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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16408055 times)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5400 on: January 30, 2011, 02:44:52 AM »
Quarktoo

Dole replied to me and asked me to collaborate with you on replicating his circuit.  Please send me any information he gave you or post here.

If you need to see his post to me I can forward it to you.

Thank you,
DonL

Off topic but here ya go. I am building a spark gap now. It is just an interesting thing and I like to learn new tricks. It sounds to me like Dole knows exactly what he is talking about and that it is a standing wave.

Dole wrote:
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Would you be so kind to read what I posted as comments on the youtube. Only what I did not mention to anybody is insulation transformer 220->12->12->220 and preferably capacitors between 12->12 and rest is a absolute electrical symmetry, you must measure (weigh out), and experimentally determinate, and then nodes will stand like in a water.
Ps. Then we may think what will make them grow (..Tsunami), I hope this helps for now.

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« Reply #5401 on: January 30, 2011, 02:56:43 AM »
Interesting.... are you trying to discourage me from building it ? Huh !?
My point is : seems that for Tesla it doesn't matter if pancake coil have air of magnetic core. The ,method works the same.

Not really interesting forrest. I simply stated that if this coil is doing what I suspect, then you need to be careful. If you are confused by pancake coils and cores, then accelerator coils and magnetic resonance is probably over your expertise level and you probably don't have the equipment to measure any harmful emissions either.

It's over my head is all I am stating and I suggest people be careful. I have compiled lots of good and new info. from sr193 to the degree that he has replicated. He has a self runner and that is more than I can say for anyone else.

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« Reply #5402 on: January 30, 2011, 03:05:27 AM »

to better understanding what I'm talking  about and what is important to understand Ferrite pipe coil of Kapanadze

Interesting choice of words. I did a search on ferrite tube cores of the size used and could find noting. I did find some ferrite pipe used for steam boilers that looked exactly the same though.

They are poor in that part of the world and would be using what is available. Kapanadzi deserves  lots of credit for doing so much with very little to work with financially. He made up for that with his ingenuity. They use lots of steam boilers in that part of the world still.

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« Reply #5403 on: January 30, 2011, 03:58:57 AM »
Interesting choice of words. I did a search on ferrite tube cores of the size used and could find noting. I did find some ferrite pipe used for steam boilers that looked exactly the same though.

They are poor in that part of the world and would be using what is available. Kapanadzi deserves  lots of credit for doing so much with very little to work with financially. He made up for that with his ingenuity. They use lots of steam boilers in that part of the world still. 


Yes you are right I should say ferrite rings joined together create ferrite pipe
Thank you for correcting me.

As far as other comment Yes  respect to Kapanadze.
But  at the same time respect to SR
and he was only 19 years old..So is that the knowledge or just accidental.
If it is accidental that you my friend might become as successful as Kapenadze as knowledgeably is not that important as a little bit of luck.

Thank you for your comment

Wesley




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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5404 on: January 30, 2011, 04:09:05 AM »
Off topic but here ya go. I am building a spark gap now. It is just an interesting thing and I like to learn new tricks. It sounds to me like Dole knows exactly what he is talking about and that it is a standing wave.

Dole wrote:

Thank you for the information.

DonL

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« Reply #5405 on: January 30, 2011, 04:12:59 AM »

Yes you are right I should say ferrite rings joined together create ferrite pipe
Thank you for correcting me.

As far as other comment Yes  respect to Kapanadze.
But  at the same time respect to SR
and he was only 19 years old..So is that the knowledge or just accidental.
If it is accidental that you my friend might become as successful as Kapenadze as knowledgeably is not that important as a little bit of luck.

Thank you for your comment

Wesley

Stivep - Do you think he could have used ring magnets instead of ferrite? Ring magnets are made of ferrite too.

I think it is an accelerator coil.

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« Reply #5406 on: January 30, 2011, 05:46:10 AM »
Stivep - Do you think he could have used ring magnets instead of ferrite? Ring magnets are made of ferrite too.

I think it is an accelerator coil.

No( but I might be wrong)
Structure of ferrrite magnets differ  to one of ferrite  rings.

Ferrites are chemical compounds, ceramic with iron(III) oxide Fe2O3 as their principal components.

Ferrrite rings = iron sand + oxidation, bounded in process of compression (soft ferrite)

Ferrite magnets=  magnetic materials + oxidation
and they are used to make permanent magnets,
(Hard Ferrite)


  soft ferrites. The low coercivity means the material's magnetization can easily reverse direction without dissipating much energy (hysteresis losses), while the material's high resistivity prevents eddy currents in the core, another source of energy loss. Because of their comparatively low losses at high frequencies, they are extensively used in the cores of RF transformers and inductors in applications such as switched-mode power supplies (SMPS)
soft ferrites are manganese-zinc (MnZn),  and nickel-zinc (NiZn),

hard ferrites
have a high coercivity and high remanence after magnetization. These are composed of iron and barium or strontium oxides. In a magnetically saturated state they conduct magnetic flux well and have a high magnetic permeability. This enables these so-called ceramic magnets to store stronger magnetic fields than iron itself.

As you see there is major difference in memory.
(If you fallow the lecture from video link listed  in my previous post)

1.DC does not affect current
you will see current flow only when you  close the circuit.
(*watch the video lecture -first few minutes)

2.Steady state of magnet does not affect steady current

That indicates that the biggest problem of magnets is long term memory.

The particles in soft ferrite can change the magnetic dipoles polarity  immediately, although some of memory  remains. That is good.

The particles of hard ferrite are characterized by permanent memory  the dipole reverse put them in to the state of reversed permanent memory.

Than only- the potential benefit of conjunction for both may take advantage of electron path directed by magnetic influance to the right place.

Yes.....Watching video:

Quantum Mechanics: The Double Slit Experiment

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXvAla2y9wc&feature=related

 You will see collision of photons and very controversial collision of electrons.

As long as we deal with electrons we deal with mass containing particles.

when we deal with  photons we deal with something that is completely  immune to the magnetic field( of that magnitude)

Do not forget  to look at my previous post  video link


Wesley
 









 

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« Reply #5407 on: January 30, 2011, 07:46:24 AM »
I'm pretty sure you are wrong.

I have my own explanation of wave particle duality, the double the slit experiment and it does not involve magical properties like what is being taught in school. Maybe I missed your point but when you cite classic physics lectures, you are also buying into the impossibility of an OU device UNLESS you are using an accelerator and then E=MC2 applies. So your comments conflict with themselves.

Correction - I am sure I missed your point. I understand ferrite and magnets and accelerators. I also just spent a day pouring over that video of SR93 and I am seeing what looks like an accelerator coil. Without acceleration, the second law of thermodynamics is going to apply.

Maybe you should learn about different accelerator coils and you would agree with me. If that is what it is, I assume it would be dangerous to stand in front of. It would be easy to tell by pointing it at an old TV screen. You should see the phosphor screen light up as the particles collide with the phosphor screen.

I cannot predict the affect on the magnets since they all have different elements in them since the particle velocity is unknown.

I could probably replicate this device but am losing interest. Perhaps in the future. I am working on a an alternator project that is taking my time.

Anyway, here are some pics and thoughts on SR193 device. Is he available to chat?

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« Reply #5408 on: January 30, 2011, 03:55:43 PM »
quarktoo
Quote:,
I am working on a an alternator project that is taking my time.
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So an alternator must be able to cause acceleration or you wouldn't be playing with it.

Can you talk about this Somewhere?
BTW a movie,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB1p4-Az5qY&feature=related

Chet

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« Reply #5409 on: January 30, 2011, 11:21:43 PM »
@all

This post stubbornly continues from where my last post left off. Please excuse me for the length but it is required to pass on this information in a clear manner on how I have learned the TK device is doing what it is doing in the demo. This is an exercise in 360 degree thinking so I hope that those interested in the subject will be able to follow along. After this post, I will step away from this for a while because I have my own works to finish off.

One thing I forgot to mention about the TK coil. Or did I? Only one wire out of the green box (gb) goes into the TK coil. There is no other way for him to use this coil. The main reason is the number of bulbs he lit with the green box. Five bulbs that were well lit. So let's say 100 watts per bulb makes 500 watts. Right?

The 12 volts but still 20 amp from the battery makes 220 volts 1 amp at 50 hz leaving the inverter. The 220 volts 1 amp goes to one (or more) high voltage transformers (htv) cranking up and making 5000 volts* but at 5000hz* so the total amperage draw from the inverter becomes minimal.

If TK was using more then one isolated coil in the TK coil, there would have to be a question of energy transfer from one coil to the another coil. For that to happen you would require a minimum of two wires coming from the green box. Even then, I can surely certify that those coil wires are in no way and shape going to be able to mutually transfer 500 watts of juice from one coil to the other and the losses would have been tremendous. So the coil has to be linear and for it to be linear with two coils, either series or parallel or a mix with one coil wire open ended. But all that sounds useless with such wires.

The only real and logical solution for the TK coil is one coil of 4 layers ending with an excess of about 33% of full length on the top layer. It is possible that the 33% length top layer is a "remnant layer" because he had to cut down on the coil overall length to tune it closer to the green box resonance output.

At one point, once TK made the gb, he saw he needed some "muffling" from a gb capacitor discharge, so he probably made the coil and saw the bulbs were not lit enough and by removing one wind at a time, he found the right number of winds to match better the gb output and increase the output to the bulbs. Any one can do it. By the same token, his output from the green box could have already been stabilized and again the TK coil could still be a dud. So at this stage the TK coil should not be taken seriously until the green box theory is workable and the problem left to solve is output matching to load and low end loop-back. I'll get to that soon.

However, a one coil TK coil would have an effect on a high voltage side stream of low amp spikes, like a spark gap or a capacitor discharge reducing the high voltage with its fewer winds and by doing so increasing the amperage by its copper mass. It would fall in perfectly with how TK described it as a stabilizer for his bulbs. Ah, but this could be also a ruse, we now.

The one coil wind can also be a bifilar wind that still has one wire from gb in and one wire out to the load. There is simply an inter coil connection and the bifilar will provide a better capacitive function for the TK coil. But that's it and that's all. There cannot be any more functionality then this, either one single wound coil or a bifilar coil either of which are in series with the outer 6 turns coil before it goes to the bulbs. There is no reason to think that pulsing that 6 turns heavy coil will induce 500 watts of output into the inner coil. Just not possible especially or reagardless of any resonance point.

So now I know what the coil is and it can now be put aside for now because based on this, now I know a lot better how he is doing it. But let's go further on.

First and foremost is - what does the gb demo demonstrate? It is demonstrating lighting five bulbs. Stop right there. So all he needs is at least 50Hz for the bulbs to be visually constantly energized and bright. Now take the output 500 watts at 50 times per second but each applied pulse does not need to be 100% duty width because even at 10% duty width you will see the bulbs fully lit at 50hz. I tested it. At 10% duty width you are again not using 90% of each pulse cycle but your bulbs are still fully lit.

Two transistors, as one pulses at 10% width and is off 90% of the width, the other one sends the energy 90% of the time back to source. Ha. Ha. Spider senses are tingling. I think this is the simple idea. Very simple indeed.

One transitor is pulsing the 10% all the time. So it is at 500 hertz. The other transistor is on only 10% of the time to the bulbs. So at each 10 hertz the pulse goes to load. The whole device in the green box includes high voltage, continuous pulse to loop back and load pulse.

This means the inverter/battery is being solicited at maximum just to start the device. Once it's started 90% of the looping is happenning inside the green box. When he removes the battery, his black box transformer is definitely not supplying 12 volts at 20 amps and that is fine because the inverter does not need that much anymore since 90% of it is being recirculated already. All he needs is the make-up energy to loop the device indefinitely. Just enough to loop the make-up with his black transformer box while still leaving enough for the bulbs.

Now consider the inverter he is using is a rather old model that obviously does not have the modern minimal dc input requirements or else the inverter would simply beep and stop. His inverter will use any input and provide output. This is an important point to keep in mind. The inverter throughput must be as linear as pôssible.

But now, if you consider the above statements, you will quickly realize that there is a certain level of illusion involved in the TK device. One would presume by looking at the demo that the TK coil is ultimately lighting up five bulbs and at 100 watts a piece, so it is consuming at least a good 500 watts. But that is not the case and that would explain the funny smirk in some of the guys faces during the video. And this is where all have failed because you are trying to do it the standard way.

You do not need 500 watts continuous 50 hz to light up those bulbs. All you need is 500 watts at 10% duty width at 50 hz and the bulbs will stay as bright as they are. lol

Two switches on the gb. One starts the system and the other starts the 90% loop back. If the loop back in ON first, the device will not start because the other end of the spark gap will act as a premature load.

OK so where to start with all this will be the next questions? Guys with already built units will have an easier time with any needed mods. Guys with EE smarts will understand the trans usage. Much better then me.

(*) The HV volts and frequency mentioned above are just figurative and can be much higher. It does not matter. You can match lower voltage with higher inductance.

This same simple idea can be extended to mechanical or hydraulic systems since it is all ratios. The basic idea is use an elephant to move a mouse that looks like an elephant.

There are so many ways to play with the ether around us.

wattsup

PS: I hope someone can translate this for our overseas friends.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2011, 04:25:26 AM by wattsup »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5410 on: January 31, 2011, 06:00:39 AM »

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« Reply #5411 on: January 31, 2011, 09:42:25 AM »
wattsup:

Great explanation there.  At the risk of over simplifying what you have said, would it be fair to say that TK has developed a joule thief circuit for incandescent bulbs?  What you describe is really how the JT circuit operates and allow them to do all of the seemingly amazing things that they can do.

Again, great summation.

Bill

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« Reply #5412 on: January 31, 2011, 11:22:02 AM »
wattsup:

Great explanation there.  At the risk of over simplifying what you have said, would it be fair to say that TK has developed a joule thief circuit for incandescent bulbs?  What you describe is really how the JT circuit operates and allow them to do all of the seemingly amazing things that they can do.

Again, great summation.

Bill

Imho if you want to see it like a JT , think about joule theft with Avramenko plug sucking displacement current from ground.


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« Reply #5413 on: January 31, 2011, 01:25:58 PM »
@wattsup

Your explanation sounds a lot like what I see happening with my Joule Ringer.  I think I will start trying to light incandescent light bulbs instead of CFLs and see what happens.

Here's a picture of my current device running disconnected from the batteries.


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« Reply #5414 on: January 31, 2011, 02:29:19 PM »
Actually you are all wrong and I can prove it. Normally I spew more BS than everyone here combined but I am just trying to get some ideas out there.

Last night I did my homework and studied the patent and then got lucky and found a few documents that supported it.

Here it is in a nutshell:

The coil is called a loose coupling transformer. The reason that there is that bottle end sticking out or a threaded bar is because that is how they are sliding a piece of ferrite in and out to adjust the coupling between the two bobbins.

There is a unexplainable electromagnetic phenomena or two and this one exploits that just enough. You can sink approximately 10% of the primary tank into the secondary load coil.

The primary runs at 8 times the frequency and voltage as the secondary. One end of the secondary is tied to the primary tank circuit which is a parallel LC tank. The other end of the secondary is tied to earth ground and so there is no short of a dipole. There is another exploit back to the primary that I am going to keep to myself for now but I will tell you this - He in fact replicated Tesla's device and that is all it is.

It is in the fish tank to muffle the noise of the spark gap.

While you would need to have the equipment and be good at building with passive components, this device can easily be replicated and I am 99% sure the earth ground can be eliminated and I think I figured out how tesla did that with his car - same thing.

Anyway - read the patent. He explains it fully. The parts that he didn't explain, I just did. It's simple.

The end of the coil that sticks out indicates to me that SR193 did in fact replicate successfully. In fact - you see three wires attached to the ground just like the patent. That patent drawing is so good and the device is so simple, this may be the first device you could replicate from a patent.

In the video where you see three different color coils - those are just chokes for a larger system. Don't be fooled by the difference. The choke have iron rod cores and the transformer has ferrite cores that are loose coupled.

The arcing over to the side of the cap is because he does not have a more expensive 3 wire RF cap so he is just shorting to the can. Stray resonances are one of the problems he has had to work hard to filter out to keep it stable especially with a changing load. Oddly, this is where he is adding another harmonic for a total of 3.

Hope that helps you see what is there. This has noting to do with a joule thief.