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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16404205 times)

quarktoo

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5370 on: January 29, 2011, 06:38:50 AM »
Here is another clue - notice how the wires go in off to the side in one end and out the center in the other? Most likely a rod inside a metal tube or a screen.

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« Reply #5371 on: January 29, 2011, 06:53:23 AM »
First off, in 1891, x-ray had not even been invented yet. In 1891, Tesla, who researched cold electricity had no clue about accelerators. I think I can form my own thoughts based on my own experience.

Here are some Tesla quotes to help you put him into perspective:

Now, I must tell you of a strange experience which bore fruit in my later life. ... We had a cold [snap] drier that ever observed before. People walking in the snow left a luminous trail behind them and a snowball thrown against an obstacle gave a flare of light like a loaf of sugar hit with a knife. [As I stroked] Mačak's back, [it became] a sheet of light and my hand produced a shower of sparks. ... My father ... remarked, this is nothing but electricity, the same thing you see on the trees in a storm. My mother seemed alarmed. Stop playing with the cat, she said, he might start a fire. I was thinking abstractly. Is nature a cat? If so, who strokes its back? It can only be God, I concluded. ...
I cannot exaggerate the effect of this marvelous sight on my childish imagination. Day after day I asked myself what is electricity and found no answer. Eighty years have gone by since and I still ask the same question, unable to answer it.
— Nikola Tesla


The idea of atomic energy is illusionary but it has taken so powerful a hold on the minds, that although I have preached against it for twenty-five years, there are still some who believe it to be realizable.
— Nikola Tesla

    I have no clue where you are getting at. Tesla did not research "cold electricity", Tesla researched the nature of electricity and magnetism and it's connection to the ether. You say "cold electricity", not Tesla - but you also underline his opposition to Relativism. Yes, Tesla was vehemently opposed to it and yes he stated that there is no energy in matter other than that received from the environment. If by this you intend to say he was way off track and incorrect, then I can suggest 2 alternatives: check your premises or lead your own path as you are free to do so. And I'm sorry but Tesla started as far back as 1887 to research X-rays (he found some "plates" were "impressed" randomly during experiments and was intrigued) though he did not categorise them as such and did not write articles on the Electrical Review until 1896 (though he did exchange x-rays with Roentgen himself before showing his radiographs of feet and hands). If Tesla's lab on Houston street hadn't burned down he would have officially predated Roentgen (though he did, unofficially). These are facts.

   I apologise to all as this is leading off-topic to a pure Tesla diatribe. After 20 years of research on Tesla's life and works, I have become intollerant to any further disinformation. Anyone who has doubts can read his researches and writings and articles and additional patent interference transcripts and documents recovered by Leland Anderson, my friend Oliver Nichelson and J.T Ratzlaff. I have no intention on wasting anymore of my time on scholastic confrontation at this point as I have had enough of them, from pseudo researchers to university "professors". I have my point of view and I am entitled to it. I do not wish to impose it on others, but I do not wish to see factual misinformation regarding Tesla spread further, and it is full in these forums. It is simple: if one is not constructive, despite his views and opinions, he is not only useless, but a direct threat to clear reasoning and thus destructive. This is not a problem for myself, but a potential problem for the hundreds of unprepared people that are reading here and are constantly deceived and mislead - however this is the plague of our era.
"Nihil in sacculo quod non fuerit in capite" (Nikola Tesla - 1904).

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5372 on: January 29, 2011, 07:04:47 AM »
  I'm sorry but NO. Tesla absolutely says the opposite and mentions no such thing as "cold current" - ever:

Permanently skewed?

your english is better than you write

Nikola Tesla on His Wok with Alternating Currents and Their Application to Wireless Telegraphy, Telephony, and Transmission of Power

I  have book

Page 75

Counsel
Let's see if I understand you correctly.  If ou have radiation or electromagnetic waves going from your system, the energy is wasted?

Tesla
Absolutely wasted.  From my circuit you can get either electromagnetic waves, 90 percent of electromagnetic waves if you like, and 10 percent in the energy that passes through the earth.  Or, you can reverse the process and get 10 percent of the energy in electromagnetic waves and 90 percent in energy of the earth that passes through the earth.

Both currents like I say.

Cold current just mean than wire not get hot with a big current.  All current is energy motion.

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« Reply #5373 on: January 29, 2011, 07:23:38 AM »
    I have no clue where you are getting at. Tesla did not research "cold electricity", Tesla researched the nature of electricity and magnetism and it's connection to the ether. You say "cold electricity", not Tesla - but you also underline his opposition to Relativism. Yes, Tesla was vehemently opposed to it and yes he stated that there is no energy in matter other than that received from the environment. If by this you intend to say he was way off track and incorrect, then I can suggest 2 alternatives: check your premises or lead your own path as you are free to do so. And I'm sorry but Tesla started as far back as 1887 to research X-rays (he found some "plates" were "impressed" randomly during experiments and was intrigued) though he did not categorise them as such and did not write articles on the Electrical Review until 1896 (though he did exchange x-rays with Roentgen himself before showing his radiographs of feet and hands). If Tesla's lab on Houston street hadn't burned down he would have officially predated Roentgen (though he did, unofficially). These are facts.

   I apologise to all as this is leading off-topic to a pure Tesla diatribe. After 20 years of research on Tesla's life and works, I have become intollerant to any further disinformation. Anyone who has doubts can read his researches and writings and articles and additional patent interference transcripts and documents recovered by Leland Anderson, my friend Oliver Nichelson and J.T Ratzlaff. I have no intention on wasting anymore of my time on scholastic confrontation at this point as I have had enough of them, from pseudo researchers to university "professors". I have my point of view and I am entitled to it. I do not wish to impose it on others, but I do not wish to see factual misinformation regarding Tesla spread further, and it is full in these forums. It is simple: if one is not constructive, despite his views and opinions, he is not only useless, but a direct threat to clear reasoning and thus destructive. This is not a problem for myself, but a potential problem for the hundreds of unprepared people that are reading here and are constantly deceived and mislead - however this is the plague of our era.
"Nihil in sacculo quod non fuerit in capite" (Nikola Tesla - 1904).

Tesla researched the high frequency effects on human thinking from what I recall reading. I don't think his whole life is encompassed in his patents. That cold stinging discharge that comes from a DC arc is what people call cold electricity - it is electron cascade effect and that science is so rock solid don't even go there.

Now to think that the master of sparks Tesla didn't have a clue about electron cascade or the effect on a human would be silly. And what happens when mass loses energy? I gets colder (Bohn model of the atom) and that is rock solid science.

Telsa is a religion for some people - I am an atheist.

That being said - I feel Tesla was absolutely correct about the atom. It is an effect of two energies not the source so don't get me wrong, Tesla was the man, Linderman and others have written a lot of BS and neither of us were there. So we agree on more than you may realize.

Maybe if you stop being a butthead, I will tell you something about Tesla you probably don't know. ;D

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5374 on: January 29, 2011, 07:35:33 AM »
Permanently skewed?

your english is better than you write

Nikola Tesla on His Wok with Alternating Currents and Their Application to Wireless Telegraphy, Telephony, and Transmission of Power

I  have book

Page 75

Counsel
Let's see if I understand you correctly.  If ou have radiation or electromagnetic waves going from your system, the energy is wasted?

Tesla
Absolutely wasted.  From my circuit you can get either electromagnetic waves, 90 percent of electromagnetic waves if you like, and 10 percent in the energy that passes through the earth.  Or, you can reverse the process and get 10 percent of the energy in electromagnetic waves and 90 percent in energy of the earth that passes through the earth.

Both currents like I say.

Cold current just mean than wire not get hot with a big current.  All current is energy motion.

  Please, these are not 2 electricities here. Tesla is merely describing his wireless transmission system which does *not* make use of EM wave propagation (RF) (this is minimised and the "antenna" is replaced by a "tank"), but "conduction" through the earth itself; applying an oscillating HV potential difference between his Wardenclyffe elevated capacity and ground he is "pumping" charges into the earth (check his news paper article if not clear). This is the same effect you would get with 2 capacitor plates: when charging one plate, what happens instantly to the other? Don't tell me you missed this.

  N.B. Tesla did NOT use EM PROPAGATION to transmit power without wires. The basic transmitter and tuned receiver circuit is the same but was totally misinterpreted by Marconi and Hertz which is also why there were many patent interference cases. Nobody even knew what the difference was at the time, let alone distinguish between "Hertzian" transmissions and electric field "conduction" (actually, still today!). The Fessenden patent intereference transcripts are a good read.

quarktoo

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5375 on: January 29, 2011, 07:56:09 AM »
Hety iceweller,

I you know so much about Tesla after your 20 years of research maybe you could answer this question:

Tesla figured out how to remove the heat from a gas and condense it into a liquid. His paper was titled something like "How to expand human growth". He postulated that he could condense nitrogen from the air and use it for fertilizer and he in fact did invent that process.

What form of electricity did Tesla use to remove the heat from mass  and take a gas down to a liquid? Could you point me to a circuit or a patent?

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« Reply #5376 on: January 29, 2011, 08:18:11 AM »
Tesla researched the high frequency effects on human thinking from what I recall reading. I don't think his whole life is encompassed in his patents. That cold stinging discharge that comes from a DC arc is what people call cold electricity - it is electron cascade effect and that science is so rock solid don't even go there.

   His whole life is certainly not encompassed by his patents. That cold stinging discharge is simply a field effect, you are the receiver and the arc is the transmitter. It is instantaneous. Nothing extraordinary here though. "Electron cascade" means simply a DC arc o avalanche or cascading ion chain reaction (freeing electrons) due to HV DC ionising. The "sting" you can feel is the instantaneous charge released into the ionised atmosphere by the arc, depending on it's voltage, that your body instantaneously reacts to as you are mostly water with a neutral charge, exactly as the other side of an air cap plate. The "electron cascade" is not sufficient for this effect (does your ionizer sting you when you turn it on?), you need an instantaneous HV field to feel it. There is no mystery.

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Now to think that the master of sparks Tesla didn't have a clue about electron cascade or the effect on a human would be silly. And what happens when mass loses energy? I gets colder (Bohn model of the atom) and that is rock solid science.

    Setting aside your insult towards Tesla's comprehension of electric effects even if the electron was not discovered yet, I suppose you are referring to Bohr's atom model. Sorry but Niels Bohr only "modeled" the atom based on Rutherford's assumptions and Plank gave it it's orbital energetic levels. What you should be saying is "Molecules loose kinetic energy" as kinetic energy is directly proportional to (generally) Infra red spectrum emission, thus heat. The less kinetic energy, the "colder" the molecule. "Mass" itself does not loose energy like that - do you all heat up when accelerating downhill with your bike or cool down when slowing uphill?

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Telsa is a religion for some people - I am an atheist.

  No comment on this.

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That being said - I feel Tesla was absolutely correct about the atom. It is an effect of two energies not the source so don't get me wrong, Tesla was the man, Linderman and others have written a lot of BS and neither of us were there. So we agree on more than you may realize.

Maybe if you stop being a butthead, I will tell you something about Tesla you probably don't know. ;D

   Firstly, I'm not being a "butthead" but am merely setting the record straight. It is not my intention to start any "flame" with you or anyone else apart from attempting to correct the basic factual scientific errors.
   Secondly, according to Tesla, the atom does not have any energy "per se" but only the one received from the environment, which is what opposed him to the re-emerging relativism.  He stated that if one could shield any radio active element from the primary and secondary solar rays, it would cease to be radioactive.
   Risking to be presumptious, I sincerely and deeply doubt you could tell me something about Tesla that I don't already know or have read or heard about (including electro-propulsion, part of his still classified Dynamic Theory of Gravity), but in life I have learned that anything is possible though the chances of finding out something new (and real!) about Tesla are inversely proportional to my age and years of research. Well, if you have access to Tesla's original still classified papers (which they won't give you through the FOIA as covered by national security or as someone told me "over my dead body"), you certainly will have my full attention --- and I am not being sarcastic or a "butthead".

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5377 on: January 29, 2011, 08:37:30 AM »
Hety iceweller,

I you know so much about Tesla after your 20 years of research maybe you could answer this question:

Tesla figured out how to remove the heat from a gas and condense it into a liquid. His paper was titled something like "How to expand human growth". He postulated that he could condense nitrogen from the air and use it for fertilizer and he in fact did invent that process.

What form of electricity did Tesla use to remove the heat from mass  and take a gas down to a liquid? Could you point me to a circuit or a patent?

   "The problem of increasing Human Energy" which is a very extensive and interesting read - this is what you are referring to. It appears you are mixing the analogy with the Linde process and his burning atmospheric Nitrogen creating a "12 million volt" 65 foot discharge combining it with Oxygen (he was afraid he could ignite the whole of Earth's atmosphere causing a chain reaction) which are two seperate considerations. I already referred to this, and his self acting oscillator a while back with document references. I don't understand what you mean by "form" of electricity; he used his HV coil at oscillating at 100KHz. To point you in the right direction, the Linde process is used to liquefy air (you can find the relevant patent and description of the process easily) by compressing, cooling it using the "delta T" of the external environment then expanding it in a partial feedback loop cooling the incoming air again.
I suggest you reread the document as it is composed of constructive analogies, which Tesla constantly used to explain all his devices:

http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1900-06-00.htm



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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5378 on: January 29, 2011, 09:14:40 AM »
@quark

on page 107 of this thread, you will find dole's circuit.

Be aware you need very high voltage capacitors.

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« Reply #5379 on: January 29, 2011, 09:24:35 AM »
@quark

on page 107 of this thread, you will find dole's circuit.

Be aware you need very high voltage capacitors.

Penno

Thanks Penno, I spotted that already and got some more info. from him.

quarktoo

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5380 on: January 29, 2011, 10:26:19 AM »
   "The problem of increasing Human Energy" which is a very extensive and interesting read - this is what you are referring to. It appears you are mixing the analogy with the Linde process and his burning atmospheric Nitrogen creating a "12 million volt" 65 foot discharge combining it with Oxygen (he was afraid he could ignite the whole of Earth's atmosphere causing a chain reaction) which are two seperate considerations. I already referred to this, and his self acting oscillator a while back with document references. I don't understand what you mean by "form" of electricity; he used his HV coil at oscillating at 100KHz. To point you in the right direction, the Linde process is used to liquefy air (you can find the relevant patent and description of the process easily) by compressing, cooling it using the "delta T" of the external environment then expanding it in a partial feedback loop cooling the incoming air again.
I suggest you reread the document as it is composed of constructive analogies, which Tesla constantly used to explain all his devices:

http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1900-06-00.htm

Nope, not the Linde process he wrote of way back in 1900. It was a photo of an apparatus invented much later that used scalar waves to precipitate or condense gas into a liquid. Have only run across it a few times in the last 20 years and probably invented after he wrote The Problem of Increasing Human Energy.

Core and I have a theory that Kapanadzi has a nitrogen laser in the core of his transformer. This quote from Tesla describes the process beautifully. The photons emitted would be equal to the hydrogen and oxygen gasses that bubble from the tank.

BTW - I am not going  to tell you that thing about Tesla you assume you know. Why? Should be obvious.

"To create such a "sink," or "cold hole," as we might say, in the medium, would be equivalent to producing in the lake a space either empty or filled with something much lighter than water.  This we could do by placing in the lake a tank, and pumping all the water out of the latter.  We know, then, that the water, if allowed to flow back into the tank, would, theoretically, be able to perform exactly the same amount of work which was used in pumping it out, but not a bit more.  Consequently nothing could be gained in this double operation of first raising the water and then letting it fall down.  This would mean that it is impossible to create such a sink in the medium.  But let us reflect a moment.  Heat, though following certain general laws of mechanics, like a fluid, is not such; it is energy which may be converted into other forms of energy as it passes from a high to a low level.  To make our mechanical analogy complete and true, we must, therefore, assume that the water, in its passage into the tank, is converted into something else, which may be taken out of it without using any, or by using very little, power.  For example, if heat be represented in this analogue by the water of the lake, the oxygen and hydrogen composing the water may illustrate other forms of energy into which the heat is transformed in passing from hot to cold.  If the process of heat transformation were absolutely perfect, no heat at all would arrive at the low level, since all of it would be converted into other forms of energy.  Corresponding to this ideal case, all the water flowing into the tank would be decomposed into oxygen and hydrogen before reaching the bottom, and the result would be that water would continually flow in, and yet the tank would remain entirely empty, the gases formed escaping.  We would thus produce, by expending initially a certain amount of work to create a sink for the heat or, respectively, the water to flow in, a condition enabling us to get any amount of energy without further effort.  This would be an ideal way of obtaining motive power.  We do not know of any such absolutely perfect process of heat-conversion, and consequently some heat will generally reach the low level, which means to say, in our mechanical analogue, that some water will arrive at the bottom of the tank, and a gradual and slow filling of the latter will take place, necessitating continuous pumping out.  But evidently there will be less to pump out than flows in, or, in other words, less energy will be needed to maintain the initial condition than is developed by the fall, and this is to say that some energy will be gained from the medium.  What is not converted in flowing down can just be raised up with its own energy, and what is converted is clear gain. Thus the virtue of the principle I have discovered resides wholly in the conversion of the energy on the downward flow."

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5381 on: January 29, 2011, 12:28:12 PM »
@all,

Has anyone been following Delamorto ?

http://www.youtube.com/user/delamortodelamorto#p/a/u/0/OegYgl3STHY

I would love to replicate !

Has anyone been able to create a wiring diagram/schematic ?

I would love to know what the orange component is between flyback HV lead and
what seems to be a microwave oven diode.

I at first thought that he had two caps in parallel - but on closer inspection, I find that they are
ferrite beads.

I think his pop rivet spark gap is ingenious.

Is the secret in the doable winding method. It seems not so difficult if you view it at full screen.

Notice the vast difference when the toroids are disconnected from the ground point.

I can't believe more of you are not onto this !

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5382 on: January 29, 2011, 01:52:43 PM »
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I would love to know what the orange component is between


oh that's right, it is diode!

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you can learn it all more detailed at delamorto's device topic here http://lix.in/-8f1771
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« Reply #5383 on: January 29, 2011, 01:58:43 PM »
I was thinking that perhaps Leedskalnin had built something similar
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/6236/bottiglia.jpg
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5384 on: January 29, 2011, 03:56:54 PM »
@all,

Has anyone been following Delamorto ?

http://www.youtube.com/user/delamortodelamorto#p/a/u/0/OegYgl3STHY

I would love to replicate !

Has anyone been able to create a wiring diagram/schematic ?

I would love to know what the orange component is between flyback HV lead and
what seems to be a microwave oven diode.

I at first thought that he had two caps in parallel - but on closer inspection, I find that they are
ferrite beads.

I think his pop rivet spark gap is ingenious.

Is the secret in the doable winding method. It seems not so difficult if you view it at full screen.

Notice the vast difference when the toroids are disconnected from the ground point.

I can't believe more of you are not onto this !

Penno

In this setup no OU. Orange and black component is diodes. I make this setup long time ago, and no happy end. :-( (no OU).

If turn in this coil ferrite core, light is stronger!