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quarktoo

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5190 on: January 21, 2011, 05:16:52 PM »
How old are you, my dear wiseacre  ::)
I was not trying to find "secrets" from these Russian forums - for me most of OUs are at best like measuring errors, sometimes as joke, often unfortunately just stupid deception. Just was interesting to see how enthusiastic they were and how this enthusiasm step by step will die down  >:(
Time to time, sometimes even very often, when I need to rest from drawings, I do read Overunity and when I can then I try to translate from Russian sites for members who can not. My English is not good, my Russian is much better, although likewisely this is not my mother tongue, I can do even few languages more, no problem for me. When I do read these topics in English then I do not understand who is high horse, who is knowledgeable, who is bit ironical .... by Russian this clear for me in few seconds.
Of course some topics are very interesting for me, faster Im sceptic - but honest sceptic. To be more honest I can find from this forum some very useful things for myself - not OUs but just very interesting technical solutions and ideas  ::)
What about my current "serials" then why it did begin? Very simple - you was telling about Ignitrons you are seeing and following specious reasoning ... blah.
I just spoke that these are Russian diodes or thyristors ... because I have similar diodes.
Then you started with more blether ... you know all ... others are like stupid  schoolboys...
You need not delude yourself, my dear friend, Im aged enough to not be impressed about every kind of blah and hooey  ::) 
Success!
cheers,
khabe

I was trying to get people to stop and look at what is happening in the device. After 350 pages of people posting useless drawings for a device they don't understand, I could not take it anymore so I tried to wake the people up. I did just that and now some people are taking a fresh look.

You feel free to post all the useless drawings you want. If I want a pulsed HV, I don't need someone to create the circuit for me and I'm not the one that does not understand the device, that is you.

No bad feelings. Drink some vodka and play with large amounts of power. I will help you to relax.  :D

It's been long week.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5191 on: January 21, 2011, 05:19:43 PM »
After 21.Dec.2010 no more replies,
THE END  >:(

Before ends was one more idea about scheme ...
someone tried after reading patent (useful model) descripions,
but there is no thyristors at all  :-\

Now Im bored and tired  ::)
cheers,
khabe

That's because no thyristors are really needed. A spark is always needed and the quiet simple way to do that is with an ignitron. Think about it.

I disclosed how the device works. Maybe if you didn't spend so much time looking at drawings and spent time reading and understanding what I wrote, then you would see it is NOT a joke or a measurement error.

We invented the device here in the US back in 1920 by a man named Albert Hubbard. Then Edwin Gray invented the device and many others.

I tried telling Linderman's boy Arron to put some oxygen in his tube a year ago and he told me how smart he was and how I didn't know what I was talking about. He still hasn't figured it out - Proof you can't fix stupid. I'm sure the post is still here on this web site and I could care less if you or Arron or anyone else figures it out. I just posted all that stuff to clear up some confusion if there was someone out there that wanted to understand how it works.

Cheers

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5192 on: January 21, 2011, 05:38:42 PM »
Here is an experiment you could do in half hour and prove me wrong or right. I have not done it but I know how it will work out since I know what electricity really is..

Wrap 50 turns of any wire you want around a fluorescent tube and connect a high voltage supply to it to the tube. Get a rough measurement off the pickup coil.

Now move the HV cathode off a bit and make a spark gap on the cathode of the tube.

You should then start blasting electrons off the cathode and as such produce more electricity in your coil.

Test it out.

Absolutely, I will try this.

  How ironic, about half year ago I started pointing out the similarities between TK's device and a refrigeration system. At the time I stated that in a refrigeration system there is a massive energy exchange when a refrigerant is subjected to a 'change of state'. It is this change of state that must be investigated and incorporated into these devices.

 By no fault but my own I dropped my theories and followed what was being spoken about at the time. Needless to say what Q2 is saying makes a heck of a lot of sense to me.

Respectfully,

Core

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5193 on: January 21, 2011, 06:04:45 PM »
  Q2 has me revisiting some idea's that I had. Regarding Tariel's 'Green box' device. This is the one with the copper coil (1/4" pipe) around the outside. There are two things about this coil that are interesting and only one of them has been spoken about the other I have never mentioned because I did not think it was relevant. Clearly now I see what was going on.

 The first thing that was spoken about was that the copper tube appears to have a 'wire' going into it. This is most likely being used as an 'electrode'.

  The Second thing , and I have never mentioned it nor has anyone, is the on the other end of the tube there is a 'pinch-off'. Let me explain, a pinch-off tool is used to trap a gas in a tube. Anybody who has a small refrigeration or A/C system will see a tube on the compressor that is 'pinched-off'. This tool makes a nice air-tight seal. I had noticed this on the Green box unit and never questioned it.

  It could be very possible that the copper tube has been charged with oxygen. I will have to purchase a florescent tube to proceed with the above experiment. I do have an oxygen tank from my torch set-up that I can use to charge a cylinder.

Respectfully,

Core

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5194 on: January 21, 2011, 06:13:07 PM »
According to the quantum guys, electrons absorb photons when they accelerate, and emit photons when they decelerate. Not suggesting cause and effect, just noting the correlation. Refrigeration systems absorb heat when they convert to gas, and emit heat when they convert to liquid. Apparently, it takes less energy to force the respective phase change than it will absorb/emit through the phase change.

A capacitively dominant transmission line (a flat solenoid at resonance, a Tesla secondary), seems to be increasing voltage kinetically by accelerating electrons. The natural outcome of that is that the spacing between electrons should be increasing...rarefying, if you will...and becoming more gaseous. Sound familiar?

What if a Tesla secondary works like a refrigeration system, and is absorbing photonic energy from somewhere while accelerating, and emitting photonic energy while decelerating. And then the big 'what if' that follows, is what if the energy is being pumped in/out of the aether.

Not a theory, just fodder for thought.

quarktoo

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5195 on: January 21, 2011, 06:18:34 PM »
Absolutely, I will try this.

  How ironic, about half year ago I started pointing out the similarities between TK's device and a refrigeration system. At the time I stated that in a refrigeration system there is a massive energy exchange when a refrigerant is subjected to a 'change of state'. It is this change of state that must be investigated and incorporated into these devices.

 By no fault but my own I dropped my theories and followed what was being spoken about at the time. Needless to say what Q2 is saying makes a heck of a lot of sense to me.

Respectfully,

Core

Core you just made my day after a long week. I came back here and looked what was going on and saw two threads that needed to be fixed.

Tseung's thread and this one. I decided to try and kill Tseung's thread and his cabal of busy bodies that can't understand impedance mismatch (joule thief) and fix this one.

In the near future I am planning to write up a nice pdf on Meyer and clear up that whole mess. Then I plan to write something up to teach people what electricity is and how to stop destroying the OU that it is created with. That would go a long way to fixing the OU confusion. Sound like you get the whole proton freeing idea.

When you feel the need to turn your scope upside down, you'll know that you get it all the way.

An particle is always being being fed from the universe. That particle is an effect, not a cause. It is formed from vortex two waves tip to tip, turning in opposite directions and the particle is rolled between. Energy is flowing down through the center IN BOTH DIRECTIONS at the speed of light.

The reason the electron appears and disappears is it is literally going in and out of this dimension. Those two waves are made of time. You are particles and somewhat like the dielectric of a capacitor. You leak a little but that creates some energy flow and relative motion so you can exist.

The Atom is a larger fractal of that. When you align a bunch of them, you get a magnetic field. You can align the atoms of plastic while it hardens and turn that into a magnet just as easily as iron..

The phonon snaps that aperture open. Iron will stay open unlike most metals and so it will produce a permanent magnet. If we drop the permanent magnet on the floor, a phonon is produced and the aperture closes up thus destroying the magnet.

Oxygen O1 on the other hand being a gas is flexible and so it snaps right back to closed once the voltage is turned off. But that spark gap cavitation is what pops it open nice and wide.

Now that is all mostly basic an accepted science. Mostly...

Here is the part that is not but I can prove with experiment. When you open that aperture, the universe flows through that magnet in BOTH directions at a much higher flow rate. I feel this is part of why The Schwartzchild proton paper is off a bit on the predicted size of a magnetic field by 2.5 times calculated or correlated from the size of the universe. Nassim uses a magnetics model that is wrong.

Now if you understand at some imaginary, but real mechanical level what is going on with electricity and a magnet, things start to be simple and understandable. The models we are currently teaching in this regard are 180 degrees wrong. Paradox has a way of sounding true huh?

You sound switched on Core and I am sorry we hit it off wrong. I know how I am but I also know what I know. It comes with the turf.

I'm planning to build a cool experiment soon for Nassim and ship it to him to help him prove his position. I feel he will eventually be the next Einstein only he will get it right. The experiment is a mind blower because it is going to prove to you that so far, I have only taught you EXACTLY HALF of what electricity is. The other half is the half of the spring. The vacuum of zero point is 10 - ^93 of where we are right now. The entire universe as we know it, can be proven to fit into to 10 cm3.

I break my rule and make a vid for you before I ship it.

Anyway, at the end of the day, I totally get that I am the smallest and least important thing in this universe bar none.

Nappy time
« Last Edit: January 21, 2011, 09:33:38 PM by quarktoo »

quarktoo

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5196 on: January 21, 2011, 06:45:08 PM »
Read what I wrote yesterday about looking at the devices more closely. Why are there tubes and hoses on a transformer? Find that wood shop being run with a free energy device and you will see your pinched off tube in that video too.

Glad you are excited. Understanding AB effect is really the key to understanding it all. It is a fractal universe.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5197 on: January 21, 2011, 08:54:55 PM »
According to the quantum guys, electrons absorb photons when they accelerate, and emit photons when they decelerate. Not suggesting cause and effect, just noting the correlation. Refrigeration systems absorb heat when they convert to gas, and emit heat when they convert to liquid. Apparently, it takes less energy to force the respective phase change than it will absorb/emit through the phase change.

A capacitively dominant transmission line (a flat solenoid at resonance, a Tesla secondary), seems to be increasing voltage kinetically by accelerating electrons. The natural outcome of that is that the spacing between electrons should be increasing...rarefying, if you will...and becoming more gaseous. Sound familiar?

What if a Tesla secondary works like a refrigeration system, and is absorbing photonic energy from somewhere while accelerating, and emitting photonic energy while decelerating. And then the big 'what if' that follows, is what if the energy is being pumped in/out of the aether.

Not a theory, just fodder for thought.

If my thought fodder is allowed yours is golden. I  have developed [obviously] my own version of physics based on simple laws that make sense to me. You sound like a smart person, forget the books and just give me a common sense push back.

According to the quantum guys, electrons absorb photons when they accelerate, and emit photons when they decelerate. Not suggesting cause and effect, just noting the correlation.

There seems to be some debate on what a photon is and why it acts the way it does so I'll tell you what I think.

I think an electron or any particle is two vortex waves tip to tip sinning in different directions with the particle rolled in between as stated. But, it is only spinning on 1 axis.

Next - I convert the electron to a photon:
I have an electron and it is a basketball spinning on a single axis on my finger. I flip my finger towards me and the ball up into the air. It is now spinning on two different axises at two different speeds. OK?

Since that waves and particle have gyroscopic effect, and gyroscopic precession takes place 90 degrees down rotation, the two precessions act against each other directly at times.

The gyroscopic precession forces working against each other, cause the photon to lose energy and subsequently emit light (Bohr model of the atom) What was the gravity of the particle is now converted to light.

The zig zag pattern of flight of the photon is due to these two precession forces acting against each other and exchanging mass and energy between the two waves. The differential in speed of the two waves is what determines the wavelength of light.

This is what causes the zig zag flight path of a photon and why it appears and disappears. At times the photon may either be neutral or in and out of the local frame - not sure which but I suspect both.

The photon like any particle is always being fed from those two forces of vacuum and pressure - light and dark matter. All good

So far we know that I feel an photon is a basketball and why it behaves the way it does is a result of the Harlem globe trotters..

next...

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electrons absorb photons when they accelerate, and emit photons when they decelerate

When mass is accelerating, it is gaining energy. It wants to absorb energy and so would absorb an electron perhaps. (Bohr) I think it is really just an entanglement.
 
Now lets take that model I just explained an shoot that photon at a double slit.

Since the wave is really two vortex waves, and it of course is random depending on where in the precession shift it is regardless of wavelength, sometimes, the photon goes the the right slit, or the left slit or BOTH slits since that photon can be split in half just like an electron can be split in half during Aharonov Bohm effect.

I know I suck at explaining things but you can see how quantum physics just hit the trash can if you apply basic physics to a physical object that can be mechanically modeled on a large scale and will perform as advertised.

I can also explain the effect of the observer on the experiment, and prove it experimentally but won't do it here and now.

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A capacitively dominant transmission line (a flat solenoid at resonance, a Tesla secondary), seems to be increasing voltage kinetically by accelerating electrons. The natural outcome of that is that the spacing between electrons should be increasing...rarefying, if you will...and becoming more gaseous. Sound familiar?

Agreed. E=MC2 The faster it goes, the faster it wants to go. Nicely stated.

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Refrigeration systems absorb heat when they convert to gas, and emit heat when they convert to liquid. Apparently, it takes less energy to force the respective phase change than it will absorb/emit through the phase change.

Agreed - I would state it this way:
The GAS atoms absorb heat as they go from a high energy compressed liquid state to a lower energy gas state. Etc.

Now about that aether... Humans have zero concept of size or time from a universal perspective. Thankfully, that will never change. Just particles smaller than an electron and I think a permanent magnet streams them in both directions as do any energy field.

Any chance you could watch this video and help me go over his math to figure out why his magnetic field is off by 2.5? You would love the video and the paper is brief. [No pun]
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y5bXdx5UrE&feature=player_embedded

You sound like a pretty smart guy and have a nice way of compacting you writing. I wish that gift and I am sure that is unanimous.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2011, 09:24:55 PM by quarktoo »

quarktoo

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5198 on: January 21, 2011, 09:48:00 PM »
And then the big 'what if' that follows, is what if the energy is being pumped in/out of the aether.

Not a theory, just fodder for thought.

Sorry I missed that -

The problem I have with that is it assumes that the aether is somewhere else and that was proven wrong by Miller.

It is nothing more than particles smaller than an electron. An electron is made of parts of it in that aether is a fractal of electrons.

The reason permanent magnet particles goes right through you copper wire is the particles are smaller than an electron. That field is made of something physical and it is moving but they go right between every atom UNLESS the magnet starts moving and here is why.

Suppose you get all your neighbors to park their cars on the street. It is easy for you to cross the street without bumping into a car. But suppose they start driving around the block at 50 MPH. Odds are pretty good, when you try and cross that street, some of your mass (magnetic particles) and the car (wire) are going to collide and there is going to be an energy transfer.

So sure, a magnetic field is made of aether and probably some electrons too if you ask me. You breath eather, it flows through you and your house and the mountains and trees and ground to a depth of about 100 meters and altitude of 300 meters.

Aether is to electrons what sand is to gravel.

I am sure that electrons exchange with the aether when AB effect occurs. It is the smoke and dust of a nuclear sun or black hole in space. Energy source for this coil, not in a million years. 


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5199 on: January 21, 2011, 09:54:10 PM »
Any chance you could watch this video and help me go over his math to figure out why his magnetic field is off by 2.5? You would love the video and the paper is brief.

I have seen it. I found it very inspiring, although really haven't taken the time to dwell on it and understand the detail. I tend to be a very intuitive big picture thinker...but details make my head hurt. Works great for me at my company. As the president and vision guy, I can wave my arms and say vision-y things and then trust that my engineering staff is actually as smart as I pretend to be. ;)

You sound like a pretty smart guy and have a nice way of compacting you writing.

Ah, but that is part of the illusion.


I tend to view things more spatially than the other folks I work with. I see things as shapes and relationships, but not so much as numbers and equations. This is great for architecting systems, not always so great for other things. My struggle with free energy is that I desperately want to lump all OU type behaviors into one or more piles...and then classify the way they work in abstract forms. It drives the random experimenters among us nuts, but I have to have a working theory before I do anything in the lab.

One aspect of electricity I have observed is that there are really fundamentally different behaviors depending on whether it is moving fast or moving slow. Electricity as we normally work with it is moving at the speed of warm putty. Electricity that is being pushed by an electric field moves fast...like in a TT. Interestingly enough, nowhere in conventional electronics do we ever consider the kinetic energy of current, yet clearly, when charge is moving fast enough the kinetic energy becomes relevant. It stands to reason that so-called radiant energy is really just photonic and you start getting a bunch of it when you start speeding up and slowing down electrons. If there were conservation here, I would expect that the bigger the resonance, the lower the Q...because all of the photon pumping would be loading the coil. Do we see that in practice? If not, that suggests that the photonic energy may be free.

If the speed of an electron creates space between them, then perhaps the faster they move the more gas-like they become, and the slower, the more putty-like. If gas atoms can pump heat through such a process, then perhaps electrons can perform a similar...but lower level...function of pumping vacuum energy. That would actually suggest that a TT is OU as it sits...but...the magic is in figuring out how to use the energy...the photonic energy has to be collected without disturbing the source. Since at those frequencies, dang near anything nearby is a capacity...which lowers freq and Q...it is an interesting balancing act.

If that's true, TK's device could simply be a TT and a mechanism for harvesting some percentage of the excess and feeding it back to the source. At 150%, it would wind up pretty fast. If he were using a spark gap as the overload protection, then in addition to the high freq of the TT, there would be a discharge rate of the protection spark...which depending on how fast it wound up...could be something more like 10s or 100s of Hertz...perhaps even 50Hz. Such an approach would make the 3 phase system of manageable complexity.

I have absolutely no proof. Just ideas.


Just saw your follow up message...I used the term 'aether'...but what I really meant was what I usually call the 'energy substrate'...aka...the big huge pile of snort that powers the universe. What would you prefer to call it?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5200 on: January 21, 2011, 09:54:34 PM »
@LTBOLO

Let me ask you a question.

Will a transformer work differently on the highest mountain or deepest cave. Will a transformer work differently in deep space?

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If so, then I am wrong.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5201 on: January 21, 2011, 11:19:32 PM »
@LTBOLO

Snort works just fine.

I've got three project paths I could go down. I'm thinking the most simple and a slam dunk would be compression / acceleration of using shorted coils to cancel Lentz. It would also have the widest range of applications.

For most people, making a gas type coil would be a big project. Winding an alternator is something anyone can do and I think participation is what creates success. It only takes one lame hiker to hobble the whole group. If people fail, it gives the project a bad rap.

Here is one to puzzle your brain. You can wind a ferrite toroid with a good long tight coil that is center tapped, tie the ends to an amp meter and charge it with dc across the amp meter and the center tap.

Odd thing happens. The amp meter, even though connected with copper wire, stays deflected - indefinitely. Open a switch and it goes to zero.

I don't think Maxwell covered that but I could be wrong. How do we conserve current in a copper wire without voltage?

Odd huh?

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It can even be placed in a perpetual motion state. Even more strange is that there exists a moving field outside the toroid and it can magnetically interact with copper without affecting the toroid. That would seem to me to be vacuuming snort in what I call a super inductor.

It would not violate conservation of energy since it is a local field and I don't care about second law since it is a stupid law anyway.  ;)  (-Stephan Marinov experiment)

I think free energy is found in the cracks of EM theory

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« Reply #5202 on: January 21, 2011, 11:52:59 PM »
May I show you my observations - try C1 about 2uF/3000V, C2 20uF/3000V, L1 and L2 as Tarils coil was visible. Input about 1500V/40mA / 200Hz, Its a feedback system - you get a huge gain of power!

Have you built it? How much output power?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5203 on: January 22, 2011, 01:24:55 AM »
 
  It could be very possible that the copper tube has been charged with oxygen. I will have to purchase a florescent tube to proceed with the above experiment. I do have an oxygen tank from my torch set-up that I can use to charge a cylinder.

Respectfully,

Core

If the other end is open (wire going into the tube that wouldn't be air tight) how can it be charged with oxygen?

Is there a point in the video (that you can remember) that shows the wire going into the other end?  If we can see this, maybe we can determine that it is in fact air tight also, around the wire.

The tube appears to be around 1/4 inch in diameter.  What do you think/guess?

I plan to review the green box video yet again.  :(

DonL



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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #5204 on: January 22, 2011, 03:52:18 AM »
If the other end is open (wire going into the tube that wouldn't be air tight) how can it be charged with oxygen?

Is there a point in the video (that you can remember) that shows the wire going into the other end?  If we can see this, maybe we can determine that it is in fact air tight also, around the wire.

The tube appears to be around 1/4 inch in diameter.  What do you think/guess?

I plan to review the green box video yet again.  :(

DonL

Don,

  In the Green box video you can see a wire entering the copper tube. The tubing appears to me as 1/4" plumbing (metric for TK). A wire will fit in the tube fairly snug. One easy way to make it seal better would be to coat the wire with some oil this will make a beautiful hydraulic seal. There is a part in the video where they are inside the house and one of the guys has the coil in there hands. It is in this part that you see the back side of the copper tubing and it is here that the 'pinch-off' can be seen.

  I goofed on the 'plexi-glass' unit. I just looked at it  again. It can be clearly seen that the power coil (left side) is sealed. The right side is difficult to see there is no good camera angle I managed to get a blurry screen shot that show's a wire entering the coil's core.

  ON a different note. Anyone that has read the last seven pages or so with the exchanges between myself and Q2 must of had that 'Oh no here we go again' feeling. But I must say Q2 stepped up to bat and has made a lot of sense. He defiantly has introduced fresh idea's and a new avenue of experimentation.

Respectfully,

Core