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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16693177 times)

exnihiloest

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5430 on: February 01, 2011, 12:02:46 PM »
The numbers I had to work with from a Russian was the secondary is 1/4 wave length of the primary. The mutual coupling is weak (10%) which is what I would expect to see otherwise your tank is going to require a lot of power.

What I was speaking about is current technology of radio engineering in AM broadcast transmitters. The efficiency of the coupling is more than 90%. This method is even widely used to cascade several stages in a chain, it permits to match the high impedance of an anode output to the low impedance of the cathode of the next stage in a common grid tube amplifier.

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500Hz on the primary side divided by 10 on the secondary.
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It is not said in the patent.
500 hz is much too low, it is certainly not compatible with the coil we see in Kapanadze's device. Such a coil is not tunable at this frequency. Even if there is no HF, a frequency of at least tens or hundreds of Khz is required for such a coil to be tuned.

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Feel free to contribute your own but if you think this circuit is explainable with classic EM and RF theory you may be disappointed

The source of energy is unknown. This doesn't disprove classical electromagnetism. If you suppose it is wrong, you must suppose that all other physics laws are also wrong because they are tightly linked and logically related. Therefore you can't "explain" anything because you have no more basis, you can no more talk about "current", "frequency", "voltage", "inductance" and so on because only science defined them. And finally you just would speak of magic. As it is not the case, it is obvious that classic EM still applies, it appears in your own speech. We can't arbitrarily keep what is pleasant in EM and reject the rest, we would loose consistency and logic. So if there is an anomaly, it should be very subtle and at the fringe, not in the way a particular coil can be tuned or coupled.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5431 on: February 01, 2011, 01:57:55 PM »

Bearden and Bedini have ranted for decades on not destroying the dipole. It shows you a method of how to accomplish that. It is a new trick for me so I am thrilled to have spent the time I did since the possibilities are endless. It does not use an accelerator or convert mass to atomic energy. Unstoppable! Tesla's patent covered it and from a patent search Kapanadzi does not have a patent in the US.

You don't a patent to build and sell a produce and if someone patents it after you do that, you can invalidate their patent.


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Please excuse this stupid question but which Tesla patent are you referring to?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5432 on: February 01, 2011, 02:46:55 PM »
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« Last Edit: February 01, 2011, 09:23:37 PM by forest »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5433 on: February 01, 2011, 04:03:39 PM »
Of course, it is not true that the laws of contemporary science are tightly inked and logically connected. Even the basic laws of theoretical mechanics aren't, as I've shown here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8438.msg272750#msg272750

Classical electromagnetism isn't in any better position either. Maxwell's equations, for instance, which are fully applicable in the case of the homopolar (Faraday) generator, badly fail to account for the voltage observed experimentally in this generator. To explain the observed voltage one has to rely on the Lorentz force which cannot be derived from the Maxwell equations and it should if the Maxwell equations are truly the equations describing the electromagnetic phenomema.

The list with fundamental problems in incoherence, lack of logic and sheer nonsense the contemporary science suffers from can go on and on. Unfortunately due to the dishonesty of the few competent and the massive incompetence of the majority makes not only the mainstream to be in shambles but it allows that creedence be given to obvious esoteric blabber and sheer charlatanism. The discussion at hand is not the only example where gullible enthusiasts can be led by the nose for months and years by a manipulator, even if he does his manipulation subconsciously and truly believes in what he demonstrates.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5434 on: February 01, 2011, 06:39:03 PM »
Referring to TK's bad appearance...

There is a very good likelihood that at the energy levels his devices operate at, the smaller devices are putting out soft X-rays, and the big ones might even be putting out hard X-rays or even gamma rays. It may turn out that although these devices might be built for very little, the shielding requirement might make them very impractical in actual use. Admittedly speculation, but, given TK's rapid decline and SR's statements about not feeling well for some time after running his device, there is some support for it.

TK's move toward mechanical versions may have been driven in part by an understanding that the electrical versions simply aren't safe.

Ben Schwartz is supposedly nearing production on the ERR device. Word from him is that the generator plates will be installed in a concrete vault below ground. Iron rebar cannot be used to reinforce the concrete, or it will explode, and apparently will require fiberglass rods instead. I was thinking that the problem with the ERR was actually random lightning strikes, but at the power levels these things are supposed to operate, it could also be nasty emissions.

At the very least, if you get something working...please...be careful. It simply might not be safe.

  I was a bit alarmed also from his appearance also. I believe what LtBolo stated above could be true but there is another way to sport that look. Tariel has that 'Hobo' look. This is an appearance that is mastered on the streets of NYC. I see them all the time, there is one guy who is always at the foot of the George Washington bridge, he has the look down pat. Here are the rules for the Hobo look.

 1 - Smoke 3 to 5 pack's of cigarettes a day.
 2 - Drink 2 bottles of vodka a day, vodka can be substituted with Jack Daniels or Southern Comfort.
 3 - Eat nothing but garbage. No complex carbs on this diet or high protein products simple carbs work best.

 If you look at Tariels video's he has rule #1 down pat. I don't doubt for one minute that he has mastered rule #2. Rule #3 is a gimmie. He spends so much time experimenting that proper diet takes a back seat.

 Now what LtBolo stated can be true, very true. The 'key' would be to see what condition his son is in. I will guess that his son spends many hours with him if not every moment. If he is showing these effects then it could be radiation. Or he could also be following the 'Hobo-diet'.


Part 2

  Now on the experimental front. I have taken a different path then others. I stand stubbornly firm that in order to interact with the environment you must incorporate the environment in your design. I have done just that and have been given just enough of a 'magical' peak to move forward and continue.

  On the topic of the environment. Air is the name we give for the gas we breath. Many people seem to forget this. The gas you breath is in a 'super-heated' state. In a nutshell it has absorbed enormous amounts of energy to get to that state. If it didn't it would be at or below the 'saturation' point. Clearly if it wasn't super-heated your lungs would be full of liquid. So the first thing that must be understood for me is that an 'air' core is actually a 'gas' core.
 
  A typical air core doesn't trap the atmosphere it allows it to pass through because clearly the ends are not sealed. So any 'disturbance' that is created is quickly neutralized via the escape routes (ie.. the open ends of the tube). A great example of trapping a gas can be seen with a basic Xenon flash bulb. In this bulb high voltage is used to ionize the gas. Knock off enough electrons and a conductive path is created for current to flow. This gas like most others will self-heal itself meaning goes from highly ionized to neutralized on its own, very fast, when HV is removed. The amount of HV is important, enough must be injected to create this 'change of state'. Of course this gas must be 'trapped' to work effectively. So it stands to reason that a Xenon bulb can also be used as a fast acting switch to drive a current.

  It is along these lines that I have been tinkering. The exception is that instead of Xenon I will use Air. Not only that, I will trap the air in a closed tube. In theory this is a Gas core (aka air core) but I am not allowing it to neutralize with the open atmosphere. With this in mind prior to building I had many questions that I could not answer.
 
 One of the biggest questions was 'What would happen if a strong magnetic field where present when the sealed tube was ionized?'. High voltage is 'cheap' meaning it does not require a lot of power to create. But yet HV creates effects on the atomic level with very little power input.

 There are many avenues of approach one could take. With that I figured I would start with the simplest design and build on it. For starters I built a basic setup that consisted of just a 9 inch piece of 1 1/4" PVC tube. From here I capped it with 1 1/4" PVC caps. Prior to capping I drilled a small 1/8" hole on one of the end caps and inserted a 14 gauge copper solid conductor. This conductor is stripped back about 1/2" to expose the copper then inserted into the hole in the end cap. I also epoxied the wire to the cap so it would not move. This solid wire was then wrapped with some rubber electrical tape to minimize leakage of HV.

  Feeding the wire in the tube is the spark gap. Basically HV from a auto-transformer is feed to a spark gap, output of spark gap feeds electrode in tube in an effort to 'ionize' the air inside. On the outside of the tube is wrapped about 90 turns or so of CSA insulated aluminum wire. On top of that is a small coil of about 30 turns of 14 gauge wire. The 30 turn coil was operated manually by hand by shorting it to a twelve volt 6 A/H battery.

  I started a day ago. I first started with very low HV. It was difficult to maintain a spark gap. I am driving my 12 volt HV transformer with about 7 volts or so from a 9volt battery. My HV driver can except up to 24 volts DC input. I have plenty of 'headroom' to work work with. With full power to the driver I should be able to deliver somewhere between 30 - 40kv at around 200 - 400 Hz with a 24 volt input. I tinkered with this for a few hours allowing the battery and jumpers to cool down every so often. I have a electrical meter hooked up to the 90 turn coil, one side of the coil is grounded. This setup is pretty uneventful, there was on three occasions that a was able to obtain about 500 or so volts all other times 0 volts. This voltage reading was difficult to produce consistently out of the 400 attempts of spiking the small coil only three times did the phantom voltage show up.

  Regardless this is the approach I am taking. I plan on raising the high voltage to see if I can repeatedly reproduce this 500 volts (give or take at first it was 460, then 510, and the last time 490volts). I am well aware that I could be chasing a ghost.

  One thing crossed my mind while doing this is to 'dope' the inside of the tube with Americium 241. Small amounts can be found in smoke detectors. This of course brings these experiments to a level that requires proper protection. This I will not try until I have exhausted current avenues of approach.

  Below is a pic of my simple coil.

Respectfully,

Core         

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5435 on: February 01, 2011, 07:06:42 PM »
Hey Core

How are you driving the auto coil. Just interested. ;]

Looking at the pat. for the voltages assumed or given, I fail to see how the sec can produce enough V to enable the spark gap while self running.  Maybe the freq, 500hz n 50 hz are just harmonic blends of much higher freq happening in the coils. Like my sim circuit that gave out a nice 60hz, but it was derived from 2 much higher freq.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5436 on: February 01, 2011, 07:12:48 PM »
Having in mind what I posted above, one should realize the much, much broader scope of the overunity revolution which not only hurts the interests of companies connected with energy production such as the oil companies and the utilities but also of more general purpose companies such as the biggest company in the world founded by one of the biggest crooks ever known -- Thomas Edison -- General Electric. As curious as it may sound, this revolution has everything to do  also with hurting the interests of the new generation of crooks exemplified in full nowadays by fellows such as the purported founder of Facebook. In view of all this our fight may seem hopeless and the eradication of the blatant foolishness found at every step of the way when exploring what we're indoctrinated with in science may seem impossible. It is understandable now why this foolishness, which serves well the powers that be, cannot be eradicated just like that, every sensible argument being swept under the avalanche of unbridled propaganda aimed at squashing freedom and truth. History has shown, however, that human spirit is invincible when serving the truth despite all odds.

That's why some new type of immunity should evolve among us, those who strive for truth in science and, in particular in the OU studies, to discern more efficiently the manipulators and the charlatans, wasting our time and exhausting the limited resources of this community. I cannot give the prescription as to how this can be done at this point and how to really put the Kapanadze's of the world in their place but I strongly feel something should be done to make our battle more efficient.

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« Reply #5437 on: February 01, 2011, 09:07:34 PM »
Here is the principle of the Kapanadzi. That wire running through the core is the pink elephant in the room. The two frequencies pump that wire running through the middle.

One coil (small) may be air core with just a wood core. Everything else is just a matter of personal design.

Play with this principle and you will find what you are looking for. It is seen in all the devices I have looked at so far - no exceptions.

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« Reply #5438 on: February 01, 2011, 09:29:39 PM »

Bearden and Bedini have ranted for decades on not destroying the dipole. It shows you a method of how to accomplish that. It is a new trick for me so I am thrilled to have spent the time I did since the possibilities are endless. It does not use an accelerator or convert mass to atomic energy. Unstoppable! Tesla's patent covered it and from a patent search Kapanadzi does not have a patent in the US.

You don't a patent to build and sell a produce and if someone patents it after you do that, you can invalidate their patent.


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Please excuse this stupid question but which Tesla patent are you referring to?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5439 on: February 01, 2011, 10:01:59 PM »
Here is the principle of the Kapanadzi. That wire running through the core is the pink elephant in the room. The two frequencies pump that wire running through the middle.

One coil (small) may be air core with just a wood core. Everything else is just a matter of personal design.

Play with this principle and you will find what you are looking for. It is seen in all the devices I have looked at so far - no exceptions.

+/- = Otto single wire experiment

?? Einsten De Haas spin current ??


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5440 on: February 01, 2011, 10:09:33 PM »
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starting with the way it might work
sparc gap and or primary coil are draining the ether energy that is ready to be picked up from the primary coil, whose frequency is i.E. 500 Hz
The frequency of the secondary coil is then 50 Hz ; thereby the frequency difference makes the energy flow from the primary to the secondary coil.
(Which victor Grig mentions in 'Principle of work of Kapanadze's device')
The low coupling between the primary and secondary dampens the primary only slightly.
These 2 frequencies must be applied to both coils which costs energy.
At the starting point a battery is providing the power, later on the energy gain from the ether (or what should I call it) should do this.
I don't know transformers, that divide frequencies. The frequency differences may provide a tunnel for the ether energy, but may disturb each other, so there the filters might come in action. The output stage that provides the 50 Hz to the secondary, how it is designed?
The influence of the first coil must be somehow transmitted to the second, therefore the second may not be short cutted by an amp that provides 50 hz. (This influence is it magnetic or static?)
What SR did was saturate a core with approx. 1.4 Tesla Field, but this is another effect which leads to detoriation of the core material, and you exclude converting mass to energy conversion.
Most likely we would create a transformer with losses (like I did and many others , even Naudin)
These 2 freq gen operate with a pll loop .

citation of some part of the above mentioned document:
When in the Ukrainian common energy grid, inherited from the former USSR,
the frequency in Hz was decreased , a massive imbalance was experienced, with power flowing from Russia to the Ukraine.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5441 on: February 01, 2011, 10:46:26 PM »
Please excuse this reply if it seems dumb . My understanding is very limited , but you seem to say that a transformer can change frequency at the input to a lower frequency at the output . I do not believe this is possible . The nearest possible to this is that at the output , you can experience a higher frequency in the form of harmonics . the 3rd 5th and7th harmonics being the most strong . The only way you could get a lower frequency would be with some form of frequency divider chip .

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5442 on: February 01, 2011, 11:52:30 PM »
@all,

I think lasersaber's latest video deserves closer examination


I just get the feeling he is more than half way there


Don't dismiss this too easily.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5443 on: February 02, 2011, 12:54:50 AM »
First off, the 500 hz I mentioned in my last post is also figurative. It does not matter what the frequency is. As long as the output frequency is above 50hz, it could be 500 hz, you will see a constant bulb illumination.

What I am very happy about is that between my description of the TK GB unit and his patent (that I have seen for the first time yesterday) that is now 3 years old, you can understand the progression.

The filtering modules (could be chokes of very high winds) can have their place in the patent because you do not know the frequency it is working at. At higher pulsing frequencies, chokes will have much less effect as you would think. They could be used as Tesla did as a source of high induction that helps charge his caps.

It is obvious that the patent does not provide enough for a replication. I would even say that the patent is purposely not correct in some aspects but who could challenge it? No one. So there is only left the same as what is left with TKs videos and all other talks, etc. They are all small parts that can help someone get either a better idea of the device or a new idea for a newer design. The later is more plausible in my book and working to replicate the TK device would not be a good choice of spending time and money. Work on your own design guys but just use whatever you "think" you can learn from all of this.

The sad parts of all this is seeing TK from his GB video to today, a good 15 years later and we can see that time has taken its toll. Well another great guy that is cloaked behind the veil of commercialism and so many years later with nothing to show for it. He could have easily spent those same years flying all over the world meeting with companies, universities and governments, teaching his system to the world. Really too bad.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5444 on: February 02, 2011, 01:45:40 AM »
+/- = Otto single wire experiment

?? Einsten De Haas spin current ??

Ah... Someone gets it.