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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16505170 times)

ramset

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9270 on: December 01, 2011, 02:34:38 AM »
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verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9271 on: December 01, 2011, 02:38:48 AM »
I put a light bulb in water and ran some tests !

Can't see why this method Could not be modified to test Wesley's watt usage??

It could be if the light bulb heater was calibrated first with a known DC current, because light bulbs convert electrical power into non-heating radiation besides heat.  A non-incandescent resistive heater would not have this flaw.

But despite that, it is a much better method than eyeballing the bulb's brightness. It's even better than a SWR/W RF meter because it measures power down to DC.

Water calorimetry is undisputable but as a lab instrument  it is unattractive because it's so sloooow.

A light bulb locked in a paint can with a photodiode or a photovoltaic cell can measure the power level almost immediately and from high frequencies down to DC (calibrated with known DC current, of course)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9272 on: December 01, 2011, 02:53:03 AM »
I cannot understand what all the fuss is about!?
Is Wesley asking you to spend hundreds on equipment? NO
Is he asking you to spend weeks and weeks of your time? NO
Is he asking you to make expensive trips abroad?  NO
Is he asking for hours of theoretical analysis? NO
 
All he is asking is for a couple hours of your time to wind a special coil.
Most of you have your own spark gaps anyway, from Tesla stuff etc.
Just build it, THEN ASK QUESTIONS.
That's what I am doing.
SIMPLE WAY TO PROVE OVERUNITY:
Run the experiment from a 12v  car battery via inverter.
Instead of a lightbulb use a correctly rated diode to pulse charge the battery.
 
1 Measure starting voltage on battery with all equipment OFF!
2 Run experiment for 15 minutes.
3 Wait 5 minutes
4 Measure voltage on battery with all other equipment OFF.
No need for fancy equipment or scopes.
If battery voltage at the end is higher, then you have overunity. Or more appropriately C.O.P. > 1
SIMPLE.
Legal Note: This post is for information only. Do not perform this test unless you have the necessary permits.
I accept no responsibility whatsoever if you choose to do the experiment.
High voltage is dangerous and can kill.
Batteries may explode if pulse charged.
If you perform the experiment it is on the understanding that this information is for educational purposes only.
Do so at your own risk. My advice is DO NOT perform the experiment.
End of legal note.
So all the fancy equipment you need is a multimeter. :)

ramset

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9273 on: December 01, 2011, 03:56:08 AM »
The team has everything they need right now to run an In out Test
I did a trial run....


Drop the bulb in one liter of water [standard BTU Calq]


It works just fine, and it will take 2 minutes to try it Wesley!!
If you want I'll bring you my set up  we run it till your input uses .01 KWH on the meter[10 watts]
And check the temp against My Baseline.............
Here   
Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater QuerySimple!!

If all we can do is light bulbs right now??
So what..... we can do "SideWalk" calorimetry!!


Yeah.. I know we waste the light [who cares]?



It will answer a ton of questions!!
Chet
You want this test set up ? I can have it to you in 20 Minutes...
Chetkremens@gmail.com!!



stivep

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9274 on: December 01, 2011, 04:06:14 AM »
The team has everything they need right now to run an In out Test
I did a trial run....


Drop the bulb in one liter of water [standard BTU Calq]


It works just fine, and it will take 2 minutes to try it Wesley!!
If you want I'll bring you my set up  we run it till your input uses .01 KWH on the meter[10 watts]
And check the temp against My Baseline.............
Here   
Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater QuerySimple!!

If all we can do is light bulbs right now??
So what..... we can do "SideWalk" calorimetry!!


Yeah.. I know we waste the light [who cares]?



It will answer a ton of questions!!
Chet
thank you Ramset :)
Wesley

Hope

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9275 on: December 01, 2011, 06:33:29 AM »
@verpies

Geez, you should change your @usename to @HawkEye or @PeregrineVision. Otherwise, whatever you ever do with your @usename, never change the V for an H. Just jokin around man.

Actually you are very right about the cap. So this morning on my way to the office I stopped off at the EE shop and got a few of the right one. Nice 0.68uF MKP style. I think I will remove the top part of the circuit and re-do it on a breadboard for now until this all works as planned.

Regarding power measurements, maybe we should stop bombarding the WNY group and give them some room to breath. Discussing about power measurements will always be an issue. Once we have one device working ourselves, we will be in a position to do most all of that so for now, let's just get the design working.

@stivep

Last night I sort of had a horrible thought but I think it is important or even the most important thing to take care of right now. What if the Flyback Transformer (FBT) the WNY group is now using burns up or gets an internal short for some reason or another. What happens to the only working device?

Also, since the WNY  group is the only one with a working device right now, it is even more important for them to try other FBTs on their known working unit to see if this can work with others. Technically speaking, about R&D or replication efforts, it would be more logical to have the WNY group test a good number of FBTs on their working system to determine if this can be done with any other flyback, Those that do not work can be identified and at least others would not waste time with them. For every hour you guys can put to this question of other FBTs, you will be saving others 1000s of hours of potentially useless time and effort.

As I had mentioned, I am in a constant state of trying to reconcile all the variables. Now when you look at the diagram @T-1000 made a few weeks ago where he shows the pulse circuit, the flyback transformer and the output stage, we can see that the flyback has no internal diode but that's not all. In the diagram, we see three coils in the FBT, the primary, a multi tap secondary (MTS) and the HV output. He shows that the negative of the HV is going one end of the MTS and the other end of the MTS goes to the center tap of the output bucking coil (OBC). He also shows a capacitor that is tapped into the MTS that is probably acting like an internal energy pump. Now if all these factors are required so the FBT can produce the right type of HV output to the CC, then we are all in deep trouble from the start. This is why it is of the utmost importance to see if the WNY group can successfully get another FBT to work, and hopefully an FBT that is widely available on the markets.

If none of the above is possible, then I have one major question about the FBT they are using.

Question: The negative of the HV is going to the MTS how? Is it hardwired inside the FBT or does it have a separate negative HV pin that they just connected to the MTS. This is very very important know as in order to reconcile all these difference, this is a major point to consider since we will be left with trying to cheat the with the available FBT windings to both create the MTS and the small capacitor across one of its winding sections.

Now I do not mean that because we do not know this, I will cross my arms and wait until we do. Not the least bit will I wait, but I think that if the WNY group needs a priority to accomplish at this stage, it is to find another FBT. Both for our sakes as well as your sake if that only one should blow. Now if this is a good plan, I am sure myself and others would not mind sending a few flybacks to the WNY guys if they have a generic address to send it to. What I mean is I am willing to put up some dollars to help answer this question from their end because at least they have the working set-up to know right away, whereas, with our build, if something does not work, it could be due to the FBT or many other issues. Please think about this.

wattsup


What would be wrong with using a immersion heating element instead?  Or powering an electric coffee pot or water pot?   That would be better and cheaper AND SAFER Mr. Wattsup,  (I don't want you injured, your a good builder and great at posting results)

and Verpies    perhaps your right and STAAR only SWM'd the yoke device.     HEY Wesley please use a SWM on the newest CC device so we may get an idea on the COP      Thank you

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9276 on: December 01, 2011, 06:53:08 AM »


 Well simply heat isn't the only thing bulbs produce. Light is also a production.

Also we are using energy that is one sided.  Our generator should be TWO disks turning in opposite directions,  According to Tesla's own words

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9277 on: December 01, 2011, 07:15:06 AM »
I cannot understand what all the fuss is about!?
Is Wesley asking you to spend hundreds on equipment? NO
Is he asking you to spend weeks and weeks of your time? NO
Is he asking you to make expensive trips abroad?  NO
Is he asking for hours of theoretical analysis? NO
 
All he is asking is for a couple hours of your time to wind a special coil.
Most of you have your own spark gaps anyway, from Tesla stuff etc.
Just build it, THEN ASK QUESTIONS.
That's what I am doing.
SIMPLE WAY TO PROVE OVERUNITY:
Run the experiment from a 12v  car battery via inverter.
Instead of a lightbulb use a correctly rated diode to pulse charge the battery.
 
1 Measure starting voltage on battery with all equipment OFF!
2 Run experiment for 15 minutes.
3 Wait 5 minutes
4 Measure voltage on battery with all other equipment OFF.
No need for fancy equipment or scopes.
If battery voltage at the end is higher, then you have overunity. Or more appropriately C.O.P. > 1
SIMPLE.
Legal Note: This post is for information only. Do not perform this test unless you have the necessary permits.
I accept no responsibility whatsoever if you choose to do the experiment.
High voltage is dangerous and can kill.
Batteries may explode if pulse charged.
If you perform the experiment it is on the understanding that this information is for educational purposes only.
Do so at your own risk. My advice is DO NOT perform the experiment.
End of legal note.
So all the fancy equipment you need is a multimeter. :)

A fully charged,good quality  lead acid battery,  loaded will  initially run down a bit, then increase in voltage ..sorry but this is the big trap for so many people .Me too 10 years ago !
The bigger the battery the more the effect .

@team tube/yoke/tube

I have done 10 hours and more .
75w half bright hv applied 3/4 bright  total power consumption agrees roughly with percieved output.

Of course I must be doing something wrong or have somethiing wrong

So much for the yokes ...now on to the pipe?

I have not seen anywhere here what looks like  a fully lit 150w bulb .Let alone 1kw
any body with video / lighting knowledge can see this problem and i suggest that the team does a video comparison of mains lit vs devoce lit ... But I like the process of releasing energy from metals and tuning to it .

Tito L. Oracion

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9278 on: December 01, 2011, 08:14:59 AM »
The team has everything they need right now to run an In out Test
I did a trial run....


Drop the bulb in one liter of water [standard BTU Calq]


It works just fine, and it will take 2 minutes to try it Wesley!!
If you want I'll bring you my set up  we run it till your input uses .01 KWH on the meter[10 watts]
And check the temp against My Baseline.............
Here   
Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater QuerySimple!!

If all we can do is light bulbs right now??
So what..... we can do "SideWalk" calorimetry!!


Yeah.. I know we waste the light [who cares]?



It will answer a ton of questions!!
Chet
You want this test set up ? I can have it to you in 20 Minutes...
Chetkremens@gmail.com!!


Wow that's great chet your amazing,
 can we drink that water?  :D

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9279 on: December 01, 2011, 08:36:35 AM »
good day
Explain what this stuff?
mica, aluminum foil, broken capacitor?
thank you
Добрый день
кто знает
поясните какой это материал ?
слюда, алюминий фольга, разобранный конденсатор ?
спасибо

wattsup

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9280 on: December 01, 2011, 08:53:21 AM »
@all

We have lift off.

Man does it rip or what. That spark gap is roaring and the air fills with ozone within 5 seconds.

I changed the circuit, zener in series, uf4007s, irfp260npbs, I re-wound the two primaries with magwire to et more direct contact but i put a plastic transformer material on the core first, my diodes are working ok. I put the capacitor only on the breadboard to add or replace values. Now I go to sleep because it's 3am. Fun tomorrow.

wattsup

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9281 on: December 01, 2011, 09:26:20 AM »
good day
Explain what this stuff?
mica, aluminum foil, broken capacitor?
thank you
Добрый день
кто знает
поясните какой это материал ?
слюда, алюминий фольга, разобранный конденсатор ?
спасибо

Hello, It is my understanding that it is aluminum foil tape with an adhesive back. The protective paper was left on the foil. Clear plastic package packing tape was added to improve the insulation. The added plastic tape does reduce the capacitance as a side effect(wanted or unwanted ?) I think. The aluminum tape is commonly used on HVAC systems on the plenum.
Tape here --> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=aluminum+tape&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=np&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=18001265940228879997&sa=X&ei=mDnXTqSbLLDMiQKW0v3dCQ&ved=0CHQQ8gIwAA

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9282 on: December 01, 2011, 09:35:55 AM »
@all

We have lift off.

Man does it rip or what. That spark gap is roaring and the air fills with ozone within 5 seconds.

I changed the circuit, zener in series, uf4007s, irfp260npbs, I re-wound the two primaries with magwire to et more direct contact but i put a plastic transformer material on the core first, my diodes are working ok. I put the capacitor only on the breadboard to add or replace values. Now I go to sleep because it's 3am. Fun tomorrow.

wattsup

Cool, Cant wait to see your results. I really need to get to get off my @ss and build as well. I hope your FBs work out because I bought the same ones from your link ;D

verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9283 on: December 01, 2011, 10:59:32 AM »
I changed the circuit, zener in series, uf4007s, irfp260npbs, I re-wound the two primaries with magwire to et more direct contact but i put a plastic transformer material on the core first, my diodes are working ok. I put the capacitor only on the breadboard to add or replace values. Now I go to sleep because it's 3am. Fun tomorrow.

 This circuit is powerful enough to damage your small flyback transformer. Bigger ones are in big old CRT TVs often sold at garage sales.

What are these white cuboid parts between the gate and source of the transistors?
Are they the 10kOhm resistors?  If "yes" then to me they look like the inductive type, and that's bad. 
At 10kOhm and 16V, the current through them is so low (1.6mA) and power too (2.5mW), that you can safely use smaller low-power 1/8 Watt carbon resistors in their place.

If you want to vary the circuit's C1 capacitance, solder the smallest HV MKP capacitor you have, as close as possible to the primary winding, and add larger capacitances in parallel to it on the breadboard if you wish.  Don't put the whole C1 capacitance away on the breadboard with long wires.  It is dangerous to the transistors and may increase EMI and decrease driver's performance.

For more power and different frequencies you can play with adding more primary winding turns (on vertical and horizontal legs of the core as well) but not less.  Less turns can damage your circuit - more cannot.

Your driver circuit should be able to be supplied with up to 50VDC if the flyback transformer can withstand the resulting amount of power fed to it.  Also, watch the temperature of the transistors if you choose to increase the supplied voltage.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9284 on: December 01, 2011, 11:07:19 AM »
Tiger used in his Yoke and in Tube devices this schematic I replicated this devices very carefully but I use 2cs5200

I have to point whom likes to replicate Tigers devices - in shematics of this flyback device is one error - there are two identical transistor - instead of couple of complimentar transistor. Please keep it in mind. In graphiucs was "trap for fools"/