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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16498441 times)

cosmoLV

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3990 on: October 05, 2010, 09:24:34 PM »
To take the energy exchanger theory one step further. Ideally the higher energy flow is on the inside and lower on the outside. Also they flow in opposite directions. So where the low energy mass enters the heat exchanger the high energy mass exits. They are opposing each other, this maximizes energy transfer.

Some food for thought.

Respectfully,

Core


If it is truly a parametric converter, which based on what I've seen is possible, I can easily build a case why resonance is not needed. The currents in the spark can easily go to several hundred amps or more, and according to 0.5*dL*I2, a high current is more important than a big delta L. It's not too hard to build a math case why a 0.1 joule spark could become 0.2 joules or more of extra energy at the output coil. Do that repeatedly, and you can produce significant amounts of real power.

There are great explanations, keep focus on that.


I have few remarks/comments/etc.

About shielding:
Is it meant that the coils are to be outside and the other related electronics inside a shielded box ? Is this the reason for an aluminum briefcase in the recent photo from cosmo? As also with Kapanadze video's green box ?


About Donald Lee Smith's designs. Look at the phrase used there @ http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/DonSmith.html

Donald says his device is heavily commercialized, yet i can't find anything in Google.

"However, he says that he discloses enough for somebody who is experienced in radio-frequency electronics to be able to deduce the things which he does not disclose and so build a device for his own use. If that is the case, then anybody who has succeeded in doing so has kept very quiet about it afterwards (which is understandable). Having said that, Tariel Kapanadze of Georgia appears to have replicated one of the designs although it is quite likely that Tariel deduced the operating principles for himself. These principles are clearly based on the work of Nikola Tesla."

Tariel may not be the 1st one, since Donald was there in 1994 with very same design it looks to me.

This design says it all or not ?
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/DonSmith/Don27.gif

If this is correct, then the 6-turn big diameter coil L-1 is connected to HVolt/HFreq (like 8KV/35KHz).
"L-1 and L-2 coils are now present. L-1 has a smaller number of turns and is several times the diameter of L-2. Input from a 12 volt high-voltage laser driver source, produces 8,000 volts with a low level of wasted energy, pushing amperage into, say, 4 turns of coil L-1. Each turn of the L-1 coil then acquires 2,000 volts of resonant potential. Consequently, each turn of L-2 is then exposed to the electric flux of 2,000 volts. Each turn at the bottom end of L-2 acquires 2,000 volts. The flux lines are squared and are additive as the voltage and amperage progresses towards the top end of L-2's large number of turns.
A huge number of additional flux lines which were not previously present become present at the top end of the L-2 coil. These flux lines excite the nearby electrons in it's earth and air and groundings. This high level of excitement above the ambient, causes a large number of electrons which were not previously a part of the energy present, to become available for use. At this point over-unity is present in large amounts."


About the dark forces:
Only if this type device and knowledge is publicly known (like Vladimir Utkin does as example), it can break the grip of TPTB on people like us gathered here. The elite ("The Gods") has unimaginable more info and tools and gadgets as we can ever dream. Internet is only medium that may derail them.

To tell the truth, what Tariel did is not the right way. He wants mainly money out of it. He will have it, but not this way by patent. This way to go means to go along with the current system. Free energy (i say it comes from "freedom", and not "for free" or "no money to pay") was suppressed by the powers to build up the current system and control/lock us inside it. The spread use of OU device maybe derail it. So it makes no sense to swim with them and piss in the same pool. Better is to release it in public and collect the respect. In nature, there are no patents, no money, no electric from the plug in your wall.

i connot imagine smith device as Free energy generator - Smith has done a big job, but there nothing smells from Free energy

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About the dark forces:
Only if this type device and knowledge is publicly known (like Vladimir Utkin does as example), it can break the grip of TPTB on people like us gathered here. The elite ("The Gods") has unimaginable more info and tools and gadgets as we can ever dream. Internet is only medium that may derail them.
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"has unimaginable more info and tools and gadgets as we can ever dream"

What is gadgets without knowing what to do with it? and why these forces are so interest about tariel and asked him the technology - from USA to Arab emirate forces - i think they not know how to work device :)


LtBolo

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3991 on: October 05, 2010, 10:04:40 PM »
A ferrite core on the outside of a coil has almost no effect on the inductance, and as such, would be nearly impossible to saturate from the inside out...that says the saturating coil must be on the outside. So far, I'm not seeing much effect on the inside coil, no matter what I do, but clearly somebody thinks it's useful.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3992 on: October 05, 2010, 10:08:24 PM »

Cosmo

On the attached schematic, which coil is the one that you have inside your ferrite core?

Thank you,
DonL


cosmoLV

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3993 on: October 05, 2010, 10:19:23 PM »
Cosmo

On the attached schematic, which coil is the one that you have inside your ferrite core?

Thank you,
DonL

in this schematics inside coil are not provided

TheCell

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3994 on: October 05, 2010, 10:54:59 PM »
Regarding the magnetic amplifier sparkbangbuzz.com :
using the two transformers with their HV windings connected that way the HV voltages cancel each other, while applying a small dc voltage to them modulates the impedance of the whole thing.
(resulting in a dc current that drives the core into saturation)

So if we modulate this dc voltage with the nmr frequency of the iron should this enable the nmr effect (nuclear magnetic resonace).
Is this frequency 21 MHz ?

What type of core should we use to prevent remagnetization losses ?
What use has a spark gap in this setup anyway?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3995 on: October 05, 2010, 10:57:28 PM »
in this schematics inside coil are not provided

That's what I thought you would say.

Thank you for confirming my thought.

Thanks for all your help.  I'm actually understanding this now.    :)

DonL

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3996 on: October 05, 2010, 11:39:52 PM »
A ferrite core on the outside of a coil has almost no effect on the inductance, and as such, would be nearly impossible to saturate from the inside out...that says the saturating coil must be on the outside. So far, I'm not seeing much effect on the inside coil, no matter what I do, but clearly somebody thinks it's useful.

If the current in both coils goes in opposite direction then the field will be concentrated between them,the place of the ferrite ring, and be near zero in the middle of the whole. If that's the case in his setup or has any benefit is unknown.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3997 on: October 05, 2010, 11:55:53 PM »
If the current in both coils goes in opposite direction then the field will be concentrated between them,the place of the ferrite ring, and be near zero in the middle of the whole. If that's the case in his setup or has any benefit is unknown.

I agree that it will be concentrated in the ferrite, at least until the ferrite saturates, after which it's anybody's guess, but it appears that it will change the way the two coils interact.

As for whether there is any benefit, I guess we are supposed to assume the pictures are from a functional devices, although admittedly Cosmo didn't claim that. Actually, he never mentioned where the pictures are from, did he? However, we may need to try and understand what would happen in that configuration. There is apparently some aspect of physics that isn't in the books, and these devices use it. If this was obvious, or using well understood techniques, I think it would be common knowledge by now...so...no matter how strange it is, whatever is left needs to be explored...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3998 on: October 05, 2010, 11:59:01 PM »
A ferrite core on the outside of a coil has almost no effect on the inductance, and as such, would be nearly impossible to saturate from the inside out...that says the saturating coil must be on the outside. So far, I'm not seeing much effect on the inside coil, no matter what I do, but clearly somebody thinks it's useful.

Well let me throw this at you. What if a saturated core is just a means to facilitate transport of energy from one stream to the other? This 'other' stream would then contain the additional energy that was picked up in the transfer.

Respectfully,

Core

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3999 on: October 06, 2010, 12:19:52 AM »
Honestly, I have no clue Core. I will also say that I hate the games...and this whole thing feel like a child's game (warmer...warmer...HOT...smokin' HOT!...colder...ice cold...etc, etc, ad nauseum).

A simple question that I would love answered is..."Where does the extra energy enter the system?" That one answer would completely shape the course of my research. Cosmo suggests very strongly that parameter change is where that happens, but won't come right out and say it. Inductive parameter change is well known (among FE circles, anyway) to increase the energy in the circuit by 0.5*dL*I2 and capacitive parameter change does the same by 0.5*dC*V2. Is that added energy 'free'? Great question. Dollard seemed to think so...but he don't come around here no more...as we say here in Tennessee. If so, then we just need to efficiently jack the current up in the secondary, then saturate the core while the current is high, and collect the energy. On the other hand, it takes energy to saturate that core, and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest that the energy gained and saturation energy were equal.

My very first question on the subject of parameter change, was whether the core would saturate at an energy discount due to the ferro-resonance. Meaning, if rather than a conventional saturation, where we simply run out of core material to charge, we gain a saturation-like behavior where the ferrite molecules are resonating and therefore look more like ferrite above the Curie temperature...non magnetic. If the latter is the case, this is easier than we are making it. If not, then we are back to exotic physics that I don't understand and am rapidly arriving at the end of my patience.

It would be a dandy thing to get an actual straight answer, but clearly that ain't gonna happen.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4000 on: October 06, 2010, 12:20:41 AM »
Duplicate post...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4001 on: October 06, 2010, 01:27:10 AM »
Finally got some ferrite rings in. I guess I will be starting with the first experiment again.

Respectfully,

Core

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4002 on: October 06, 2010, 01:51:59 AM »
ok, cosmo can you answer a few questions ?

1. does energy excess come from resonance (without details) ? 
2. coil arrangement (HV vs LV) on schematic is intentional or not ?
3. ferrite rings were what Tesla was searching so many years in so many patents  ::) till thirties ?
4. do you know how old is that effect ? personally I found a printed notifications from around 1870
@LtBolo

I think it was always about light switch on the wall  ::) Have you found strange thing with incandescent bulbs ? they tend to blow when you turn the switch not just when lit for a hours...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4003 on: October 06, 2010, 02:05:08 AM »
ok, cosmo can you answer a few questions ?

1. does energy excess come from resonance (without details) ? 
2. coil arrangement (HV vs LV) on schematic is intentional or not ?
3. ferrite rings were what Tesla was searching so many years in so many patents  ::) till thirties ?
4. do you know how old is that effect ? personally I found a printed notifications from around 1870
@LtBolo

I think it was always about light switch on the wall  ::) Have you found strange thing with incandescent bulbs ? they tend to blow when you turn the switch not just when lit for a hours...

1. No - it comes from changing parameters of ferrite medium
2. yes, but not so critical
3. i do not have info on this - (can you provide link on that information?)
4. No

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4004 on: October 06, 2010, 02:05:25 AM »
Finally got some ferrite rings in. I guess I will be starting with the first experiment again.

Respectfully,

Core

Core:

Nice toroids.  Hey if the Kapanadze device experiments do not work out, if those are high permeability toroids, you can make some very powerful Joule Thief circuits out of them.  Probably close to 2,000 volts from a single AA battery.
I look forward to seeing your results.

Bill