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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 15808499 times)

Offline LtBolo

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3885 on: September 30, 2010, 10:56:31 PM »
We took a ferrite rod, approximately 3/8" by 8", wound about 70 turns of stranded wire on it. Capacitive discharge through spark gap from 10kv oil furnace transformer, into coil. The screen shot is from ungrounded scope probe lying beside the coil.

It appears that the inductance starts low and then increases very rapidly. The frequency decreases by about 4X over the ring period, indicating a 16X increase in inductance. Very interesting, and very useful.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3886 on: October 01, 2010, 12:56:11 AM »
We took a ferrite rod, approximately 3/8" by 8", wound about 70 turns of stranded wire on it. Capacitive discharge through spark gap from 10kv oil furnace transformer, into coil. The screen shot is from ungrounded scope probe lying beside the coil.

It appears that the inductance starts low and then increases very rapidly. The frequency decreases by about 4X over the ring period, indicating a 16X increase in inductance. Very interesting, and very useful.

When ferrite staurates lnductance drops... higher curren at the beggining bigger starutation lower inducntacen, higher frequency..

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3887 on: October 01, 2010, 01:10:49 AM »
So you would expect a ferrite bar of that size with only 70 turns to saturate in a few nanoseconds? The frequency is starting out at about 1Mhz, and the initial spike at the bottom is only a few nanoseconds wide.

I guess it's possible, but the voltage isn't flattening out like I would expect it to with saturation. I think the effect is similar to saturation, but perhaps the radiant burst from the coil is scrambling the magnetic domains. Makes it act like an air core while the domains are scrambled and then gradually restoring back to a ferrite inductor.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3888 on: October 01, 2010, 01:41:45 AM »
So you would expect a ferrite bar of that size with only 70 turns to saturate in a few nanoseconds? The frequency is starting out at about 1Mhz, and the initial spike at the bottom is only a few nanoseconds wide.

I guess it's possible, but the voltage isn't flattening out like I would expect it to with saturation. I think the effect is similar to saturation, but perhaps the radiant burst from the coil is scrambling the magnetic domains. Makes it act like an air core while the domains are scrambled and then gradually restoring back to a ferrite inductor.

@LtBolo

   Any chance you could share a picture of your setup? Also is your HV coil wired in Bifilar fashion?

Respectfully,

Core

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3889 on: October 01, 2010, 02:03:32 AM »
@LtBolo

   Any chance you could share a picture of your setup? Also is your HV coil wired in Bifilar fashion?

Respectfully,

Core

Also a schematic of your modifications made to Cosmo schematic?
You mention capacitive discharge but Cosmo doesn't have a capacitor in his schematic.

Thanks in advance for any information,
DonL


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3890 on: October 01, 2010, 02:40:39 AM »
So you would expect a ferrite bar of that size with only 70 turns to saturate in a few nanoseconds? The frequency is starting out at about 1Mhz, and the initial spike at the bottom is only a few nanoseconds wide.

I guess it's possible, but the voltage isn't flattening out like I would expect it to with saturation. I think the effect is similar to saturation, but perhaps the radiant burst from the coil is scrambling the magnetic domains. Makes it act like an air core while the domains are scrambled and then gradually restoring back to a ferrite inductor.

It depends upon the ferrite that you have.  There are many different types for many different uses.  Do you know the permeability numbers for your particular ferrite?  In the JT topic, I have always used the W material with a permeability of 10,000 which allows very fast saturation and release to enable huge spikes.

Bill

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3891 on: October 01, 2010, 04:55:55 AM »
Bad schematics, but hopefully you get the gist.

Not sure what the specs on the ferrite rods are. The coil measures about 240uH. It's 67 turns of 16 gauge stranded. Took a picture, but don't have my cable to extract from phone. Sorry.

Circuit1 is the test circuit that produced the previous scope trace. The apparent inductance change is always there. Spark is insanely load, painfully bright blue, and brushy.

In Circuit2, I added another 50 turn coil to the ferrite, and hooked up a load to it...100W halogen bulb...glows brightly. Spark the same.

In Circuit3, I removed the cap. Discharge is quiet yellow arc. Bulb does nothing. With the bulb removed, the inductor doesn't show the same kind of behavior as before. Only with the cap and the bright blue discharge does the inductor behavior change.

I would add that although I didn't check it this time, generally the brighter and louder the spark, the less current draw at the wall.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3892 on: October 01, 2010, 01:27:14 PM »
In Circuit3, I removed the cap. Discharge is quiet yellow arc. Bulb does nothing. With the bulb removed, the inductor doesn't show the same kind of behavior as before. Only with the cap and the bright blue discharge does the inductor behavior change.


@LtBolo

  Any chance you can place a piece of metal against the end of the ferrite to hear what happens? I believe Cosmo spoke about a distinctive sound. Also any way you can adjust the xfr output from 10k to 2k? On all the videos the spark gap is not very powerful.
One more question. Are you powering the secondary?

Respectfully,

Core

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3893 on: October 01, 2010, 02:14:50 PM »
I did play with configurations more like Cosmo proposed, including metal and magnets...I did not see anything anomalous. We were powering the secondary with DC, at various current levels. However, we were using just a small ferrite rod and not the larger stacked toroid core, and my pulse rate is only about 120Hz. At higher frequencies it may be more pronounced.

No easy way to lower voltage, although I would expect effects to be less. We narrowed the spark gap and saw a reduced effect.

I had arrived at some preconceptions about what I expected to happen, which was that a radiant pulse would scramble the magnetic domains of the ferrite, rendering it more like air. That is what appears to be happening, although only when there is an obvious capacitively driven radiant discharge and not with the milder inductive discharge. I thought it also very instructive that when a load was placed on the secondary, only with the radiant discharge did anything significant happen there.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3894 on: October 01, 2010, 03:26:19 PM »
i`m little busy at work, but i draw more to show, maybe this bring little bit more light..


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3895 on: October 01, 2010, 04:15:15 PM »
i`m little busy at work, but i draw more to show, maybe this bring little bit more light..

Thanks for the patience Cosmo. I saved this image, I will be starting with the original one first so I can get a better understanding.

With much respect,

Core

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3896 on: October 01, 2010, 04:20:52 PM »
i`m little busy at work, but i draw more to show, maybe this bring little bit more light..

Thank you for taking the time during work to send us this schematic.

DonL

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3897 on: October 01, 2010, 04:57:04 PM »

Wesley

Did you use ferrite in the coil in this video you made?
"Kapanadze ? WOLNA ENERGIA PRZYGOTOWANIA I PROGRES video#14"

Thank you,
DonL

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3898 on: October 01, 2010, 08:45:37 PM »
... I would add that although I didn't check it this time, generally the brighter and louder the spark, the less current draw at the wall.
If you add another HV capacitor to the other side(bottom) of the coil input, that would effectively make it a Tesla hairpin circuit, right?

Experienced experimenters indicated louder, longer and brighter arcs were seen after capacitors were added, so one capacitor would logically give partial results.

--Lee

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3899 on: October 01, 2010, 08:53:34 PM »
If you add another HV capacitor to the other side(bottom) of the coil input, that would effectively make it a Tesla hairpin circuit, right?

Experienced experimenters indicated louder, longer and brighter arcs were seen after capacitors were added, so one capacitor would logically give partial results.

--Lee

Kapanadze arc is silent