure and distance of the compression and is given by the ideal gas law.
2. While compressing, the gas increases in temperature.
3. Eventually the gas becomes a liquid, yielding the additional heat of phase change. At this point, the liquid has two different sources of heat energy: a) the increased heat from compression per the gas law, and b) the heat of phase change. You only paid for 'a'.
4. We remove the heat.
5. We allow the liquid to evaporate back to gas. While doing so, it absorbs heat two ways: a) to cause the phase change, and b) expansion from gas law.
6. Rinse and repeat, using the output to heat your house for a fraction of the cost of electric resistance heat, or cool your beer. Important during the Super Bowl.

The point is that we use 1 unit of mechanical energy to move 1 unit of ideal gas law heat and n additional units of phase change heat. Per theory, that process can have a COP over 10, but I don't remember the exact max theoretical value. High efficiency home units have COPs of 5 or more. The process works. The extra energy is absorbed from available ambient heat...nothing created or destroyed...just separated to be more useful.

Ok...here's the theory...and yes, I have described parts of it before...

We know from the quantum guys that electrons absorb and emit photons when accelerated and decelerated. Personally, I think that is just their way of describing radiant energy. In a way, that process sounds curiously like the refrigeration system above. We apply some energy to accelerate charge. It then has the kinetic energy we applied, plus, it absorbs radiant energy from somewhere. As it slows back down, it gives back the kinetic energy as impact voltage, plus, it gives back the absorbed radiant energy. We witness that radiant energy process as every electrical appliance within 20 feet going completely nuts when we run spark gap coils.

Here's the rub. The radiant portion...the gain...is disordered and chaotic, much like heat. It shows up as spread spectrum common mode splatter. The challenge is in grabbing it and converting it back into something more orderly...and doing so in such a way that it doesn't produce magnetic fields that disrupts the 1/4 wave resonator that is producing it to begin with.

The myriad of bifilar coils and capacitive plates and center ground leads and coils around caps and etc and etc, all sound to me like methods for gathering disordered radiant energy and producing something bipolar that we can use to power a load...and doing so in a way that doesn't produce a magnetic field that will dampen the source.

If that process does work more like refrigeration, then it is the simple process of speeding up electrons to the point that they will emit a photon (or whatever you wish to call it) when decelerated. That is what I would consider to be the equivalent of the phase change in a refrigerant. Why? Look at a capacitive spark discharge versus an inductive discharge. Totally different beast. They look different, sound different, and act different. Much like a liquid and a gas.

If electron energy states parallel gas/liquid phase changes, then the Tesla coil may simply make it possible to separate charges for a fraction of the energy that the discharge would contain. No exotic theories required. Not OU in the sense of magic power from beyond, but with a COP greater than 1. Now the source of the radiant energy that was absorbed initially...might...be from some quantum source, but I don't think it is required for the theory to work.

Here's another little tidbit: If it does turn out that radiant energy is really just some form of photon, and it also turns out that when a photon strikes a conductor it doesn't knock an electron loose, it actually becomes one, then the output of these devices might be pulsed or dirty DC. That being the case, TK's use of multiple coils and spark gaps might be more about creating interference patterns to give 50Hz, and not about producing the gain itself. Many of the more credible devices are said to produce some form of DC...not AC.

Another thought: If a Tesla secondary is absorbing energy at the point of acceleration...the bottom of the coil...and emitting energy at the point it slows down...the top of the coil...where does all of the emitted energy go? Well, everywhere...including back into the coil itself. If a photon was emitted from turn 734, it has a moderate chance of striking turn 733 or 735. Per the theory, that photon might be becoming an electron. In time, the top of the coil would gain a bunch of extra charge...which would be more of more of a static variety. Which interestingly enough, is what they appear to do.

The Tesla secondary would require the AC tuning to produce the proper accel/decel required for the energy pump, but, any radiant energy that struck the coil would end up producing a DC/static potential in the coil. So the answer of "is a Tesla coil DC or AC?" is "both". Not saying that's the case, but it would fit well with observed behavior.


Again...just a theory. Don't flame me.





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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5474 on: February 04, 2011, 01:08:48 AM »
The numbers I had to work with from a Russian was the secondary is 1/4 wave length of the primary. The mutual coupling is weak (10%) which is what I would expect to see otherwise your tank is going to require a lot of power.

500Hz on the primary side divided by 10 on the secondary.

You can see the output coil appears to be about 1/4 the size on some of the coils and from a tap you see coming off the coil. While it is not in RF frequency range and certainly not "high frequency" it looks to me like two signals getting mixed in the load.

I saw a video of someone trying to look at it with an HP network analyzer and he could not explain what he was seeing nor had he seen anything like it before.

And finally, the tank resonance is going to be destroyed immediately without some chokes which is why I interpreted the patent that way. Feel free to contribute your own but if you think this circuit is explainable with classic EM and RF theory you may be disappointed. It's a self powered free energy device, not a ham radio or a network transformer.

I use the word choke instead of inductor. Semantics..

If primary is 500Hz, and secondary 50Hz, and primary wire length is 1/4 wavelength, than primary wire should be at last 10 kilometers long...

Frequency CANT be so low ...  you see on patent frequency adjuster... so it probably generates 50Hz from DC imput (rectified HF)

But does not Kapanadze seem to be opposite TC.... Lets say that in primary we have 10kV and we using spark gap pulse primary LC to oscilate at its own resonance frequency...   ... socindary is low number turn wire, but there is NO RESISITIVE load... secondary has also LC (the same or harmonic related resonance freq as primary) and we use secondary capacitor that is charged reactively. We do not have R in equasion nor we reduce Q factor with any load = we do not kill dipole..