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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13967015 times)

Offline LtBolo

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3765 on: September 27, 2010, 04:16:55 PM »
When accounting the energy spent in that setup there is no overall gain

That may well be true, but I don't know how you can conclude that from the information provided...unless of course you know exactly what provides the gain we seek.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3766 on: September 27, 2010, 06:09:20 PM »
Ok.Hmm where to start.... ?

1. Tesla used AC high frequency but later he bought Edison DC generators and worked with them (they were cheap as a crap). He said in one patent then radiant energy is generated simpler with DC.
With AC you need careful synchronized make and break to break exactly at the peak of wave.
(see Tesla patents and his notes on AC (http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm#40)

2. Kapanadze said that  two important method are used :
a) keep the resonance : which means that load do not disturb resonance
b) it works by changing electricity into gaseous form called radiant electricity



Listen to core he is onto something I think... ::)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3767 on: September 27, 2010, 08:42:27 PM »
This was a good question, it got me thinking. Is it possible that a 'change of state' for electricity is going from a 'Magnetic field' to an 'Electric field'? Is it possible that a massive energy exchange takes place in the process?

The Aether Physics Model says that there are two types of electric charge...two different forms of electricity...electrostatic and electromagnetic. Dollard said the same thing, although he called it magnetodielectricity and electromagnetism. Dollard further went on to say that a Tesla coil is actually converting the energy from electromagnetism to magnetodielectricity. They are not the same thing, and they do not work the same way.

The electromagnetic variant likes metals and isn't so fond of insulators, but the magnetodielectric variant is perfectly happy stored in glass. Clearly those aren't the same thing.

If as Forest suggests...and I think Tesla basically said...that magnetodielectricity is the gaseous form of electricity, then the transition from electromagnetism to magnetodielectricity and back to electromagnetism might in fact provide similar gains to liquid to gas to liquid in refrigeration systems.

The big question in my mind then is where does the extra charge get pulled from? In refrigeration systems it is pulling ambient heat...yielding a cooler environment on one side and a hotter one on the other. What is ambient electricity in this sense? Atmospheric ionization? Or aether energy? Or does it even matter?


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3768 on: September 27, 2010, 08:57:50 PM »
LtBolo

My respect. :)

Now... you have resonant circuit and during 1/4 time of period you change energy form into electrostatic like gas (radiant electricity) and back to electric.Does it change resonance ?
I suspect that you know Gerry Vassilatos book as read by Peter Lindemann in his "Free energy secrets of cold electricity"
Radiant electricity which Tesla found had great impact on envinronment , generating currents in metals. Was that with or without consuming work ?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3769 on: September 27, 2010, 09:19:31 PM »
LtBolo

My respect. :)

Now... you have resonant circuit and during 1/4 time of period you change energy form into electrostatic like gas (radiant electricity) and back to electric.Does it change resonance ?
I suspect that you know Gerry Vassilatos book as read by Peter Lindemann in his "Free energy secrets of cold electricity"
Radiant electricity which Tesla found had great impact on envinronment , generating currents in metals. Was that with or without consuming work ?


Oops I thought that Bearden said something like that.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tbfrenrg.htm
Is S-Flow then same as  radiant electricity ? I don't know.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3770 on: September 27, 2010, 09:52:16 PM »
OK.Hmm where to start.... ?

1. Tesla used AC high frequency but later he bought Edison DC generators and worked with them (they were cheap as a crap). He said in one patent then radiant energy is generated simpler with DC.
With AC you need careful synchronized make and break to break exactly at the peak of wave.
(see Tesla patents and his notes on AC (http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm#40)

2. Kapanadze said that  two important method are used :
a) keep the resonance : which means that load do not disturb resonance
b) it works by changing electricity into gaseous form called radiant electricity



Listen to core he is onto something I think... ::)

:)

Unfortunately Tesla does not give us Free Energy device in his patents, we all know it - so what to do?
resonance are great thing, but this also not give us Free energy in any way - peoples around the world, thousands and millions of researchers, enthusiasts - everybody try to build something, but nothing... so much metaphysic energy are wasted, but we all know that energy transforms no matter what kind of energy, phisic or meta-phisics (all energy transforms) it returns in other matter, heat, electricity. in meta-phisics level our phantasy's, dreams - realises and become a reality.
all these forms are energy.

Processes: Peak of wave from High frequency are divided in two half waves by emitter follower.
i make a little diagram for experiments - i will post it later tonight or tomorrow.

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Offtopic:
i give some experience from my life in past years:
when i realise that free energy will be great thing i start to search peoples who do it with me - together. i made name for it "Umbrella Technologies" www.umbrellatech.lv
i made forum, where we talking about ideas - great ideas and visions about future, But in a couple months all burns out and we start to quarrel with each other for no reasons. i thinking the reason for that and what i see is that all quarrels are in meta-phisics level, because we have build already this reality in us minds - so whats happen?

when you have a electric motor who are connected to unlimited power line and start to distribute to this motor greater energy as it can support, then motor burns out - and this is what happen - "ideas and only talking brings everything to burn out" and on this time on umbrella are left only one idea who are not only talked but really made - it is Orgons. so be careful with your energy :)

Tariel Kapanadze's problem:
Tariel wants to give these energy device to everybody and in the same time he want a money for laboratory - Laboratory are dream for Tariel, so he need a investor to make this all happen.

Problem:
Tariel around 7 years try to find investor, but nothing, all he get is tryings to steel his technology and this is not all, he get sick and have health problems.

Now see what happening on metaphysics level:
he want to make others happy and free, this energy are so far away from reality, that it burns out and the global system what are now and the pendulum of that system try to kill those who trying to be concurrent - this is natural process, but nobody are see it.

First is to make yourself happy and happiness are not depending from free energy devices.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3771 on: September 27, 2010, 10:12:14 PM »
:)

First is to make yourself happy and happiness are not depending from free energy devices.

This one little statement says so much.
No one can "think" of good things when they are miserable, depressed, unhealthy, etc.
We have to have a good happy mind set in order to succeed.  I don't mean "silly happy" but happy where we are in a good mood, joking, laughing at things.  NOT insulting, arguing, calling names, etc.
This is why I believe so many of these threads die off.  When someone comes on the thread talking negatively, demeaning, insulting, disrupting the positive flow, all creativity stops and the idea just sits there not growing.  Thus the thread dies off.

Just look back several pages to when this thread was dieing and compare it to these past few days with the excitement of new ideas and new ways of thinking.  This thread is alive again.

We don't need negative words or thoughts that will stifle (stop) the positive flow.
Please ignore anyone with negative comments.  Just don't give their negativity any energy by responding to their comment.

JUST SAY NO (ignore) to Negativity!


DonL


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3772 on: September 28, 2010, 12:21:48 AM »
nievesoliveras - these images give nothing :)

There is one useful design:


Suppose there is a transformer, two coils which are configured exactly in resonance (two related LC-circuit). The positive feedback provides pickup coil L connection. So let's say until you have heard rumors, though seems to be somehow possible to removing the payload from the second path P out "10W - with no" feedback effects ", no" bad losses "in the first circuit did not make! Though loaded with the second circuit, or non loaded - all the same! That is determined only by the loss "REACTIVE. / Q. It is clear that we must have a plus-feedback (as in the receiver - the regenerator) - but (in conventional transformers) if we do compensate "insertion" (harmful) loss in loop I, it will automatically disappear and "useful" emf in the loop II. So, there must be an asymmetry coefficient of induction.

Hard to understand your English hehe :D

Bottom coil with low number if turns is pickup coil ?
Where is the load in second ? In series to LC or in paralel ?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3773 on: September 28, 2010, 12:30:23 AM »
Is he referring to a refrigeration system when he makes the comment?

Refrigeration systems are well known to have a COP > 1...over 10 in best cases. Of course the resulting energy is heat, which isn't the easiest to work with. However, the key question is how does a refrigeration system use a small amount of energy to extract or transfer a large amount of energy? Regardless of where it comes from, when I can use 1 unit of energy to extract 10 units of energy, that is a good thing.

Whether is it heat or electricity, it would seem that we are harnessing quantum level energies. In the refrigeration example, that involves phase change. There have been similar discussions of ionization of gases...H2 -> 2H -> H2...doing the same kind of things. Perhaps electricity has similar possibilities.

Don't have any sense of its credibility, but the Aether Physics Model (APM) claims that there are 2 distinctly different types of charge...electrostatic and electromagnetic. That also agrees pretty well with Dollard, who called it magnetodielectric and electromagnetic, so there may be merit to the theory. If there are quantum energy pumping effects in the transition between the two forms of charge, much like liquid to gas to liquid, then the answer may lie in going from electromagnetic to electrostatic/magnetodielectric to electromagnetic.

It would be a stretch to say that either charge type is liquid or gas...but...the electrostatic output of a Tesla coil is certainly more like a gas than the input. Again, this is all a very big stretch, but we see that the same patterns play out over and over in nature. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest to find that electric charge follows similar patterns.

I guess the question is what you do about it? If a Tesla coil allows you to convert electromagnetic energy into electrostatic energy, then what type of device does the reverse? A normal step-down transformer? I'm guessing not...since the Telsa coil isn't a normal step-up transformer.

Since a Tesla coil is just a transmission line with series capacitance and parallel inductance, then would a transmission line that is series inductance and parallel capacitance do the opposite? Tuned section of coax? Or bifilar windings...which behave more like caps...tuned with series inductance?

Just brainstorming...

Uses heat energy.
At -273 C there is no heat energy.
Similar circuit should not produce heat should produce cold. All EE circuits produce heat .

Tesla coil secondary could be considered and paralel LC, if top capacity has reference to ground like L..

TC reciever do exactly thing you need picks up electrostatc and at the top and  makes electromagnetic at the bottom ..

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3774 on: September 28, 2010, 12:33:04 AM »
@CosmoLV

First you say:
...Suppose there is a transformer, two coils which are configured exactly in resonance (two related LC-circuit)....

Then you say:
...resonance are great thing, but this also not give us Free energy in any way....
Processes: Peak of wave from High frequency are divided in two half waves by emitter follower.
i make a little diagram for experiments - i will post it later tonight or tomorrow.

What is good and what is wrong ?????

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3775 on: September 28, 2010, 12:39:41 AM »
Stop make a brawl :)

just make experiment:

Take ferrite rod OR rod from toroid's wrap around Tesla coil with isolated cable connect it through sparkgap, other end to ground
make second coil around it and apply DC or AC current to make electromagnet

Results:
When HV are in first coil and DC or AC on second coil, you will not get an electromagnet, but if you turn off HV then ferrite turns into electromagnet. (now you can try to synchronise it with sparkgap and play with sparkgap polarisation) it need to spark with little needles very steady and quiet

Try it with AC and DC
Tesla worked with AC and with rotary breaker he break signal in half way, but we can work using generator for it, like Emitter Follower. but for start it is great to do it with AC - you can take 9 to 15 volts - good for start.

just try - because we can do theories for all us life and get nothing ;)

and last: device are very simple, so simple than, nobody Kan make it - i think this is because everybody try to find something like Back EMF OR other Sh*t - that all stuff are absolutely stupid and there nothing to do with Free energy (i mean all Bedini devices and technology) forget it, there are no free energy and never had

Why not use perm magnet and ferire toroid .
WE put perm magnet inside ferrite toroid to create magnet field.  Toroid under HV HF will loose its magnetic properties and there will be no closed magnetic loop.
So we got Voltage controlled magnet.. if energy needed to control ferrite is lower  than energy induced in other coil arround ferrite than we have OU hmm

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3776 on: September 28, 2010, 12:47:17 AM »
:)

Unfortunately Tesla does not give us Free Energy device in his patents, we all know it - so what to do?
resonance are great thing, but this also not give us Free energy in any way - peoples around the world, thousands and millions of researchers, enthusiasts - everybody try to build something, but nothing... so much metaphysic energy are wasted, but we all know that energy transforms no matter what kind of energy, phisic or meta-phisics (all energy transforms) it returns in other matter, heat, electricity. in meta-phisics level our phantasy's, dreams - realises and become a reality.
all these forms are energy.

Processes: Peak of wave from High frequency are divided in two half waves by emitter follower.
i make a little diagram for experiments - i will post it later tonight or tomorrow.

-----

Offtopic:
i give some experience from my life in past years:
when i realise that free energy will be great thing i start to search peoples who do it with me - together. i made name for it "Umbrella Technologies" www.umbrellatech.lv
i made forum, where we talking about ideas - great ideas and visions about future, But in a couple months all burns out and we start to quarrel with each other for no reasons. i thinking the reason for that and what i see is that all quarrels are in meta-phisics level, because we have build already this reality in us minds - so whats happen?

when you have a electric motor who are connected to unlimited power line and start to distribute to this motor greater energy as it can support, then motor burns out - and this is what happen - "ideas and only talking brings everything to burn out" and on this time on umbrella are left only one idea who are not only talked but really made - it is Orgons. so be careful with your energy :)

Tariel Kapanadze's problem:
Tariel wants to give these energy device to everybody and in the same time he want a money for laboratory - Laboratory are dream for Tariel, so he need a investor to make this all happen.

Problem:
Tariel around 7 years try to find investor, but nothing, all he get is tryings to steel his technology and this is not all, he get sick and have health problems.

Now see what happening on metaphysics level:
he want to make others happy and free, this energy are so far away from reality, that it burns out and the global system what are now and the pendulum of that system try to kill those who trying to be concurrent - this is natural process, but nobody are see it.

First is to make yourself happy and happiness are not depending from free energy devices.

You have TC transmitter in Moscow and you have TC reciever in Banglasesh :D When you put light bulb load to TC reciever 1000km away , you claim that TC transmitter will FEEL it like load ?
It was kind of a joke above... but jets talk about TC reciever and transmitter at closer distances :D

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3777 on: September 28, 2010, 01:02:00 AM »
Dear grizli - in tariel device and in SR device are not recieving and transmitting technology - forget it.
it is little bit different - there are strong magnetic fields, nothing is transmitted or recieved – i connot imagine a electric transmission with TC without loses, this is impossible.

Anyway - your message are little bit stupid :)

Offline grizli

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« Reply #3778 on: September 28, 2010, 02:15:15 AM »
Dear grizli - in tariel device and in SR device are not recieving and transmitting technology - forget it.
it is little bit different - there are strong magnetic fields, nothing is transmitted or recieved – i connot imagine a electric transmission with TC without loses, this is impossible.

Anyway - your message are little bit stupid :)

Transmitter and reciever are here just that transmitter do not see resiever as load .

Still why you dont make any OU device SR replica or Kapanadze replica if you REALLY KNOW how this works ?

Tariel Turkey device look REALLY like Tesla coil after all.  what SR device has to do with Tariel device if Tariel claims there is NO  FERRITe inside , no ferrite means principles are different, if SR device use HV to manipulate ferrite and make it magnetic and no magnetic without energy used

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3779 on: September 28, 2010, 02:28:15 AM »
Transmitter and reciever are here just that transmitter do not see resiever as load .

Still why you dont make any OU device SR replica or Kapanadze replica if you REALLY KNOW how this works ?

Tariel Turkey device look REALLY like Tesla coil after all.  what SR device has to do with Tariel device if Tariel claims there is NO  FERRITe inside , no ferrite means principles are different, if SR device use HV to manipulate ferrite and make it magnetic and no magnetic without energy used

ok, make one of the devices SR or Tariel and then teach us how to transmitt from TC without loses and get Free energy.
Talking is great thing, but if starting theories, then all real work stops.

P.S.
Tariel work with magnetic fields too but in little bit different way as SR, yes he use tesla coil, but bifilar - but i do not want to get there too deep - specialy on Tariel device.

and "NO" there are not using electric Transmission system with TC - this is all theories and it ends with fail.
Transmitting electricity wirelesly, this is only technology to transmit and it is nothing to do with free energy.