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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16493031 times)

HeairBear

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #270 on: July 08, 2009, 02:11:47 AM »
LOL, maybe I misunderstood you...

That's just it, a transistor will never be fast and sharp enough to do the job. For a joule theif? Yes. For a Tesla coil or anything of the likes? No.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #271 on: July 08, 2009, 02:25:37 AM »

I just found the translation I was looking for
It is the part that says the lights are DC quite specifically, and from a georgian friend of xeno's, So, I guess he speaks the language. (I got to wonder after all.):

- Every lamp is 1 kWatt

Now he makes a voltage measurement at the water-pipe ! :

- 4 Volt or milliVolt
- Volt
- Alternative or direct current?
- Direct
- 6 Volt is shit

So, if the lights were DC lights (and the thickness of the wire also supports this possibility) what is being used as AC?

@jesus, I do hope it really is an AC device. I was discouraged by this translation.

I added the info to the quote.
The voltage reading was not related to the lights at all.
At 7:55 in the video you can see it for yourself. It was a camera cut from the lamps
right to the guys measuring the voltage at the water pipe.

So i am quite sure there is AC being produced at the end.
The patent even speaks about it as 1 phase, which would be obsolete information for DC
and even suggests the addition of more secondary coils for more phases.

So i hope you don´t worry anymore Jeanna ;)
Transistors are really inferior to spark gaps and they also never completely isolate
the circuit. However a fully solid state version of this should be attempted.
In Kapanadze`s latest version, the device is so small that i doubt he has HV-caps and spark gaps in there, but i might be wrong.

BTW : An interesting similar concept can be read about here : http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/parabifc.htm

I am running some simulations on the different circuit ideas and i stumbled across an inherent
conceptional mistake in the circuit that groundloop cleaned up (not his mistake of course but circuit designer´s)
The issue is, that for the N-type MOSFET to conduct it would need a control signal from the MOSFET controller. But this controller can logically only get a signal after the first current flows
in the secondary circuit. For this to happen the primary circuit would have to energize the coil, which won´t happen because the MOSFET is closed and "waits" for its control signal to open.
So the cat hunts her tail here.
Certainly this could be overcome by introducing an auxiliary circuit that kicks off the MOSFET one time and then let´s it run.
This error supports my feeling that this circuit was an early design idea and is far from the final version. If you have a look at Kapanadze´s 2nd video you can see a lot of circuitry in there on Printed circuit-boards. I am currently translating a russian document that has the most advanced
circuit design so far, indicating that the russians are significantly advanced in their replication efforts.
Stefan will like this, it adds to his statement that the earth is playing a role in the resonance as the earth ground is electrically connected to the core of the main transformer and the lamps (!)
In fact while translating it, it seems that the earth wire IS the only core in the main transformer
« Last Edit: July 08, 2009, 03:56:23 AM by xenomorphlabs »

jeanna

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« Reply #272 on: July 08, 2009, 02:36:41 AM »
Yes Heairbear,

My experience is with a joule thief with bifilar primary and 1 or 2 secondaries.
Off one secondary, I have lit a 7 watt fluoro tube for 6 hours and a 15 watt one for 5 1/4 hours. So, that is pretty good lighting for starting with a 1.2v rechargeable AA.

It is not the toaster, but it us a start, and using this design  with the secondary it produces very high frequency high voltage only milder.
It draws less amps from the battery with more load.
Many people are getting these results.

Now, if I can get 450 volts looking either like ac or very pulsed dc (I can get it both ways) from a 1.2 volt battery, what will I be able to do with a 12 volt?

I am personally not ready to try this.
If you or someone else more skilled than I wants to try, I will be gratefully watching.

thank you,

jeanna

edit,
@xeno,
Thanks, that looks hopeful.


HeairBear

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #273 on: July 08, 2009, 02:56:17 AM »
OH! I see what you are getting at, I think. It just so happens that I have a Wilby built JT circuit in my possesion he built for me to help me with replicating pirate's stuff. I think Wilby is experimenting with something similar to what you are describing. I don't know for sure though.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #274 on: July 08, 2009, 10:23:30 AM »
@Jeanna,
:D OH dear!
Do you like winding all your coils under oil?
jeanna

Coils are not wound in "OIL", :D   they are wound in "air" then if it is designed to run in an oil bath, it will either be placed in oil, or placed in a suitable container, then the oil will be poored in.
Take a look at the pole pigs. ;)

jim

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #275 on: July 08, 2009, 11:52:42 AM »
@ Pirate

Jim:
Would you mind posting your scope shots of your earth battery here showing the freq.?  If I remember correctly (which hardly ever happens) I think it was in the kHz range.

Thanks.

Bill
Well Bill, when I did this a couple of years ago, all I got was a sympathy of ground electrical noise all mixed up in wriggly lines, nothing was static but constantly changing.
What I realised, there are many and varied voltages and currents, I am not sufficiently knowledgeable to understand what is going on.

Just be aware, that 50Hz or 60Hz may/will show up as there is a lot of this stuff leaking into the ground.
 
Hmmmmm tell you what Bill, how about all of us take a scope outside, then poke the scope probes in the earth and record here what happens.

Maybe someone here could tell us what our cros are showing.

Lets see if there is any similarities with scope shots.
 

I have two oscillopes, a BWD511 (old as the hills) and a newer one DSE. Both are low bandwidth

see 1095.jpg = Both cro's, they both display identical outputs
They are measuring directly off my earth battery in the back yard.

Close ups of identical waveforms
1090.jpg  = BWD511 cro, screen shot
1092.jpg  = DSE cro, identical screen shot

Switch settings (older cro needs a bit of maintenance as the switch settings do not match but are close
1903.jpg = BWD switch setting
1904.jpg = DSE Switch setting

 0430.jpg I did when hmmmm a few months ago thats for sure, there is a difference.

jims Australian Earth Battery wave forms

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #276 on: July 08, 2009, 12:03:04 PM »
@xeno,
Good find with the 410 Hz.
In one of the Russian PDF files there was stated that it was using 400 Hz, so the 10 Hz difference could come from videoplayer or digitizer lag..

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #277 on: July 08, 2009, 12:32:34 PM »
Thought I would post a TWV I took on my mobile, it shows how the waveform from my earth battery  moves around, perhapse this will give people here some idea how electrical activity is moving in the earth.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #278 on: July 08, 2009, 01:58:47 PM »
Some things that i stumbled upon while studying patents and russian documents, that i want to share here:

The patent speaks of :
Quote
converts the independent energy  -received by the second bobbin from the air- to electric energy  .

So the energy is independent from the system (radiant?) and comes from the air rather than the earth?

And one key point to the interaction of the primary and secondary:

Quote
it stabilizes the difference between the magnetic flux of primary and secondary coils.

is that meaning phase differences mainly or flux amplitude differences?

Maybe the coil design tuning is not that important if the stabilizer is doing such magic?

If the earth resonance is playing a role, then it needs to be also noted that there is a controversy as to what the earth resonance frequency actually is.
Schumann  sais 7.83 Hz. , Tesla was more convinced it is 12 Hz and some Tesla enthusiasts
even believe that it might be 5000 Hz (because in Wardencliff Tesla operated his spark gap with 5000 interruptions per second).






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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #279 on: July 08, 2009, 02:01:47 PM »
Many thanks for the interesting scope waveforms.

If anybody has a digital scope where he can save the waveforms,
it would be nice to analyze the waveforms during the day and night
to see how the freqeuncies are changing and what frequencies are all included
inside the earth currents.
But it seems 50 (Europe) or 60 (America) Hz are the biggest amplitudes coming from the grid
error and back currents.

I wonder, why then the one document says, that 400 Hz are used ?
Maybe the LC circuit components are easier to resonate at 400 Hz instead of 50 Hz ?

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« Reply #280 on: July 08, 2009, 02:12:46 PM »
Here in this PDF file it is said,
that it is using 400 Hz:
http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/Gruz/index.pdf

Here is a part translated via automatic translator:


Here and all structure of installation.
Further there is a following – installation is connected to qualitative grounding (a network of cold water supply), include. Lamps then disconnect АКБ light up, and loading continues to eat the device in an independent mode. Duration of inclusion is not great, possibly, the inverter works in a limiting or other-wordly mode. In the course of demonstration gaugings of pressure and currents by the standard devices, which frequency of work to 400 Hz it at the best are made.
Connecting installation and quality of shooting details (see that have wanted) do not allow to make out lots of wires

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« Reply #281 on: July 08, 2009, 02:12:54 PM »
   If you go back to the older radios, we the people used 60/50 hz and
the military used .... yup 400hz. Got rid of the background hum problem
and far easier to clean up a weak signal.

thay

edit:  Looks that they have went to standard 60 hz now. Just checked a
milspec site.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #282 on: July 08, 2009, 05:11:35 PM »
Since i first saw the coils of Kapanadze, i had the feeling that there is more than just a primary and secondary winding on there. Have a look at the pic. It looks as if the blue taped part is an extra (sense ?) coil. It seems also far too thick for a tesla secondary (looks like 1mm).
Or he did a super sluggish job at isolating it  ;D
EDIT: On other pics the right side of it seems to have the same wire size.
So maybe its really one coil, but for some (maybe good) reason he decided to put more wire onto
the edges than in the middle ?!

What do you think ?
About the 400 Hz, wasn´t it in the MEG that they operated at a 4 times higher frequency than the resonance frequency? I remember there was something like that. (still would not get to 50 but 100 Hz).

It could also be that the 400 Hz i measured are just extremely loud upper harmonics of the fundamental of 50 Hz which this bad camera certainly wasn´t able to record if it was audible on the scene.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2009, 05:55:24 PM by xenomorphlabs »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #283 on: July 08, 2009, 06:17:42 PM »
Well as far as i see it, this energy from the vaccum interacts with everything even the universe like a catalyst, this hungarian guy whos friend who posted here is that close but then it is like the avalanch (pressure) which draws this and if you read donalds work then you understand and like the bedini stuff well whoever experimented with that well will have an idea that this hungarian guy needs to see and of course it is the prinicple really, if you see it in sound regarding sonic and with its 'pressure build up' then well yea.

Regarding 3 space with ufos with its 3 whatever at the bottom and also the 3 colours green red and blue etc,etc, and 3 coils..hmm not suprised and also the 3 magic frequencys of the tpu, here the music? :P.

Like electrons positive neutrino and negative.

Anyways keep shareing results and compare i am loving it.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2009, 07:10:54 PM by lltfdaniel1 »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #284 on: July 08, 2009, 07:24:33 PM »
I am running some simulations on the different circuit ideas and i stumbled across an inherent
conceptional mistake in the circuit that groundloop cleaned up (not his mistake of course but circuit designer´s)
The issue is, that for the N-type MOSFET to conduct it would need a control signal from the MOSFET controller. But this controller can logically only get a signal after the first current flows
in the secondary circuit. For this to happen the primary circuit would have to energize the coil, which won´t happen because the MOSFET is closed and "waits" for its control signal to open.
So the cat hunts her tail here.
Certainly this could be overcome by introducing an auxiliary circuit that kicks off the MOSFET one time and then let´s it run.
This error supports my feeling that this circuit was an early design idea and is far from the final version. If you have a look at Kapanadze´s 2nd video you can see a lot of circuitry in there on Printed circuit-boards. I am currently translating a russian document that has the most advanced
circuit design so far, indicating that the russians are significantly advanced in their replication efforts.

Just because a simulation shows it can't work does not mean the diagram is wrong or drawn incorrectly. More times than not, a free energy device is presented and a trained EE will examine it only to say it can't work in it's current configuration and they start to change it from the original. Always build it as drawn and prove beyond a doubt to yourself it wont work before changing anything. I see many people on this forum who use substitutions and get no results and call it debunked. Is it possible to make a Tesla coil work in a simulation?