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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 12381945 times)

Offline Rafa12

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8355 on: November 07, 2011, 12:32:01 AM »
Not a very good work, the yoke is not the best form to make a coil because it's necessary to leave many empty spaces...  but the real problem is that I haven't any of these measurement unists that Wesley shows in his video. Are they really neccesary? well I will plug in, cross the finguers and if it don't work I will try again with different wires etc..

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8356 on: November 07, 2011, 12:38:42 AM »
@Rafa12

Q1) Why didn't you loop the braid outside of the air gap like the inventors did?
Q2) Did you cut a notch in the ferrite for the Braid loop?
Q3) Is that notch located where the mating surfaces of the air gap are supposed to be?
Q4) Is this notch insulated? Does the Braid touch the ferrite in this notch?

Also, I think that the ratio of the Braid's width to the height of the ferrite is much lower than in the inventor's model.  This decreases the surface area that the two halves of Braid face with the ferrite in between.  I expect that the smaller surface area will lead to less capacitance between the two Braid halves and consequently to higher Ferrite Resonance Frequency (FRF) and higher Braid resonance Frequency (BRF).

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8357 on: November 07, 2011, 12:46:10 AM »
hahahah, Wesley,  read this article, it seems you have to do better videos!!.... :) :D  http://pesn.com/2011/11/04/9501946_Massive_OU_Claimed_in_Freaky_Pre-Halloween_Video/


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8358 on: November 07, 2011, 12:49:20 AM »
hahahah, Wesley,  read this article, it seems you have to do better videos!!.... :) :D  http://pesn.com/2011/11/04/9501946_Massive_OU_Claimed_in_Freaky_Pre-Halloween_Video/

We know about it already and my comments there improved quality of article (should be done by article author in first place!) to more technical look.. :)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8359 on: November 07, 2011, 01:14:48 AM »

Q1) Why didn't you loop the braid outside of the air gap like the inventors did?

As far as I understand, the braid should tunrs arround the yoke, internal and externally

Q2) Did you cut a notch in the ferrite for the Braid loop?

No, I didn't touch the Ferrite Yoke, because is very fragile, maybe this could be a problem? the Yoke sides will be too separate because the thicknes braid....

Q3) Is that notch located where the mating surfaces of the air gap are supposed to be?

yes it was divided, I didn't need to cut them.

Q4) Is this notch insulated? Does the Braid touch the ferrite in this notch?

No, but I 'm not sure maybe just this notch have to be isolated... I think it has not to be isolated, and the diamagentic material, (paper in the video) will create a isolation between two half.

Also, I think that the ratio of the Braid's width to the height of the ferrite is much lower than in the inventor's model. This decreases the surface area that the two halves of Braid face with the ferrite in between.  I expect that the smaller surface area will lead to less capacitance between the two Braid halves and consequently to higher Ferrite Resonance Frequency (FRF) and higher Braid resonance Frequency (BRF).

Yes you are right, thank you for all your observations, this braid was the only similar material that I had, I faund it in the same computer tv. Here ther is another person that has built it exactly like me.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/9673-wesley-stivep1-video-high-voltage-frequency-ou-4.html#post165579

all the best


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8360 on: November 07, 2011, 01:22:05 AM »


I see this mistake made over and over by my students.

See :D

I guessed you are teacher  :P ;D

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8361 on: November 07, 2011, 01:26:59 AM »
Baroutologos


I don't think the Primary A 50 Hz 15 turns coil is driven into resonance.
My 15 turns has an inductance of 120 uF and a natural resonance frequency of 1.550 Mhz (1550 Khz).
The calculated capacitance of the turns is then 87 pF.
To get this coil resonating on 50 Hz would mean to add 85 mF (= milli Farad) of capacitance.

Another indication that this Primary A 50 Hz coil is not being driven in resonance is the fact that
T-1000 states in reply #8349 that it is been driven by a Sinus Wave.

Perhaps T-1000 can confirm this.

Another observation i make is that the resonance of the ferrite when measuring the 2 copper plates/strips/braid
is 5.785 Mhz in my case, so not in the 1 - 2 Mhz range mentioned.
I measured this with my scope and FG, the scope both in scope mode as well as in FTT (spectrum) mode.

Could be that my yoke from a recent computer monitor has different spec's, but when looking to the "spagep kontur.jpg"
scope shot in reply #8043 (page 537) i see a nice (resonance?) sine wave of 7.58Mhz when appearently driven by a
FG frequency of 1.660 Mhz (ramp wave).

To me this means that also here the ferrite resonance frequency is in the 5-7 Mhz range.
Just my 2 cents.

Regards Itsu

TRY putting more TURNS to 50 turn coil, make 100 turns and measure frequency , it should drop from 7 Mhz below !!

Smaller cores require more turns

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8362 on: November 07, 2011, 01:27:26 AM »
No, but I 'm not sure maybe just this notch have to be isolated... I think it has not to be isolated, and the diamagentic material, (paper in the video) will create a isolation between two half.

This is bad because the Braid will be in the air gap, widening it too much.

From your answer it looks like the Braid will make electric contact with one half of the ferrite, where the air-gap is supposed to be. Even the slightest contact takes away the sense of the tape insulation between the Braid and ferrite elsewhere.

It is bad for the braid to make electric contact with either half of the ferrite, since the ferrite is slightly conductive and it destroys the capacitive effect of two insulated surfaces (a shorted transmission line in this case).

Finaly, this is definitely not how the inventors had routed the Braid.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8363 on: November 07, 2011, 01:27:30 AM »
oh yes! I am really wrong, I will replace the braid by cooper sheet trying to cover all yoke surface. Thank you verpies!

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8363 on: November 07, 2011, 01:27:30 AM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8364 on: November 07, 2011, 01:28:25 AM »
I am starting a build, but questions pop up...

I am able to get solid core 18AWG wire that is enamel coated.
I am able to buy suitable plastic coated multi-strand hookup wire that should have a similar current carrying capacity.(but is not rated with a wire gauge that I can see)

However I have not yet found where to buy solid core wire with a plastic coating which is what I assume is used?
Should I still try anyway with either multi-strand or solid enamel coated wire?

Question 2, what is the winding direction on the 2 primary coils? (unless it has been tried both ways and makes no difference)

And with the output coil, Do you wind the 2 wire together or in opposite directions like a caduceus coil? (that would explain why it doesn't feed-back into the primary and kill the gen.)

Question 3, So if I want about 150w output I don't have the braid connected to anything? And no flyback is used?

Question 4, The braid does not pass between the core halves but a wire connects the inner and outer I assume? (or is the Braid in one piece?)

Question 5, I think there is much confusion and miscommunication about the 2 imputs along with plenty of unknowns so this question is perhaps the most important and is in 2 pieces:

5a: I have this function generator: http://www.amazon.com/Function-Generator-RSR-MHz-Sweep/dp/B0007ZGXCC/ref=pd_sbs_hi_3  and I will need to source another for the 50hz, for arguments sake let's say I buy another (just to keep it simple) would you expect that by directly connecting the output of each gen to their respective 50 and 15 turn coils I would be able to replicate the effect without any modification to the function generators or addition of any other circuitry?

5b: Please explain everything that has been used successfully to power the high and low frequency primaries, including any required (or awfully unseful) circuitry and the brand & model of the function gen. and details of the generated the waveforms. It looks like in the video 2 function generators are used, great if I wanted to buy them where would I go?

Question 6: So am I correct in summing the device as so:
A normal function generator is directly connected to a 50 turn coil and inputs a high frequency 50% duty cycle pulsed DC at over 300khz, nothing else is connected to this circuit.
A second normal function generator (operating independently of the first) is directly connected to a 15 turn coil, this is set to about 50hz sine wave.
These coils are wound of solid 18AWG (or is it 18SWG?) solid core plastic coated wire. <I am most unsure about this point
There is a shield/braid/plate etc that can be made of various materials that was added so that it would work without needing body capacitance. <This is a guess
This is not electrically connected to anything unless you want to ramp up the power with the optional flyback option. (that will destroy the ferrite in time)
The braid/shield is in 2 pieces an inner and outer connected at one end to each other by a wire.
The bifilar coil is wound together and connected so that the magnetic field generated by the 2 windings is in agreement as is the voltage induced, this is connected to a single halogen 150w bulb only. (although adding capacitors across the bulb may be desirable but not required, and capacitors can likely be added to all 3 coils)
The only point left to mention is that so far only one type of Russian made yoke has been used successfully and it has a 90 degree angle. (I hope this is not so and other different CRT yokes have proven successful!)
And that the primary half of the Yoke is wrapped in electrical tape and there is paper separating the 2 halves.


I want to thank the 3-4 of you very much for your commitment to humanity, please help me and others looking to build this by giving the information so that we can build in confidence and verify your results!

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8365 on: November 07, 2011, 01:34:36 AM »
Serveral hours of bench time , unfortunately no bright light with my first build.

We do need a standard square wave oscillator with sync lock to use for hf primary.

I did not achieve sync lock but was hoping for a flash at some point.

My plates were copper foil and 20mm wide with cuts so that they fan out about the curve and I have at places 2 layers of plastic tape between the core and the plate.

Every one will be having the same issues and questions about the thickness if the dilectric

I seem to have 1.6mhz and the 51 hz carrying 260khz like the picture but unless I pump  30 watts into the 50hz coil no light . It is very early and I was not able to tune the copper plate circuit  for any effect at this stage.

I see frequency multiplication and division using free resonant checking  that must be significant to be in faze somehow.

I wonder if we tune just with wire length ratios they might be more relative free resonant frequencies?


I am using another (slightly differnt)ferrite for version 1.00001

Something I noticed that might be important is that the ferrite mating surfaces are irregular  from being cracked apart in manufacture ,which is fine if they are clamped together but willl be uneven if a spacer is used...so I have sanded them flat so there is a smooth surface between the ferrites..Of course i guessing here but if ferroresonance is important this might be as well.

good luck


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8366 on: November 07, 2011, 01:36:19 AM »
T-1000, I read your reply in PESWiki, well done! this is the kind of reply they needed.

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« Reply #8367 on: November 07, 2011, 01:43:20 AM »
TRY putting more TURNS to 50 turn coil, make 100 turns and measure frequency , it should drop from 7 Mhz below !!

I think that an unloaded primary coil has no influence on the FRF and BRF, because it cannot oppose any flux changes and its mutual inductance is zero.

By unloaded, I mean a coil that does not have a significant induced current flowing through it (such as an open coil or a coil hooked up to an oscilloscope probe).

On the other hand, the secondary coil that is normally shorted by a significant load should have a significant effect on the resonance frequencies.
...and yes, adding windings to such well loaded coil will decrease the resonance frequencies. Adding capacitance will do too.

Another way to decrease the FRF and BRF is to widen the Braid or use less tape to insulate it from the ferrite it is wound on.  The 2 surfaces of the Braid and the dielectric (tape) form a capacitor over the ferrite core. If the Braid's loop was cut midways, thus separating the two halves of the Braid, then this capacitance could be measured with a meter. However since the two halves of the Braid are not separated, it needs to be treated as a transmission line (with a dielectric&ferrite core)  shorted at one end.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8368 on: November 07, 2011, 01:51:57 AM »
And with the output coil, Do you wind the 2 wire together or in opposite directions like a caduceus coil? (that would explain why it doesn't feed-back into the primary and kill the gen.)

I don't think that two halves of the bifilar winding oppose (buck) each other.
It is an excellent question for the inventors. Their diagram does not show bucking, but who knows.

The bifilar winding has some other advantages, such as:
- lower inter-winding capacitance
- the longitudinal current (current along the ferrite's circumference) is cancelled. Normally one layer of toroidal windings is equal to one turn along the circumference of the toroid, because the transverse windings are not absolutely transverse - they also progress along the circumference of the core (winding pitch).

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8369 on: November 07, 2011, 02:01:31 AM »
Question 3, So if I want about 150w output I don't have the braid connected to anything? And no flyback is used?

Question 4, The braid does not pass between the core halves but a wire connects the inner and outer I assume? (or is the Braid in one piece?)

Re. Q3: The braid should be connected either to:
1) The HV output of a flyback transformer and a spark-gap.
2) A capacitor, that will resonate with the looped Braid, through parasitic mutual inductance with the primary windings.

Note: Not both.

Re. Q4: The Braid should not pass between the core halves because it would make the air-gap between them too large and it would make electrical contact with the ferrite.  In the inventor's model the Braid is completely insulated from the ferrite and the primary windings, and that's what the insulating tape is for.

A short thick wire can/should connect the two Braid halves.
However before you connect the two halves, take the opportunity to measure the capacitance between them, and report it here.

 

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