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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13870054 times)

Offline LtBolo

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3660 on: September 21, 2010, 05:56:33 PM »
A basic device from China will not alter the balance of energy in the world, Wesley. Only when houses and cars are powered by free energy will you see a significant economic stress/change in the world. That will happen in time...but it will take time...and while that happens, the world will reconfigure. It has happened many times before, it will will happen again. It is simply not economically possible for it to happen very quickly.

The world will be just fine.

So why don't we quit worrying about things we can't change, and return to talking about the devices...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3661 on: September 21, 2010, 06:22:46 PM »
A basic device from China will not alter the balance of energy in the world, Wesley. Only when houses and cars are powered by free energy will you see a significant economic stress/change in the world. That will happen in time...but it will take time...and while that happens, the world will reconfigure. It has happened many times before, it will will happen again. It is simply not economically possible for it to happen very quickly.

The world will be just fine.

So why don't we quit worrying about things we can't change, and return to talking about the devices...
Point very well taken. That is what I was expecting from you. Intelligent  discussion comparing to  some of "barking dogs" on this forum.
Yes no question about it.
The lighting and heating houses could be done with basic concept of Tariel.That does not take time. You will see mass production everywhere and by 99% of experienced members of this forum. With Chinese automatic production lines production of the devices may start overnight.
With just over 1.3 billion people (1330044605 as of mid-2008), China is the world's largest and most populous country.
1 billion of basic devices could be done with  the time period of 2 weeks
Add to that everyone from the world trying to win competition plus Japan and German technology.How about that?
Yes cars will take longer. But immediate refusal to pay for energy  will devastate world economy.
Everyone will  want that by tomorrow. And stop to pay for gas supply and electricity by today hoping that  within the month he or his friend will make it working at his basement. Judaical system will have no power to collect unpaid balances.Conspiracy theory will be creating supporting base for refusal to pay bills as most of the countries will clame that they have had this technology  before Tariel or technology is not patentable . 
Wesley

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3662 on: September 21, 2010, 08:32:20 PM »


It would be hard to cost justify when someone only spends $100-200 per month on electricity.



DonL

Wow, my electric bill averages a little over $30/month and that includes the heating and air conditioning, water heater and cooking.  It would take me even longer to break even.

Bill

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3662 on: September 21, 2010, 08:32:20 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3663 on: September 21, 2010, 09:09:58 PM »
Wesley,
I think your still trying for the "Movie" deal!
would make a nice horror story!

@Bill,
what do you heat the house with candles??
I guess thats one way to keep the women close[freeze em]

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3664 on: September 21, 2010, 09:20:01 PM »

1 billion of basic devices could be done with  the time period of 2 weeks
Wesley

This is providing there are a billion of the components available in that time frame.   :o

Supply and demand.
The demand will be great so you can be sure the prices will soar especially as the supply dwindles.  :'(

DonL
 

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Offline LtBolo

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3665 on: September 21, 2010, 10:23:37 PM »
This is providing there are a billion of the components available in that time frame.   :o

Supply and demand.
The demand will be great so you can be sure the prices will soar especially as the supply dwindles.  :'(

Bingo. Can't happen. And it isn't just materials and manufacturing...the retrofit labor cost would go nuts, since there aren't that many certified electricians...

Great movie subject, to be sure...but pretty boring in reality. The bulk of the conversion would take a decade...minimum.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3666 on: September 21, 2010, 11:02:08 PM »
World is badly upset today.Most of jobs are not related to actual humanity needs while a couple of global corporations could produce food for all world population.
Economy is like plastic - usable but we don't know what to do with garbage leftover...
That discussion may be obsolete already...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3667 on: September 21, 2010, 11:30:04 PM »
Chet:

I run the heat pump.  I set it at about 60 in the winter and 85 in the summer.  I also use some old style kerosene lamps which put out both light and heat.  In the dead of winter, I spend about $5/month on kero.

And, of course, I have many JT driven lights using "dead" batteries that I get for free so I have a lot of free light too.  I also run my Christmas lights every year from my earth battery.

I do all this because it is fun and I save a bunch of money which is in very short supply these days. 

I love it when the power company sends someone out to test my meter thinking that it is not reading high enough because my bills are less than half of my neighbors in the surrounding apartments.

Bill

PS  I live alone and that makes it much easier to use less power.  No women here....sigh.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3668 on: September 22, 2010, 12:05:37 AM »
Bingo. Can't happen. And it isn't just materials and manufacturing...the retrofit labor cost would go nuts, since there aren't that many certified electricians...

Great movie subject, to be sure...but pretty boring in reality. The bulk of the conversion would take a decade...minimum.
Let's take some of philosophical math

1.Half o the population of China are women   of total population
> 1.3 billion.
If than we say that women are working force as well than 50% of them  could do the job  that gives you 0.433333+0.65=1.0833 billion of total working force. That roughly means 1 device per one working Chinese per day.
If than 10% of that force will manufacture 10 devices per day  per worker = 1 billion per day.
Than if we say manufacturing line  of
Foxconn a company is 800 000 employees
and
100 000 employees  manufacturers are no strange to China (very much common.)
Than we have  material to count as working force is no problem

Material for  so many devices is :
Ferrite pipe( They do not have to cut pipe to rings)Just bake them( less labor)
Copper Wire
Transistors and capacitors
Leftover HV transformers from former production of TV sets ( for very small practical and educational devices) or manufacture them on existing not fully utilized production lines.

So one billion devices in 2 weeks will be no problem
This will be  priority demand  for such.
Wesley







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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3669 on: September 22, 2010, 12:07:59 AM »
Bill,
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PS  I live alone and that makes it much easier to use less power.  No women here....sigh.
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Perhaps this is the real secret towards OU?:]
Well definately the secret towards more experiment time!

@Wesley
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So one billion devices in 2 weeks will be no problem

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Two weeks??
Amature !
 In my movie the Chinese children, do this before breakfast![for homework]
And they do the apocalypse for lunch!
Chet

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3670 on: September 22, 2010, 12:17:01 AM »
He he whan we lack new ideas we talk about politics and implications of device we havent made YET  ;D

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3671 on: September 22, 2010, 12:45:46 AM »
Let's take some of philosophical math

You like to argue, don't you Wesley?

I run an electronics manufacturing company and I deal with the Chinese at times. Please trust me when I say it can't happen. Material management, manufacturing, shipping, warehousing, marketing, sales, support, etc. It honestly can't happen, and it won't. In time, yes, but not overnight and not even within a year.

Given that nobody here has even built a successful device, it seems a bit premature to be worrying about how the world will end because of it...doncha think?


So, any fresh ideas?


I haven't seen any discussions of FreeEnergyItalia's (Italian guy) claimed OU device on Youtube. http://www.youtube.com/user/FreeEnergyItalia#p/u/12/13KPCNup_YE If it has been discussed, I missed it, so please forgive me. It appears to be a Tesla coil with some perforated aluminum plates wrapped around it. They appear to be a capacitor which is capturing the radial electric field. The perforations would be needed to prevent eddy currents from killing the coil resonance, I guess.

We have played a bit with Tesla coils in our lab. I held a piece of copper sheet hooked to ground through a 33 ohm load resistor up beside the coil. It didn't seem to cause any reduction in energy in the coil, until I got close enough for the coil to start discharging into the plate. Long before then, however, I started seeing significant voltage across the resistor. It was clear that significant energy can be harnessed capacitively from the radial electric field, possibly without a significant reduction in the coil's energy. That appears to be what FreeEnergyItalia is doing, but there may be more to it.

The only reason I mention it is that if Kapanadze's output coil was bifilar wound to eliminate the magnetic coupling, it would still be capacitively coupled and perhaps not kill the resonance. The bifilar coil...which would act as a cap...could then be tied to a transformer which could step the voltage down to something more usable. Another interesting possibility is that if the inductance of the step down transformer were high enough, the bifilar coil/cap and transformer combo might be resonant at a lower frequency...a subharmonic...of the Tesla coil frequency, which in addition to stepping down the voltage, might also step down the frequency.

It's very speculative...yes. Just trying to stir the pot.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3672 on: September 22, 2010, 03:58:19 AM »
    Duplicating Tariels device would be a great personal/team achievement. I say this because all my searching on other forums, of his invention, has left me to believe that we are closer to colonizing Mars then building a prototype. A good example is this thread that started in mid 2009. Here we are and everybody is no closer then the day this thread was opened. 

    Having said that, I believe that a fresh start wouldn't hurt. So I would like to share what I have been thinking. I myself am new to the OU scene. I stumbled across Moray by accident back in May of this year. Needless to say one thing led to another and then I came across Tariel's energy device. This device intrigues me, unlike the stories of others there are many video's that cement his invention as legitimate. Knowing that nobody has been able to replicate it makes this the Holy Grail of replications.

    One of the issues I've seen with the attempt to replicate is that there is no basic plan / base theory to help guide/nurture the flow of idea's. This is my opinion and please feel free to correct me if one has been presented. Prior to me doing any experimenting I need to create a road map or a basic blueprint of design direction. This is important to me as time is limited.

My starting point.

    A member on this forum CosmolV made a statement in another forum that created a bit of a 'fire storm'. His comment got me thinking, to quote from memory I believe it went something like this.

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That coil is no good you are killing the electrons you need to 'born' electrons.

Also I believe he and others have said the following:

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Don't take power from the coil

   With those quotes in my head I started to think about my 'road map'. I started thinking about the refrigeration cycle. An air-conditioning system is not an OU device but I feel that the 'Process' bears a resemblance to Tariels energy device. Allow me to explain.



Looking at the refrigeration cycle there are four main components:
(1) - Compressor * increases refrigerant pressure/temperature, draws refrigerant from evaporator.

(2) - Condenser * reject heat/energy into surrounding media it must De-superheat, Condense, Subcool refrigerant. A change of state is created in condenser, vapor to liquid.

(3) - Metering device * controls the 'all important' flow of refrigerant into evaporator by creating a pressure drop/restriction. Converts a high temperature high pressure liquid to a low temperature low pressure liquid.

(4) - Evaporator * absorbs heat/energy from surrounding media into the refrigerant. A change of state occurs from vapor/liquid refrigerant to all vapor. Superheat is a function of the evaporator.

    A refrigeration unit is a 'Closed' system no refrigerant is lost or used up. The refrigerant transports energy from one place to the other. In order to do this the refrigerant must undergo a change of state. Tariels device does not work off magic it also must follow a process. Refrigerant itself can be said to have OU properties as energy can be removed and absorbed without a change in pressure (ie..Superheat and Subcooling).

Looking at Tariels device we can make a comparison to the refrigeration cycle.

I feel compelled to have to make this statement.
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I am not saying Tariel's device is an air-conditioning system.
I have read many forums and people look to start arguments. :(

Moving on.

   Tariel's device does the following, absorbs energy from one point and rejects it at another point. How this is done is the 'secret' but if we compare it to a refrigeration system, that also absorbs energy at one point and rejects at another, we can start to see what components are needed.

   For the refrigeration cycle to do this the four components mentioned above are needed. Lets assume or guess the following:
 
Compressor--> High Voltage transformer.
Piping system--> Wiring
Refrigerant--> High voltage
Condenser--> Coil A (combines multiple processes into one output) *output of system
Metering device --> Spark gap
Evaporator--> Coil B (combines multiple processes into one input) *Input of system

  Perhaps I am on the wrong track here, but from what I have seen everybody else is. Going forward my direction on solving this secret will be based on designing/experimenting around the above needed components.
  Ultimately these are the components that will be needed.

Respectfully,

Core
« Last Edit: September 22, 2010, 04:55:14 AM by core »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3673 on: September 22, 2010, 04:58:35 AM »
core, you are on right way thinker :)
by the way, these comments on that forum where you get my comments are writing on when i be on happines and have lot of emotions, so these some comments what i made are not good - sorry for that, just understand my position on that time my comments were rough there (i want to say sorry)

i just post something from my private message was i said to one guy: (explaining SR device)

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High voltage in specific frequency make death magnetic field = no magnetism at all if with second turn of wire are magnetised this core.
The High voltage resets magnetism, but if we synchronise this with in halfamplitude or correctly Half Wave then half wave HV and Half Wave Low Voltage, then we can turn this ferrite core in electric generator, and it work like combustion engine.

high voltage is injector and low voltage are piston, magnetic field is combustion chamber (something like this)

i don't have technical language, so i explain good as i can... anyway i have visual thinking, so you need to think in visual way too.

By the way - i always liked holographic images

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3674 on: September 22, 2010, 08:56:00 AM »
Philosophies and speculations... Any experiment lately supporting at least a hint of your words? ;)
Clearly all of us are out of realistic ideas..

...
Concerning the heat pump analogy to kapanadze unit, i think this is not the case. The refrigirant liquid has the property upon pressure to liquefy (and be heated) and upon release from pressure to vaporize and cool.

What is the analog property of electricity so as to pump energy from environment?

 

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