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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13950107 times)

Offline minde4000

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3750 on: September 26, 2010, 11:50:13 PM »
@LtBolo

I am refering to Linde's condenser. In the end of Kapanadze video at one point Frolov points finger to Linde's condenser and says "the setup you have seen was based on THIS". So..  From all that Tesla booklet he has he points out that particular device. (BTW tesla bifilar is right next to Linde's condenser in that booklet for a REASON)

  Also there are few PDFs floating around where Linde's condenser is being directly related as being gas analog to electric Tesla transformer.. Maybe if people would understand exect principle of how Linde's condenser works Kapanadze work would be so mysterious... :)

Minde

   

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3751 on: September 26, 2010, 11:56:09 PM »
You are confused ...DC have alot of losses ? No AC have alot of losses .

Tesla didnt have access to tubes for his HF experiments ,  he used LC resonance or mechanical switches , for that you need HVDC to charge the capacitor for the release .

1. Geez man..... you are so wrong...

2. Tubes? Who need tubes for AC?...

3. Dont mix DC storage with DC work done.

Minde

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3752 on: September 27, 2010, 12:41:39 AM »
1. Geez man..... you are so wrong...

2. Tubes? Who need tubes for AC?...

3. Dont mix DC storage with DC work done.

Minde

Geez man ... learn ur basics .

Me wrong ? No you are wrong .

I work with 15 KW DC multiphase rectifiers everyday of the week , they are more than 95% efficient and have no other losses ... Think HVDC power transmission , I have studied extensively the characteristics of what makes an efficient audio transformer and they are lossy , HV HF with tubes is more efficient . I think I know more about this than somebody with no experience . Theres only 2 other ways to get to where we want . Resonating LC with sparkgaps , or HV DC pulses

People talk of HVHF like it came out of a box of cracker jack ...

For efficiency of DC storage , you need DC , near pure DC , not bumpy DC .

If you dont have that blocking diode , you get an impedance when the system is not discharging , you waste energy , you also get slow charge when you dont have good DC average . See Richie Burnett , he explains it .

Offline LtBolo

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3753 on: September 27, 2010, 01:18:06 AM »
It is amazing to me how much time gets wasted on pissing matches on this forum. It isn't helpful.

The truth is that you are both right. Dang near everything Tesla built used inductors and capacitors...and last time I checked those were only useful with something other than DC, be it AC or other forms of varying current and voltage. Even when he used DC it was primarily to generate an inpulse to stimulate resonance.

On the other hand, DC based excited caused effects decidedly different than pure AC excitation, so DC had definite advantages that Tesla exploited.

So let's shake hands, have a beer, and move along.

Offline minde4000

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3754 on: September 27, 2010, 01:18:22 AM »
You are confused ...DC have alot of losses ? No AC have alot of losses .

I dont see word "RECTIFIER" do you? Your rectifier efficiency has nothing to do with DC perfoming work. BTW your "everyday work" is home your experimenting stuff aint it?

Altho I agree 100% on your DC pulse or sparkgap excited LC system. However this has nothing to do with DC efficiency.

Don Smith had sparkgap excited LC or collapsing field collector if you will. I am yet to see a single replication of it.. People build some literally piece of shit (not even sorry) and then complain how come it dosnt work.. then blame inventor... how sad.. I have collector but no radio freqency spark generator... nor anyone else does as far as I know.

Lets stay on topic.

Minde

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3755 on: September 27, 2010, 02:44:41 AM »
Stop make a brawl :)

just make experiment:

Take ferrite rod OR rod from toroid's wrap around Tesla coil with isolated cable connect it through sparkgap, other end to ground
make second coil around it and apply DC or AC current to make electromagnet

Results:
When HV are in first coil and DC or AC on second coil, you will not get an electromagnet, but if you turn off HV then ferrite turns into electromagnet. (now you can try to synchronise it with sparkgap and play with sparkgap polarisation) it need to spark with little needles very steady and quiet

Try it with AC and DC
Tesla worked with AC and with rotary breaker he break signal in half way, but we can work using generator for it, like Emitter Follower. but for start it is great to do it with AC - you can take 9 to 15 volts - good for start.

just try - because we can do theories for all us life and get nothing ;)

and last: device are very simple, so simple than, nobody Kan make it - i think this is because everybody try to find something like Back EMF OR other Sh*t - that all stuff are absolutely stupid and there nothing to do with Free energy (i mean all Bedini devices and technology) forget it, there are no free energy and never had

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3756 on: September 27, 2010, 02:56:55 AM »
Within the last day or so excellent 'posts' have been written by all! Kudos.

   I would like to ask a few questions and perhaps answer a few also. At the end of this post I will post a picture of 'SR's 'two' transformer experiment that that I ran which yielded results worth viewing. For starters for those who are viewing the 'refrigeration' comments I made a few pages back please do not get hung up on the wording. I am simple making a point that '3' processes are 'naturally' combined to create '1'. This is also known by many as 'The Trinity'.

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@Dankie1
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Could you plz point me towards those words of wisdom .

It appears that the SR193 device was not a kapanadze device , according to kapanadze he uses no ferrite .
   

Answer: I simply Google'd  'Russian energy forums' and gave up some sleep reading :(
Aside from that the pic at the end of this post outline the working drawing of what I did.

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@minde4000

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Interesting thinking.
And why noone pays attention where (@Kapanadze demo video) Frolov is pointing finger at and the exect words he says? If just someone could reingeneer that device
from "gas" into "electric" ... in few pdfs that device HAS BEEN connected as analog to tesla transformer..

Minde

    Unfortunately for me Minde I have NO clue what it is being said in the video's as I do not understand the Georgian language. I have no idea who 'Frolov' is also. 
    Maybe not knowing what they are saying is a blessing in disguise? Anyhow could I trouble you for a screenshot/pic of Frolov pointing? Also could you help with a translation of the 'exact words'? 

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@CosmoLV
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you are right, I'm too not understand why nobody pay much attention on that. But anyway it is not so easy as looking (for the first time)
P.S. i don't know why but i feel that user "core" make this device done

    This goes back to my comment above. I do not know who 'Frolov' is nor what he is pointing to. What I do know is that out of all the people on many forums it appears that your words resonate with me. They have stimulated my thinking.

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@baroutologos
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Ok back to experimental talking... What exactly you have found out regarding SR's suggested experiment regarding 2 transformers?

I have conducted naturaly the same experiment as well few russian experimenters as far i remember. Personally i observed no added result.
What was your setup and how you observed an increase in bulb's brightness by the suggested one?

    The picture at the bottom of this post will show my final wiring set-up. I say final because it took a few attempts to get it right. What really increased the effect was tying the DC ground to AC ground. Also note I am not using 'Panel Ground' as found in an outlet. I drove a 6' x 3/8 galvanized threaded rod into the earth. I prefer to keep HV spikes away from my electronics.

     I conducted this experiment with my light bulb about 5' away. My amp probe about 3" from the bulb. When you first power the transformers you see the 60watt bulb glow dull. It is so dull that you can see the hot 'filament' inside the bulb just glowing. For a spark gap I used oil burner electrodes, I have these by the dozen. The porcelain around the electrode allows me to safely hold it in my hand. So after powering up the xfr I slowly move the electrode close to the terminal opposite ground (as in the drawing).

     Eventually you get to a point where you get a uniform arc striking the pole on the xfr. It is at this point that you see a 'burst' of light manifest itself in the bulb. Unfortunately I ran this test a bit unprepared. I did not record the data on paper I am simple going off memory. My 'amps' on start-up where about .25amps. Injecting the pulses increased lamp luminosity greatly but there was no change in amps. NOW TO BE CLEAR, this experiment must be repeated under a much more 'controlled environment'. Also please note that I am not and did not have a meter on my DC power supply to record amp draw.

    What did happen was this: A high voltage low current signal (square wave) was passed / injected with a low voltage sine wave. This appears to rather easily increase light output. Whats next for me? Well I somehow damaged my HV xfr so I need to order a few more. :( My next step will be to create a sine wave out of the high voltage and inject it with the low voltage.

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@CosmoLV
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The key in SR device is to magnetize and demagnetize ferrite without loses.
High voltage and high frequency make ferrite demagnetise - it makes from ferrite Black Matter who sucks all electromagnet power from wires. and in this way this is effective way to demagnetize.

   Now this is a kicker..... Prior to reading this I spent some time outdoors contemplating this challenge. I would like to share with everyone my thoughts at the time. Now my thoughts may not be 100% correct but they may be worth sharing with the group. I live in the 'woods' here in New York. Mother Nature is all around me. I see everything from bears, dear, groundhogs, trees,(many of them), and all types of bugs and birds. What they all have in common, including us, is a 'heartbeat' of life.

    So getting back on topic (kinda), we can give 'life' to an electromagnet by energizing it. Naturally we can remove life by de-energizing it. If we give it too much 'life' it gets greedy and consumes to much. Not enough 'life' it doesn't grow strong enough and dies. There is a point, in nanoseconds, where the magnetic field is at MAX or about to approach it. Feed any more it gets greedy. If I assist in collapsing this field it will violently return to an electric field in nanoseconds. Prior to 'starving' it I feed it again to let it grow. In essence I create a 'heartbeat' in the 'core' (no pun intended) of my device.   

   This was what I was thinking today then I read Cosmo's comment.

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@LtBolo
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However, the key question is how does a refrigeration system use a small amount of energy to extract or transfer a large amount of energy?

THIS IS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION!!!!!
I say this because something dawned on me. Back when I was a teacher (part-time) the above question was asked of me often. It is to this day difficult to answer without getting to technical. Getting too technical with an answer usually destroys the meaning.

    One term we need to know is: Specific Heat, that is the 'Amount of BTU's required to raise  1 pound of a substance 1 degree'. Everything in nature as I know it has a 'specific heat'.

    Lets say I have 10 pounds of water (water is a refrigerant) this water is at 60 degrees. To raise the water to 212 degrees F requires about: 1,620 BTU's.
 
   Now from 212 Degrees F liquid water to 212 Degrees steam will require an additional: 9,700 BTU's.
Do Not focus on the numbers. Whats important is that there is an enormous energy exchange when a fluid changes 'STATE' from liquid to Gas or 'solid' to 'liquid'.

  So for those interested in knowing the 'Sole function of an air conditioner is to create that 'change of state'.

This was a good question, it got me thinking. Is it possible that a 'change of state' for electricity is going from a 'Magnetic field' to an 'Electric field'? Is it possible that a massive energy exchange takes place in the process?

Comments always appreciated.

Respectfully,

Core

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3757 on: September 27, 2010, 02:57:33 AM »
The diagram.

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« Reply #3758 on: September 27, 2010, 03:04:01 AM »
Because the first two times was just not enough.

Respectfully,

Core

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« Reply #3759 on: September 27, 2010, 05:11:54 AM »
Based on the 'SR' 2 transformer experiment the image below is what I am after. In the experiment I used HV/DC ideally I want HV/AC low current. Timing the wave is key. If the timing is just right I bet I can create a 'magnetic impression' like a picture.

Like the picture below lets assume that is a sinusoidal AC wave form of 100 volts @ 10 amps the wattage out is 1000.
If, at the right time, I inject 1000 volts @ .5 amps its wattage is 500.

If I combine both in time the voltage should be 1100 x 10.5 = 11,550 watts?
If I pass this wave impression onto another coil that works a 2,000 watt load then I will have 9,550 watts left to play with.

Respectfully,

Core



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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3760 on: September 27, 2010, 05:59:31 AM »
Stop make a brawl :)

just make experiment:

Take ferrite rod OR rod from toroid's wrap around Tesla coil with isolated cable connect it through sparkgap, other end to ground
make second coil around it and apply DC or AC current to make electromagnet

Results:
When HV are in first coil and DC or AC on second coil, you will not get an electromagnet, but if you turn off HV then ferrite turns into electromagnet. (now you can try to synchronise it with sparkgap and play with sparkgap polarisation) it need to spark with little needles very steady and quiet

Try it with AC and DC
Tesla worked with AC and with rotary breaker he break signal in half way, but we can work using generator for it, like Emitter Follower. but for start it is great to do it with AC - you can take 9 to 15 volts - good for start.

just try - because we can do theories for all us life and get nothing ;)

and last: device are very simple, so simple than, nobody Kan make it - i think this is because everybody try to find something like Back EMF OR other Sh*t - that all stuff are absolutely stupid and there nothing to do with Free energy (i mean all Bedini devices and technology) forget it, there are no free energy and never had

Yet another great post that goes into my Cosmo file. I did not know that ferrite reacted in such a way.

Respectfully,

Core

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3761 on: September 27, 2010, 08:45:26 AM »
cosmoLV, thank you for all informations. You give importent details to concept. From your explenetion I understand that device is parametric resonancy. HV cause primary DC/AC coil to charge quickly and with very low energy. Then HV shut off and coil discharging with very high inductance and energy.

Is this concept correct? I will go try experiment on this.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3762 on: September 27, 2010, 01:39:12 PM »
The diagram.

Thanks core for the reply. Its pretty obvious from your diagram what you observed.
The two (2) transformers topology is able at drawing / giving a fixed amount of energy to the lamp. (dim) By applying the HV ala Tesla type to the second transformer output, it is evident the transformer works as a blocking inductor and the load is pulsed by capacitor's discharges and ringing.

Of course most of the energy that the HV circuit can provide is spent on the lamp, thus having a combined effect.

Verification
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Try observe how the lamp behaves when the HV-capacitor-Spark gap works on the lamp whereas the transformers are not working. Note that effect (white flashes inside the lamp and some brilliancy) Then combine it with lamp plainly driven by transformers.

With some experience and observation you can really say whether there is any gain at the setup.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3763 on: September 27, 2010, 01:47:52 PM »
Stop make a brawl :)

just make experiment:

Take ferrite rod OR rod from toroid's wrap around Tesla coil with isolated cable connect it through sparkgap, other end to ground
make second coil around it and apply DC or AC current to make electromagnet

Results:
When HV are in first coil and DC or AC on second coil, you will not get an electromagnet, but if you turn off HV then ferrite turns into electromagnet. (now you can try to synchronise it with sparkgap and play with sparkgap polarisation) it need to spark with little needles very steady and quiet

Try it with AC and DC
Tesla worked with AC and with rotary breaker he break signal in half way, but we can work using generator for it, like Emitter Follower. but for start it is great to do it with AC - you can take 9 to 15 volts - good for start.

just try - because we can do theories for all us life and get nothing ;)

and last: device are very simple, so simple than, nobody Kan make it - i think this is because everybody try to find something like Back EMF OR other Sh*t - that all stuff are absolutely stupid and there nothing to do with Free energy (i mean all Bedini devices and technology) forget it, there are no free energy and never had

Hey Cosmo! Your last sentences are wise my friend. I got expelled from energetic forum once for good because i rejected Bedini's machines as hype and non-fuctional. (fictional actially) So, only here i may post. Yea, i agree also, its time to have some experiment able to demonstrate a principle rather talking without end.

Regarding the simple experiment you suggest. Can you draw it?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #3764 on: September 27, 2010, 02:19:38 PM »
The diagram.

When accounting the energy spent in that setup there is no overall gain