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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16492248 times)

angryScientist

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4905 on: December 21, 2010, 03:37:32 AM »
It's my opinion that the High Voltage Wave Former is the key to this device. If I were to bet I would say that without the wave former no anomalous energy can be obtained. In fact, with out the wave former this device could be a stander oscillator/mixer found, in function that is, in any radio including FM, AM, and Continuous Wave.

I would also be so bold as to say the transformer is not that important except that it have a fairly reasonable Q, that is, a couple of tens magnification factor. Nothing spectacular. Else the load would have to be so constant that it could not be modified with out throwing the device completely out of tune, which doesn't seem to be the case.

Another thing to keep in mind is that a spark will not form at all at normal atmospheric temperature and pressure with any voltage less than ~ 5,000V - 6,000V volts. So the High Voltage coil could be adjusted to trip the spark gap only when the oscillations have reached approximately the maximum amount of magnification they can. Once the coil has stored enough energy the Wave Former pushes it out as a brief DC pulse into the load.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4906 on: December 21, 2010, 05:19:37 AM »
It's said that all the energy stored in the coil due to the magnification factor is invisible. That is, even though the energy is there it can not be used for anything be cause it can not be extracted.

I believe this is the way to get the energy out of that circuit. What was invisible is now usable. How it is gotten out is the "secrete."


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4907 on: December 21, 2010, 08:40:27 AM »
It's said that all the energy stored in the coil due to the magnification factor is invisible. That is, even though the energy is there it can not be used for anything be cause it can not be extracted.

I believe this is the way to get the energy out of that circuit. What was invisible is now usable. How it is gotten out is the "secrete."

AGREE.Moreover I think ferrite is not required but has just various advantages. In fact we could use soft iron pipe

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4908 on: December 21, 2010, 09:43:13 AM »
I used the term 'capacity' instead of 'capacitor' intentionally, to distinguish between a 2 pole device vs a 1 pole device.

There is no real difference. A one pole capacity is a two poles capacitor whose the second pole is a fictive electrode at infinity, considered storing no charge and enclosing the first one.
See http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8977.msg266455#msg266455

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In that sense, the earth is a capacity and the coil is a capacity...

I agree

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I am suggesting that the 2 cap experiment gives us a peek at how a strong charge gradient will behave...and specifically...it will cause more charge to travel from the source to the sink than the sink can contain.
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I think there are many misunderstandings about capacitors.

In the two cap experiment, at the moment the charge is maximal in C2 and null in C1, the voltage at C2 terminals is higher than at the first one, because the energy conservation implies that
W=1/2*C1*U12=1/2*C2*U22. C2 being less than C1, U2 is higher.
But only a part of the initial charge of C1 is transfered in C2. Why? Because energy in a capacitor is equal to the work for separating positive and negative charges. This work is the mechanical work done against the Coulomb force to move negative charges away from positive charges, i.e W=F*Q*dl where dl is the gap between the electrodes. In the big capacitor C1, dl is less than in C2, therefore the same energy in C1 is represented by a bigger quantity of separated charges than in C2. On other words, the positive and negative charges having to be more separated in C2 than in C1 because of a larger gap, less charges are concerned in C2 than in C1, in order the work for separating the charges to be the same in the two cases.

The mistake is to think a capacitor as being a reservoir of charges, when it is globally neutral because there is the same quantity of positive and negative charges on each electrode. The conservation of charges applies only to this quantity, which is zero.
The capacitor is only a system for an equal quantity of positive and negative charges to be maintained separated from one another, i.e storing the energy that was used against the Coulomb force for separating the charges.
It follows that adding charges by connecting only one terminal of the capacitor to a high potential or to the earth or to whatever will not change anything. Only the quantity of separated charges is meaningful.

 

forest

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4909 on: December 21, 2010, 10:47:51 AM »
One terminal to Earth , second one to the source of radiant energy  ;D
It should work, I proved it for myself in small quantity (no OU) just by using Avramenko plug which made potential difference between ground and second capacitor plate.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4910 on: December 21, 2010, 03:28:31 PM »
Postulate: Energy in = (Energy out - Losses)

Universal Source of Energy = Universal Ambient (virtually unlimited/continuously reconverted)

Conventional thinking:

Local E Input = Local E out - Losses (conversion)

Bigger Picture:

Local TRIGGER Energy Input = Abundant "hidden" source of Energy (Ambient/radiant/universal) - Local trigger E losses (resonance maintenance for ex.)

     This "access" appears to happen with 2 simultaneous effects in this case as stated by SR, one is the "conditioning" HV pulse through SG around the ferrite core and the other is the modulation coil which at the right moment or phase of this effect dumps the extra field onto the load coil that the ferrite "extracts" from the ambient.

    Hints from SR:
    - KT's green box device is somewhat misleading. The Turkish 100kW setup video though show's a good 80% of the concept (look at the Spark Gaps).
    - Parametric Resonance is not involved!
    - madsat's video contains an important element (http://www.youtube.com/user/madsatbg)


forest

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4911 on: December 21, 2010, 05:06:37 PM »
Doppler effect ?

Experiment : if we have two separate devices generating opposite sound and running at the same speed (being in the same frame reference) do we hear anything ? No.
When one device is slowdown for a peak moment and then return to the same speed we see Doppler effect and energy is visible and usable. Above ambient.

Earth system is electro-magnetic surely. Our device is EM too. What is our mistake that we can't do the same as Tesla - make an oscillator running itself for years once started ? Is our mistake "the closed path rule" ?

LtBolo

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4912 on: December 21, 2010, 05:52:31 PM »
There is no real difference...

My theory may be completely wrong for a great many very good reasons, but none of the answers given back to me seem to be addressing the real point I am trying to make. The earth appears to be a reservoir of charge. It either gives it up in lightning, or takes it in, but the fact that huge amounts of charge are flowing to or from the earth during the abundant number of lightning strike every day suggests very strongly it contains a large amount of free charge.

So if the earth is at an absolute non-zero charge state, then how do we define zero? If zero is something different than the earth, will the earth flow to zero? If the earth flows to zero, will it's behavior be similar to two caps leveling out?

All of the answers keep speaking in terms of charge separation and relative charge. I'm not talking about relative charge...I'm talking about absolute charge. I am reasonably confident that the capacitor as a charge separating 2 pole device doesn't offer any free energy, but if the earth is a virtually infinite source of free charge, then can we use capacitive behaviors to coerce it into giving us some of what it has? Kapanadze's and SR's devices both seemed to need a good ground...I take that as a clue.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4913 on: December 21, 2010, 06:10:11 PM »
LtBolo


I also think that Earth contains a lot of charge but the key question for me is not how it can be made usable (though it is important) but why that charge is there ?

If as I suppose it is by electric current from space which also is a source for gravity and magnetic shield then probably not only ground contains free electrons but also any metal (recall how Tesla taol about Earth as a polished metallic ball in space).
For me indirectly Kapanadze proved my concept my talking about 3 phase device not needing ground connection. Also other his video when as ground he used large metal construction of building not directly grounded in real ground indicate that this idea may be correct.

If you watched Tiger replication videos you probably saw that he disconnected real ground and device still worked more or less undisturbed. He has shown that the ground wire in his setup works like antenna capturing "something" which effectively raised efficiency of the circuit.

LtBolo

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4914 on: December 21, 2010, 06:23:43 PM »
I also think that Earth contains a lot of charge but the key question for me is not how it can be made usable (though it is important) but why that charge is there ?

Super question.

If as I suppose it is by electric current from space which also is a source for gravity and magnetic shield then probably not only ground contains free electrons but also any metal (recall how Tesla taol about Earth as a polished metallic ball in space).
For me indirectly Kapanadze proved my concept my talking about 3 phase device not needing ground connection. Also other his video when as ground he used large metal construction of building not directly grounded in real ground indicate that this idea may be correct.

So you think the excess charge may be more or less steady state in anything big enough to catch it? That would be a wonderful thing, if true. That would suggest that lightning isn't so much the result of accumulated charge as much as perhaps an imbalance in the ground state due to variable media density or something like that.

If you watched Tiger replication videos you probably saw that he disconnected real ground and device still worked more or less undisturbed. He has shown that the ground wire in his setup works like antenna capturing "something" which effectively raised efficiency of the circuit.

Haven't seen Tiger's vids, just saw the schematic Did he ever get anything stable and measurably OU? Gotta link?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4915 on: December 21, 2010, 06:54:54 PM »
Super question.

So you think the excess charge may be more or less steady state in anything big enough to catch it? That would be a wonderful thing, if true. That would suggest that lightning isn't so much the result of accumulated charge as much as perhaps an imbalance in the ground state due to variable media density or something like that.

Exactly.Balanced steady state flow. Imbalance is compensated with gain. Gain is due to changing frame of reference or in simpler words Doppler effect between stationary (Tesla "inertial circuits") and fast running Earth system.

Just a few crazy ideas.

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Haven't seen Tiger's vids, just saw the schematic Did he ever get anything stable and measurably OU? Gotta link?

http://www.youtube.com/user/Willer7B#p/u search for Tiger2007 videos (poor quality)

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« Reply #4916 on: December 21, 2010, 07:02:46 PM »
LtBolo

I also think that Earth contains a lot of charge but the key question for me is not how it can be made usable (though it is important) but why that charge is there ?

If as I suppose it is by electric current from space which also is a source for gravity and magnetic shield then probably not only ground contains free electrons but also any metal (recall how Tesla taol about Earth as a polished metallic ball in space).
ng" which effectively raised efficiency of the circuit.


   You suppose right. This has been demonstrated also by Nobel plasma physicist Hannes Alfven. Earth (and all planets) form with the sun a "circuit" through "frozen electromagnetic lines of force". Our planet "hurtling" through space behaves like a polished charged sphere, and as such produces a magnetic field. Tesla's Dynamic Theory of Gravity also explains the interaction between these emissions from earth and how they interact with the "ether" creating "gravity" for objects in earth's field.
   

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4917 on: December 21, 2010, 07:37:54 PM »
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I also think that Earth contains a lot of charge but the key question for me is not how it can be made usable (though it is important) but why that charge is there ?

Solar wind is responsible for this charge, some of which remains trapped in the Van Allen belts and then discharged to ground through the lightning over 3000 for day.
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4918 on: December 21, 2010, 08:21:16 PM »
Cosmo

Please!  if you can measure if your ferrite DO NOT PRODUCE NEUTRON RADIATION !
Just to be sure that Meyer & Macy patent is not a the source of effect.
I think it is very important.
French  patent application FR2680613

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4919 on: December 21, 2010, 08:48:43 PM »
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