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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 12590895 times)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8310 on: November 05, 2011, 09:29:05 PM »
Из всего видео не очень понятно чему равняется верхняя частота и нижняя. И подавалась ли искра?

Lower frequency is driving frequency (47Hz after slight tuning in our experiment).
Higher resonant frequency is ferrite exciting frequency(382KHz.)
Lower frequency signal is stronger than higher frequency signal, hence 15/50 turns just do that because of impedance.
The HV discharge is not used in experiment  - we did not want to break core. But scalar wave is still there because copper plates are connected to capacitor and LC circuit is locked into ferrite resonant frequency (1.66MHz) and oscillation is induced by changing magnetic fields with mix of 15/50 coils signals.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8311 on: November 05, 2011, 09:34:29 PM »
With my humble experience so far, its difficult to visualize two copper strips placed in/out ferrite walls and fed with white noise to have a fundamental resonant frequency as low as 1,5 Mhz. (no cap or anything added) Two cases IMHO.

a) Case one this is indeed a ferrite resonant frequency that corresponds to some kind of "echo" from the very material itself

b) It is a subharmonic resonant peak formed from a far higher resonant fundamental frequency caused by the RLC (copper plates, wires, and white noise generator)
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The looped Braid (or copper plates) forms a one turn winding that creates H field that is perpendicular to the concentric B & H field lines in the toroidal core created by the primary LF and HF windings.
At the same time the adjacent flat surfaces of the Braid (or copper plates) form a capacitor that has a ferrite in place where a dielectric would be in a conventional capacitor.

Such distributed inductance and capacitance is more akin to a transmission line shorted at one end, than a lumped RLC resonator.

Furthermore, the ferrite's response to the transverse H field and perpendicular E field of the High Voltage discharge must be so unorthodox that's it's beyond conventional analysis.  Who knows what's going on there at the molecular scale ?!

A conventional transmission line shorted at one end has specific resonances by itself. See:
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_14/6.html
1 MHz resonance would occur in a common conventional transmission line that was approximately 200 meters long.

An unconventional transmission line with a ferrite instead of the dielectric, should have a lower resonance frequency because of the increased permeability. Obviously the properties of the ferrite would be of paramount importance here. Hell!, even the insulation tape would affect the resonant frequency of such transmission line. 

The magnetic circuit H bias level would alter this transmission line resonant frequency too. This happens because the H biasing level alters the ferrite's permeability. The LF 50Hz winding might be there to quickly sweep this H bias back and forth over some sweet-spot. 

I looked through the available literature and could not find any models of a transmission line that had a ferrimagnetic substance between the conductors instead of the conventional dielectric.

I guess we are in a virgin territory here.  Thus, I would not be surprised if the Ferrite Resonance Frequency (FRF) was indeed below 2Mhz.

FRF should be empirically measured with:
- a short excitation pulse and ringing with an oscilloscope, or
- a sweeped signal generator and a spectrum analyzer or tracking filter with a voltmeter as in VNA, or
- a white noise generator and spectrum analyzer just like the inventors are proposing. 

As such the FRF would constitute the master frequency of the whole system from which all other frequencies are derived.  This would make the FRF the most important parameter of the device.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8312 on: November 05, 2011, 09:43:28 PM »
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Lower frequency is driving frequency (47Hz after slight tuning in our experiment).
Higher resonant frequency is ferrite exciting frequency(382KHz.)
Lower frequency signal is stronger than higher frequency signal, hence 15/50 turns just do that because of impedance.

Sounds logical to me (regarding signal strength or power carry)

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The HV discharge is not used in experiment  - we did not want to break core. But scalar wave is still there because copper plates are connected to capacitor and LC circuit is locked into ferrite resonant frequency (1.66MHz) and oscillation is induced by changing magnetic fields with mix of 15/50 coils signals.

So, the bright or copper plates are always used and not only in the beggining for discovering 50turn primary running freq. Or to put it in a better way, (as i understand) the copper strips or brights has two mode of operation in order to attain the OU effect.

a) By arrange it in such LC mode (addition of cap in shunt to two plates) so as by picking up oscillations will oscillate now freely at its arranged 1,66 Mhz (discovered by the white noise function and spectrum analyzer)  - Low power mode

b) Just connect both copper plates or have a single bright inside-out or each copper plate attached to a SG pole and apply a HV discharge over the SG (create whole spectrum of frequencies)  -high power mode
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Sorry if i being tiresome. Thanks for the discusion anyway.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2011, 10:16:32 PM by baroutologos »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8313 on: November 05, 2011, 10:11:25 PM »
Lower frequency is driving frequency (47Hz after slight tuning in our experiment).

Do you mean that the LF drives the other frequencies (HF, BRF, FRF) ?
In other words do you mean: the other frequencies (HF, BRF, FRF) are derived from the LF ?

The verbs "drive, is driving" imply a causal relationship.
For example: "NE555 oscillator is driving the CD4040 binary divider"
In this scenario the NE555 is the master that drives the slave (CD4040).
In other words: the NE555 can work without the CD4040, but not vice versa...

Are we experiencing a language barrier here?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8314 on: November 05, 2011, 10:20:31 PM »
Do you mean that the LF drives the other frequencies (HF, BRF, FRF) ?
In other words do you mean: the other frequencies (HF, BRF, FRF) are derived from the LF ?

The lowest frequency has strongest signal so higher frequencies go inside of that signal, not otherwise: http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/2_pirmine_iskociojimas_pjuklas__50_hercu.jpg

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8315 on: November 05, 2011, 10:21:15 PM »

FRF should be empirically measured with:
- a short excitation pulse and ringing with an oscilloscope, or
- a sweeped signal generator and a spectrum analyzer or tracking filter with a voltmeter as in VNA, or
- a white noise generator and spectrum analyzer just like the inventors are proposing. 

As such the FRF would constitute the master frequency of the whole system from which all other frequencies are derived.  This would make the FRF the most important parameter of the device.

You are well educated, are you maybe teacher or something? ;D

I plean tu measure that when I assemble some basic frequency circuit cmos 555 hehe..

But you guys NEGLECT physical , or mechanical oscilation in ferrite itself or SOUND WAVE
sound wave can magnetize ferrite aslo!!

So it may not be ferromagnetic effect, it may be combination of may effects : inductance L that gives LC my be altered in time by sound wave and get something very complex that at the end oscillate at 1.6 mhz (or what ever)
Sound wave can also travel and all direction can produce compression depression, torsion etc etc....


Again 50 Hz is so slow,,, ferrite core impedance at 50 hz is VERY LOW, more like short circuit... 50 hz if connected in LC manner (capacitor) should have very low voltage..

50 hz easily makes core SATURATE, , I wonder if thats effect here?

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« Reply #8316 on: November 05, 2011, 10:30:22 PM »
Need one concrete answer

http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/2_pirmine_iskociojimas_pjuklas__50_hercu.jpg

How many vol is peak to peak for SINE 50 hz ? how many volt is peak to peak for ramp 380 khz ???

One probe is X10 other is X1 , one scale is 20/div, other is 1/div

Easy to get mistake here !!!

Also do you drive core directly with signal generator , seems unlikely . But, if you dont I would like to know EXACT voltage peak to peak for all signal connected to the core measured directly at the core

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8317 on: November 05, 2011, 10:35:37 PM »
 Please do not use metal clips when you assemble two halves of ferrite core use rubber band instead
Metal clip will close magnetic flux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER DO IT

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8318 on: November 05, 2011, 10:55:54 PM »
You are well educated, are you maybe teacher or something? ;D

I plean tu measure that when I assemble some basic frequency circuit cmos 555 hehe..

But you guys NEGLECT physical , or mechanical oscilation in ferrite itself or SOUND WAVE
sound wave can magnetize ferrite aslo!!

So it may not be ferromagnetic effect, it may be combination of may effects : inductance L that gives LC my be altered in time by sound wave and get something very complex that at the end oscillate at 1.6 mhz (or what ever)
Sound wave can also travel and all direction can produce compression depression, torsion etc etc....


Again 50 Hz is so slow,,, ferrite core impedance at 50 hz is VERY LOW, more like short circuit... 50 hz if connected in LC manner (capacitor) should have very low voltage..

50 hz easily makes core SATURATE, , I wonder if thats effect here?

Its not sound or pressure waves its Ferroresonance.

"Ferroresonance or nonlinear resonance is a complex electrical phenomenon. It can cause overvoltages and overcurrents in an electrical power system"   Nice when created intentionally:)

50hz is arbitrary   amount just because its useful to provide an AC o/p which can be used by conventional transformers. The EXACT frequency is NOT important can be 43Hz or 69Hz or anywhere close.

In the TPU the modulation frequency  is 5KHz. The carrier will be several Mhz.

 It IS however vital to have modulation frequency of the NMR carrier.  Care should be taken not to over modulate but get as close to 100% AM  as possible.  Overmodulation will suppress the carrier. Under modulation will reduce level of magnetic flux field variation on the bifilar and thus directly effect the output power.

A standard signal generator is NOT enough power to run the coils. You need at least 10 watt drivers. eg 10 volts at 1 amp.

PS the metal wire stuff is called a BRAID and NOT a Bright.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8319 on: November 06, 2011, 12:06:48 AM »
But you guys NEGLECT physical , or mechanical oscilation in ferrite itself or SOUND WAVE
sound wave can magnetize ferrite aslo!!

So it may not be ferromagnetic effect, it may be combination of may effects : inductance L that gives LC my be altered in time by sound wave and get something very complex that at the end oscillate at 1.6 mhz (or what ever)
Sound wave can also travel and all direction can produce compression depression, torsion etc etc....

50 hz easily makes core SATURATE, , I wonder if thats effect here?

You are right, we are neglecting a lot of effects, such as:
- Magnetostriction
- Magnetoresistance
- Magnetocalloric effect
- Kerr effect
- BH curve nonlinearites
- Magnetic permeability modulation by the H field
- Magnetic permeability modulation by the E field
- Magnetic circuit configuration
- Electron Spin Resonance
- Nuclear Magnetic Resonance
- Temperature effects
- Magnetic circuit configuration (air gaps)
... and probably several others, see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8p0ZskV7LI

However, I am neglecting most of the above on purpose because I am concentrating on getting sufficient answers regarding the engineering variables such as:
- the ferrite core properties
- properties of primary and secondary windings
- properties of the 1 turn Braid winding/HV electrodes/transmission line.
- waveforms (shape, frequency, phase, amplitude)

...and most importantly the causal relationships between the waveforms.
In other words: Which waveform is derived from which and what are the frequency, phase, amplitude relationships between them.

For example, after analyzing the following statements:

Lower frequency is driving frequency (47Hz after slight tuning in our experiment).
The lowest frequency has strongest signal so higher frequencies go inside of that signal, not otherwise: http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/2_pirmine_iskociojimas_pjuklas__50_hercu.jpg
and correcting for language barriers, I can conclude that the inventor simply meant that:
LF.amplitude > HF.amplitude

From other statements I can conclude that.
HF.f >> LF.f
HF.f/LF.f = a natural number (7600)

and

BRF.f > HF.f
BRF.f/HF.f = a natural number

The Ferrite Resonant Frequency (FRF) is some kind of fundamental "echo" from the very material itself, and the Braid Resonant frequency (BRF) most likely is a subharmonic of FRF.

At this point, I don't care if the FRF comes from magnetostriction, E-field modulation of magnetic permeability of the ferrite (see the IEEE article by Konrad and Brudny) or the transmission line theory. 
I just want to know how FRF can be determined/measured and related to the other waveforms in the system.

I am purposely avoiding the analysis of the effects here, in order not to distract myself from the engineering variables.

I will delve into the theory of operation and all the effects once all of the engineering variables are known for replication

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8320 on: November 06, 2011, 12:25:29 AM »
First pictures from an absolute begginer. Fortunately the yoke was divided...
Could I isolate the half yoke with inner tube?
« Last Edit: November 06, 2011, 12:47:44 AM by Rafa12 »

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« Reply #8321 on: November 06, 2011, 12:29:43 AM »
I am purposely avoiding the analysis of the effects here, in order not to distract myself from the engineering variables.

I will delve into the theory of operation and all the effects once all of the engineering variables are known for replication

If that is holding you back and you are open minded.. Take TV yoke ferrite from TV what had 90 degrees deflection from cathode with similar geometry like there - http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/pic2011-Oct-26_Wed_15-50-04_00000.jpg and just follow our work :)
http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/aidas.bmp , http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/Aidas_SHEMATIC.png and http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/

Your engineering variables will disappear in tuning process.

Have fun!

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« Reply #8322 on: November 06, 2011, 12:30:35 AM »
In the TPU the modulation frequency  is 5KHz. The carrier will be several Mhz.

It IS however vital to have modulation frequency of the NMR carrier.  Care should be taken not to over modulate but get as close to 100% AM  as possible.  Overmodulation will suppress the carrier. Under modulation will reduce level of magnetic flux field variation on the bifilar and thus directly effect the output power.

That makes sense. Here you are writing about AM modulation of the HF oscillator with the LF oscillator, where HF is the carrier. Obviously HF.f > LF.f

The language barrier makes it hard to extract this info sometimes.
For example take a look at the inventor's statement, and concentrate on the meaning of the word "carrying":
The 50Hz is approx frequency because obviously we need standard frequency out of coil. You can tune +/- few Hertz and see where this frequency starts carrying frequency from coil of 51 turns.

To us, if it is stated that a frequency X is "carrying" a frequency Y, it means that X is a carrier frequency and the Y frequency modulates this carrier. Also most likely X > Y.

But to the foreign speakers it does not mean that at all!
In this case the author simply meant that the amplitude of Y is greater than the amplitude of X, as evidenced by his phrases "strongest signal" and "go inside".

The lowest frequency has strongest signal so higher frequencies go inside of that signal, not otherwise

We have to be careful with the words when facing language barriers and we must ask a lot of questions or we will get confused despite the abundance of good will from the authors.

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« Reply #8323 on: November 06, 2011, 12:41:07 AM »
If that is holding you back and you are open minded.. Take TV yoke ferrite from TV what had 90 degrees deflection from cathode with similar geometry like there <snip> and just follow our work :)
Your engineering variables will disappear in tuning process.

I will do that once that old Rubin TV set comes in.  I do not want to waste time on a different ferrite, because I expect the properties of this ferrite to be of paramount importance.

Meanwhile, I will bother you for the details in order to clear the info path for all the future replicators.

P.S.
If I hadn't an open mind, I would not be participating in this forum  ;)
I hope that you take no offense at my attempts to decipher your words. My remarks are not Ad Hominem.
Also, what languages do you speak? Maybe we have more than one language in common?

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« Reply #8324 on: November 06, 2011, 12:43:56 AM »
Also, what languages do you speak? Maybe we have more than one language in common?
Lithuanian (native), Russian, English :)

 

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