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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13669385 times)

Offline leo48

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4215 on: October 19, 2010, 11:03:14 AM »
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Very speculative, really. Too much? Plausible? What is your opinion?

Good idea but the problem is translating it into some device that provides electricity to 220v and 50 hz with a capacity of at least 5kW of power.
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4216 on: October 19, 2010, 01:08:05 PM »
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... I opted to start at the beginning, something that deserves attention is the setup of a Tesla Coil with the addition of an extra coil in the fan community is also called as Tesla Magnifier. There are documents that highlight the strange voltage gain is obtained with this configuration.

Hey Trastos,

I suggest you read some books about Tesla's High frequency transformers and eventually read Colorado Springs notes. I personally understood that the "magnifier approach" had nothing to do with energy magnification, rather it is a engineering feat!

A classical tesla coil has to do compromises between primary coil's design for maximum energy transfer, it should it allow a free vibration of the secondary without being too much closed coupled and secondary's being made so as to provide that coupling and same time to withstand tremendous voltages without sparking easily.

The Tesla Magnifier is the perfect solution of industrial interest. At the end read Tesla's patent "Apparatus for transmiting electrical Energy" that is the epitome of oscillators.
I have made one small resembling the Magnifier and watched sparks up to 10cm with 40 watts input.

It is very very interesting piece of equipment and according to Tesla can be used for vast energy transfer around the globe, assuming it oscillates at an unknown to me frequency that the earth "responds" or oscillates also, thus not filtering the signal...

Apart from that, no FE there.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4217 on: October 19, 2010, 01:41:09 PM »
Thanks for sharing your experiences, my idea was to see if they had something to do with the setting "extra coil" to the configuration of coils Kapanadze, because they use longitudinal waves. If you say that they are two different ways of working, I don't check this and think other possibilities.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4218 on: October 19, 2010, 02:08:38 PM »
You gave me an reason to expose my ideas about the longitudinal waves.

Waves in nature come in two shapes. Tranverse and longitudinal.

The Hertzian waves Tesla spoke of (and disregarded so much) is the common electromagnetic radiation that according to some is the propagation of displacement current using the ether as a medium or any  medium having electric properties thus resulting in electric and magnetic fields interchanging in each other in 90 degrees planes. As far i remember Maxwell's first try to explain those waves was based on the ether assumption.

Hertian waves is a byproduct and loss of a Tesla coil in operation. Tesla observed that those losses go almost in the square of the working frequency over a piece of wire, since the electrical oscillating energy tends to radiated as EM and lost from system as well other factors as wire's diameter etc.
Tesla strived to eliminate those loses - the Hertzian ones- by making his oscillators working in the low frequency spectrum of RF 20-100 KHz namely.

Longitudinal Waves
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A working Tesla coil firmly grounded, if viewed from the electrical oscillations side, it is a pump sucking and pushing electrons in and out the earth by emptying and charging its topload capacitance.
Amperage can be considerable (capacitance x voltage x frequency).
Push-Pull EMF action produce electrical waves in the ground spreading towards all directions away from the working Tesla coil just like the pressure spreading from a syringe filling and emptying its volume to a washbowl.

Those waves of EMF inside the ground according to Tesla are longitudinal in nature and spreading faster than speed of light.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4219 on: October 19, 2010, 03:13:29 PM »
Possible theoretical source of energy of Kapanadze's device.

As said before I would prefer not to suppose a priori that there is OU and not to "philosophize" around the possible "magic" of the device. Just the facts. Nevertheless here is an exception, very speculative.

If we presume there is OU in Kapanadze's device, the simplest explanation should be the right one, according to Ockham's razor. Nobody yet succeeded in exploiting exotic sources of energy like ZPE or like Maxwell demons. We will dismiss them as well as crazier speculations like virtual photons, gravity field...
And if we don't suppose it is a scam, we can also say that a conventional energy source is obviously missing.

Now a possible lenr is not to be discarded. Lenr have been demonstrated in electrical arcs. A β- radioactivity due to the spark could be the source of energy. It would explain the need of an earth connection. A beta reaction frees electrons while creating ions. The earth connection permits to maintain the immediate neutrality of one of the two connectors of the spark gap. It provides instantly electrons, reversing the ions to the state of simple atoms as soon as a β- electron is extracted, and forcing the liberated electrons to flow in the circuit before returning to the earth.

Very speculative, really. Too much? Plausible? What is your opinion?

My opinion.

A guy who uses a steak knife as a wire cutter would have no idea what your talking about. So how would he have stumbled upon that?

If you believe SR then take his advise:
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Throw your cleverness  (oops, sorry, education) far away and just think about the process: what motivates the generation of electricity.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4220 on: October 19, 2010, 03:36:45 PM »
This is like Kapanadze pattent?

http://users.ntua.gr/stpapath/Paper_2.43.pdf
« Last Edit: October 19, 2010, 04:38:02 PM by Shokac »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4221 on: October 19, 2010, 04:46:21 PM »
A guy who uses a steak knife as a wire cutter would have no idea what your talking about. So how would he have stumbled upon that?

Having spent some time in several countries that were formerly part of the Soviet bloc, I very strongly disagree with that statement, Core. Don't confuse lack of resources with lack of knowledge. They are in many cases very poor, but they are also resourceful. In fact, given that I have a university education, lots of money, and a lab full of equipment...and I still haven't done what Kapanadze has done...I would say that is strong justification that the guy is a friggin genius.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4222 on: October 19, 2010, 05:03:22 PM »
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My opinion.
A guy who uses a steak knife as a wire cutter would have no idea what your talking about. So how would he have stumbled upon that?


Core, you cannot just throw away your education of proven knowledge just because SR says you so.
Secondly a man who cuts wire with a steak knife instead of a sophisticated wire cutter could be a rocket scientist educated, but the impoverished circumstances require a solution to be found.

Great masters can do elaborate things with humble means.
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And if we take SR's advice of what stimulates the production of electricity, i would say the changing magnetic field's strength.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4225 on: October 19, 2010, 05:47:41 PM »
Here are my thoughts, some of them have to do with my other experiments. I figured I would share them here.


That SR document has been around for awhile. Back on page 230 or so on this thread I spoke about the two transformer experiment that I conducted. But of course it was dismissed because smart people stated 'it's not OU!' NOTHING in that experiment was about OU. It was making a point that 'injecting a HV arc in a low voltage signal made the light flash brighter' That's it No more No less. What should be taken away from that is 'mixing voltages' may be important.

 Looking at the Tariel video 'with the green box' there are a couple things about his sparkgap.
(A) Shielded wire is used to transmit the energy. The energy is so fragile and small he is afraid to lose it?

(B) NO WAY is that a spark directly from a transformer. Cosmo, by his own admission, does not release information about the High Voltage side.

Reflecting on point (B).
The 'Green box' video appears to be Tariel's first device. The SparkGap is so small that it lead me to believe that it is not coming directly from the HV transformer BUT is the 'product' of the HV side of the system. For the last 60 years everyone has played with SparkGaps from HV transformers only to get no closer to OU then when they started. So try something differant 'think outside the box' as they say.
NO WAY IS TARIEL'S SPARK DIRECTLY FROM A TRANSFORMER.

To quote SR from the document.
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2) electric arc discharge is more accurate. Many simply to fanaticism collect classic transformers arc gap looking at them, the principle of operation of the plant Tariel Kapanadze - is also misleading and even what! Yes, the arc is important to install, but it plays a very different role, he is not involved in switching. Those who have collected these transformers, probably burned a lot of devices, must understand that they have collected is not something that Kapanadze, in other words - it is just RF transformer with a high yield, this transformer is only good for toys.

From that statement you can see some 'Key' words.
Keywordelectric arc discharge is more accurate:
Keywordsclassic transformers arc gap looking at them:

Explanation: He is talking about TWO types of discharges 'Electric arc' and 'Transformer arc' then he goes on to ridicule people who sit there and are fascinated about sparks. So it is 'safe' to say that the traditional way of getting 'Sparks' is not correct. There is another way to get 'Sparks' and Ferrite appears to make it easy.   

http://www.youtube.com/user/core315185#p/a/u/0/TN4aVCYiHx4

Keywords (the arc is important) - (but it plays a very different role),- (not involved in switching)

Explanation: Everyone does the same thing with an arc (Tesla Coil) it is not being used that way. It is also not being 'switched' so this must imply it is constantly on and most likely being 'injected' somewhere. My first guess is that it has a lot to do with the Two Transformer experiment.

Keyphases:
(A) - I want to say that for the formation of sinusoids used power bipolar transistors, PNP and NPN conductivity, each in its half-wave, and how it works with the transformer is not going to say.

(B) -  ......but there are conditions under which the field can not do work, then take some action so that it can do the work.

(C) - I would say that 80% of the principle of the installation can be seen in a video installation of 100kW


  My understanding of electronics is limited but this is what I get from the above.
(A) The transistors are being used to create a Sinusoidal wave so it stands to reason that there are at least (four) independent coils on the mixing transformer. As an example we have the Degrees (0 - 90) - (90 - 180) - (180 - 270) - (270 - 360). Each independent coil is responsible for recreating a section of the 'Sine wave' (Kinda like using PhotoShop to create a picture using Layers).
  To take it one step further. let's say that one transistor creates the (0 - 90) degree part of a sine wave, nanoseconds later the other transistor creates the (90 - 180) part. Nanoseconds after that the first transistor creates the (180 - 270) part and then finally the (270 - 360) part. Now if I mix the 'Spark' of an electric field with Low voltage High Amperage (Like  SR's two transformer test) use that energy and build a sine wave as stated above wouldn't I be creating a 'Standing wave' in the coil? -- Just brainstorming.

Key phrase (B) above fall's in line with the Transistor switching. You also go back to the 'Dead Field'. Interesting note and Electric field and Magnetic field are two side's of the same thing. The energy of one creates the other.

[EDIT] - just want to state that a refrigerant, at the saturation point, is at a state that if energy is injected it becomes a Vapor, if energy is removed it become a Liquid. At saturation it is a combination of both. This is the most important aspect in refrigeration. Without it you get nothing.

My simple mind tells me this:

Dead field = 'Electric field'

1. So the entire mixing transformer is covered by an 'Electric field' maybe one side (+) positive one side (-) as in my other thread.

2. My mixing coil has (4) independent coil's

3. These coil's are in the 'Electric field' each coil is triggered to create a section of a sine wave. Each coil see's an in-rush of high current mixed with energy (voltage) from the 'spark gap'. The energy of the 'electric field' over that particular coil that is energized is passed to the magnetic field. When 'de-energized' the collapsing magnetic field augments the 'electric field'. This cycle repeats. Note: killing the high voltage would 'shut down' the unit as this would destroy the electric field and the 'boost' from the spark-gap.   

Keyphrase (C)
If 80% can be seen then it stands to reason that 80% of the device goes into creating an electric field. On the video we have voltage but little to no amperage being used?

[Edit] - Injecting a steady DC voltage would enhance the electric field and possibly create the ' Magnetic amplifier' trick?

One more thing:

@LtBolo

Here is the quote from SR:

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Suppose there is some stuff that is burning, but quickly recovered and again begins to burn, thus creating heat.

LtBolo you stated that a screwdriver 'heated up' in your core. What if you had (4) independent coils. Each one brought just the section it was covering to saturation (just like you are doing now) Wouldn't it stand to reason that if they where triggered at different times they would 'Heat' up and quickly recover? Kinda like SR said.

Also Cosmo stated about 40 or so pages back the following:
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High voltage = Injector
Low voltage = piston
Ferrite = combustion engine.
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Also on the above point:
If LtBolo's ferrite is getting so hot that it heats up a screwdriver wouldn't it stand to reason that energy is being transferred, via conduction, across the steel of the screwdriver?
If a thick ground wire is placed in the ferrite, and based on the above, wouldn't movement via conduction be created in the ground wire? What effect this has I have no idea. Maybe if the movement follows the creation of the sinusoidal wave, as mentioned above, then maybe a 'Standing Wave' is created in the ground wire???

Just my thoughts... maybe I'm just talking out my a$$.  ::)

Someone will quote me on that last line.

Respectfully,

Core
 


 
« Last Edit: October 19, 2010, 06:29:34 PM by core »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4225 on: October 19, 2010, 05:47:41 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4226 on: October 19, 2010, 06:47:13 PM »
Relevant Patents and documents of Kapanadze Patent WO2008103129A1 page 9

Converter wherein a piezoelectric transformer input signal is frequency modulated by a pulse width modulated signal
EP 0758159, US Patent: US 5739622 published on 14-Apr-1998
http://ip.com/patent/US5739622

Operation of a prototype Microgrid system based on micro-sources equipped with fast-acting power electronics interfaces
http://users.ntua.gr/stpapath/Paper_2.43.pdf

High voltage battery charger
US 2003/0038612 A1 published on 27-Feb-2003
http://ip.com/patapp/US20030038612

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4227 on: October 19, 2010, 07:48:44 PM »
LtBolo you stated that a screwdriver 'heated up' in your core. What if you had (4) independent coils. Each one brought just the section it was covering to saturation (just like you are doing now) Wouldn't it stand to reason that if they where triggered at different times they would 'Heat' up and quickly recover? Kinda like SR said.

Screwdriver got hot faster than ferrite got hot. It was definitely an induction effect. The problem was that I couldn't find any order to it, it just seemed like a super high eddy current at very high frequency...wavelength so short that it wasn't possible to do anything useful with it.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4228 on: October 19, 2010, 08:15:51 PM »
Looking at the Tariel video 'with the green box' there are a couple things about his sparkgap.
(A) Shielded wire is used to transmit the energy. The energy is so fragile and small he is afraid to lose it?

hmmm. look this shematic.

Only need HV and spark.

And very important thing:
The most obvious approach would be to make a DC to AC inverter, having 110 or 220V AC output at 50 or 60 Hz, but this requires a rather large and heavy transformer. So it's better to use a high frequency, at least 25kHz, so a very small and cheap transformer can be used. See what it says in the picture regarding grounding.

This confirms Cosmos claim. Transistors do not serve in order to get 50Hz but that could get a smaller ratio of the transformer.

« Last Edit: October 19, 2010, 09:25:31 PM by Shokac »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4229 on: October 19, 2010, 08:21:08 PM »
hmmm. look this shematic.

Only need HV and spark

You may want to re-size that before Pirate see's it :D

Respectfully,

Core

 

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