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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13673904 times)

Offline stivep

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22365 on: March 03, 2016, 04:19:33 AM »
You have got it  right


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22366 on: March 03, 2016, 07:10:24 AM »
How much DC power produced will depend upon
how close the circuit is to a commercial AM
broadcast station or stations.
On your Free Electricity Out of Thin Air circuit references I think the followings: Yes they work and are able to produce some uW or mW output power, depending on the antenna lenght and location. The received energy comes from radio (AM and FM) and / or television broadcast or mobile phone central stations and from any appliance that creates so called "electric smog" like a plasma globe/bulb etc.

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I do not consider these circuits to be free energy circuits.

Then could you perhaps kindly explain to the readers why that energy CANNOT come from the Earth's electric field, or some other natural electric field? In that case it would be free energy indeed.

It is exactly this conventional thinking that leads to nothing on the search for Tesla's, Moray's, Kapanadze's, Stepanov's principle of work.

This circuit is the same like you feed a parallel LC circuit from a signal generator via a coupling capacitor at the resonant LC frequency: this does not load the output of the generator. The scope at the output will surely measure the stepped down voltage across the coupling coil as you show in the drawing. So there is magnetic field in the core of the transformer, no problem.

Nice to read that there is »no problem« with that. A magnetic field (for free) that does not load the generator (the power source). We now just need a method to get a stronger magnetic field.


Well, sorry but I do not know the basic principle, I wish I knew, then I would inform you or anyone else on this forum. I can agree with your guess as it is ionization.

Then maybe we should exercise more what is called »thinking outside of the box«. We will never find the basic principle inside of the box.

Sorry but I am not good at chemistry.

Could be easily that this is the missing link. As you can read at The cosmic start of lightning: »Even though lightning is a common phenomenon, the exact mechanism triggering a lightning discharge remains elusive«.

So not even science seems to know for sure how lightning (means high voltage, sparks, ionization) works and what it can cause. Therefore ...

My answers may sound to you as if I want you to walk a new round in the labyrinth again...  but I hope you understand this is not my intention.

... I'm surely not going to walk a new round in the labyrinth, because I think I'm very close to the exit already (if there is one at all). But if anyone wishes to take a new round through the labyrinth then I will not withhold them. Have fun. ;D

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22367 on: March 03, 2016, 10:34:37 AM »

Then maybe we should exercise more what is called »thinking outside of the box«. We will never find the basic principle inside of the box.


The problem for you at the moment is that you are jumping out of your box into some other peoples boxes.  ;)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22368 on: March 03, 2016, 08:10:15 PM »
And those boxes could explode like an atomic bomb. If you never hear from me again then maybe that explosion blew me out of the labyrinth successfully. Don't know yet. :o

Hopefully ...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22369 on: March 03, 2016, 10:28:48 PM »
Then could you perhaps kindly explain to the readers why that energy CANNOT come from the Earth's electric field, or some other natural electric field? In that case it would be free energy indeed. 

Hi Zeitmaschine,

Imagine that all the radio, tv and any other RF, HF transmitter could be switched off at a given moment in every country and you would be left with an enviroment fully free from any man-made EM sources. Do you think that the circuit shown in the video you gave a link ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYYysBEwA6w ) would still produce the shown 13 V or so DC output?

My answer is no, the meter would read zero because the electric 'noise' or static noise (not man-made) always present in the air has so small amplitude the rectifier diodes used in that circuit simply cannot detect. When a stormy weather is coming the electric 'activity' in the air increases and the overall electric 'noise' amplitude increases manyfold, (ionization), the diodes with their 0.6 V (Si) or 0.1 V (Ge) thresholds will be able to detect them and steer them into those capacitors.

There are radiations coming from space of course like from quasars, stars, suns etc but it is extremely unlikely that these radiations could be detected with the diode types used in those schematics. You need to devise a totaly new method to capture such radiations efficiently, you need to know the frequency ranges involved (xray, visible light etc).


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This circuit is the same like you feed a parallel LC circuit from a signal generator via a coupling capacitor at the resonant LC frequency: this does not load the output of the generator. The scope at the output will surely measure the stepped down voltage across the coupling coil as you show in the drawing. So there is magnetic field in the core of the transformer, no problem. 

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Nice to read that there is »no problem« with that. A magnetic field (for free) that does not load the generator (the power source). We now just need a method to get a stronger magnetic field.

Remember, you used your oscilloscope to see the induced voltage across the coil coupled to the parallel LC resonant tank circuit, so you had only the high impedance probe as the load, this did not reflect back to the source. Just try to apply useful loads instead of the scope probe and see what happens in that setup. On "no problem" I meant again that your shown setup was explainable again by normal science (unfortunately), and whenever something is explainable by known science it involves conversation of energy in most (but not all) cases.

I am pleased you think you are very close to the exit of the labyrinth, please keep it up.

Greetings,  Gyula

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22370 on: March 03, 2016, 11:07:57 PM »
Hi Zeitmaschine,

Imagine that all the radio, tv and any other RF, HF transmitter could be switched off at a given moment in every country and you would be left with an enviroment fully free from any man-made EM sources. Do you think that the circuit shown in the video you gave a link ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYYysBEwA6w ) would still produce the shown 13 V or so DC output?

My answer is no, the meter would read zero because the electric 'noise' or static noise (not man-made) always present in the air has so small amplitude the rectifier diodes used in that circuit simply cannot detect. When a stormy weather is coming the electric 'activity' in the air increases and the overall electric 'noise' amplitude increases manyfold, (ionization), the diodes with their 0.6 V (Si) or 0.1 V (Ge) thresholds will be able to detect them and steer them into those capacitors.

There are radiations coming from space of course like from quasars, stars, suns etc but it is extremely unlikely that these radiations could be detected with the diode types used in those schematics. You need to devise a totaly new method to capture such radiations efficiently, you need to know the frequency ranges involved (xray, visible light etc).


  gyulasun wrote: 
Zeitmaschine answered:
Remember, you used your oscilloscope to see the induced voltage across the coil coupled to the parallel LC resonant tank circuit, so you had only the high impedance probe as the load, this did not reflect back to the source. Just try to apply useful loads instead of the scope probe and see what happens in that setup. On "no problem" I meant again that your shown setup was explainable again by normal science (unfortunately), and whenever something is explainable by known science it involves conversation of energy in most (but not all) cases.

I am pleased you think you are very close to the exit of the labyrinth, please keep it up.
Greetings,  Gyula

@gyulasun

You never really know. It could produce more with zero man-made "interference" leaving the device to fully respond to the Earth rhythm or Shewman frequency that would then be perfectly attuned to a single real "Earth pulse", rather then being bombarded by so many other influences that are more probably causing a high degree of internal cancellation. As you can see how the diodes are arranged to work in additive mode via any input coming in regardless of the off phase nature of such inputs, but it could still cause a great deal of cancellation. Obviously such radiant circuits have to deal with the complete influences and so we have to realize that those influences are not all additive but also "subtractive" and hence what we see as final output is the basic end result of a major tug or war.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22371 on: March 03, 2016, 11:24:26 PM »
My answer is no, the meter would read zero because the electric 'noise' or static noise (not man-made) always present in the air has so small amplitude the rectifier diodes used in that circuit simply cannot detect. When a stormy weather is coming the electric 'activity' in the air increases

This website gives me a value of the Earth's electric field of 100 to 150 volts per meter on a sunny day and 15 to 20 KV (!) per meter on a stormy day. Then why should an antenna not be able to catch that electricity? What's wrong? Maybe we should omit the small capacitors (shorting it).

Remember, you used your oscilloscope to see the induced voltage across the coil coupled to the parallel LC resonant tank circuit, so you had only the high impedance probe as the load, this did not reflect back to the source.

The LC circuit is the load. If it would not dissipate energy then it would oscillate forever. We have hence a load and a power source that not cares about that load. That's good (for a start).

I am pleased you think you are very close to the exit of the labyrinth, please keep it up.

At least I think I'm close to the end-wall of the labyrinth. Now I'm looking for the exit. If I can't find it, then I'm stuck and have to call a rescue team since there is no point in going back into the labyrinth again. :(

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22372 on: March 04, 2016, 01:00:04 AM »
This website gives me a value of the Earth's electric field of 100 to 150 volts per meter on a sunny day and 15 to 20 KV (!) per meter on a stormy day. Then why should an antenna not be able to catch that electricity? What's wrong? Maybe we should omit the small capacitors (shorting it).

Yes, I am aware of that V/m field values.  Trying to exploit atmospheric electricity (voltage source) involves high risk: the possibility of lightning strikes because you would need to use long and highly elevated conductors. Collecting high voltage would be a must because that would be the only way to increase the output power from such 'tapping the air' setups. This is because unfortunately the output current is very low by default due to the very high inner resistance of such voltage sources (air is basically an insulator up to a known breakdown voltage of course).
There are old patents on tapping the atmospheric electricity, using kites or ballons for pulling up and holding long wires in air, preferably spanned horizontally too, to achive conductor layers one above the other. If such setups can indeed provide useful amount of power, that would indeed be free. However, safety first, there is high risk of lightning strikes alongside the downcoming wires, depending on also the geographical locations.

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The LC circuit is the load. If it would not dissipate energy then it would oscillate forever. We have hence a load and a power source that not cares about that load. That's good (for a start).

Yes it would be good for a start. If you still have that parallel LC tank setup at 50 Hz, and will have some time, please try to load the output coil with a just some Watt power lamp and see whether the DC input of the inverter starts changing or not when you can see a lamp is just bright (not LED lamp but a 12V, some Watt power lamp).  You will have correct answer then.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22373 on: March 04, 2016, 08:40:25 AM »
If such setups can indeed provide useful amount of power, that would indeed be free. However, safety first

That's a step forward. If we discard safety then we have free energy. :)

please try to load the output coil with a just some Watt power lamp and see whether the DC input of the inverter starts changing or not

I prefer the other way round: First we need a measurable ground current, then we can connect a load to the system. The ground current is the key to free electric energy. Looks like the main component we need for this is a 3-phase transformer in some special configuration - at least for a start.

Electric current is a measure of the flow of charged particles past some point.

Yes, OK. But I can find still no answer to my question where the charges of theses particles are initially coming from. Space is the best explanation so far.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22374 on: March 04, 2016, 09:51:54 AM »

I prefer the other way round: First we need a measurable ground current, then we can connect a load to the system. The ground current is the key to free electric energy. Looks like the main component we need for this is a 3-phase transformer in some special configuration - at least for a start.


How much ground current do you reckon would be needed to run Kapanadze's 2KW electric fire?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22375 on: March 04, 2016, 12:52:24 PM »
9 amps. We need therefore a magnetic field of a strength that can attract electrons from ground worth 9 amps.

Stepanov's clamp meter shows 8.2 amps, thus it works at the same level of »impossibility«.

But is it? 9 amps ground current at what ground voltage? Zero? Then 0 times 9 amps equals 0 power?

In a LC circuit the current is highest at voltage zero crossing. The stored energy nevertheless oscillates between L and C till it dissipates because of R. Interesting, isn't it?

We need all from nothing. Can't be that difficult. ::)

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« Reply #22376 on: March 04, 2016, 01:18:22 PM »

But is it? 9 amps ground current at what ground voltage? Zero? Then 0 times 9 amps equals 0 power?


Let us know if you find out.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22377 on: March 04, 2016, 02:48:50 PM »


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Quote from: SeaMonkey on March 02, 2016, 11:49:09 PM
How much DC power produced will depend upon
how close the circuit is to a commercial AM
broadcast station or stations.


the answer is: there is no DC
=... ZERO........... if there is  no rectification there is  no DC.



Transmitter and receiver  relation is  explained by Near Field   and Far Field  principals.
Antenna transmitter(TX) and antenna receiver(RX) relation is explained
by SWR principals  related directly to  physical length of the  wire  corresponding to    frequency  of the transmitter.
( another words :   physical length TX antenna must!!  be  giving   SWR  of value  1:1
 !!! or close to that in  the  {path TX output} { transmission  line e.g coax}  {and antenna}.
   (SWR= or< 1:1.5 is still not so bad)  [/size]
Typically but not  always  50 Ohm is  the standard for impedances in this path.
50 Ohm is a compromise value  between the best  transmitting and the best receiving  matching impedance  ot one single antenna that  must be  build for Transceiver ( tx and rx in one - known as  walkie talkie  )

http://diydrones.com/profiles/blog/show?id=705844%3ABlogPost%3A1611361&commentId=705844%3AComment%3A1614634&xg_source=activity



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Then why should an antenna not be able to catch that electricity? What's wrong? Maybe we should omit the small capacitors (shorting it).
Antenna must first resonate
- by that  we understand that  the  diameter of  an antenna must match  wavelength of electromagnetic wave of interest)
light is  electromagnetic wave (EM) too. Antenna can represent  quarter of the  wave length  of EM .
Antenna can be shortened  by adding coils so than the  length  of the coils adds  to overall physical  length and antenna still looks small.
However  the parameters  causing antenna length  matching wavelength  of the  EM , are related not to  length of the coils wire but  to electrical properties  of that "extending electrical length  coil"
- namely   coil reactive components :
 capacitive reactance and inductive reactance  of that "extender"


Dielectric material   can interact with electromagnetic wave ,( focusing light lenses)
So now if the wavelength  of the wave  is as small as  visible light , we can measure  length of  one single photon ( = one period)
 we would not be   able to build antenna of 1500nm for that particular frequency of light .
So now we are dealing with resonant  properties of spacial geometry.


To  understand    why it is nice and warm   in the sunny day  we need to know that photon. (any photon)    if it resonates with something  on its own path  it gives up energy,
and that energy most likely will be converted to heat.
The higher is  the wavelength  of  the photon  in the  an antenna or material acting as an antenna   the higher is  the energy  one single period.
The more heat is  than deposited on the resonating antenna.
So in sunny day  everything resonates  by absorbing heat from the sun and converting it to heat


The reason  EM of  ultraviolet light  is dangerous   is easy to explain:
Once we know that the  higher  is the frequency of the EM the  higher is the  energy of one single  period ,(= 1 photon)
Than  we have area where saturation of photons of given frequency ( wavelengths ) per  square  ruth value (= square area  or  x,y dimensions    )  is our body.
And our body  is simply not prepared to  handle this kind of heat per square  unit of measure in x/y dimension
Our receptors might not feel ( receive) information  that than will activate protective   mechanisms preventing overheating of our body cells and/ or creating  interaction  not properly handled


the reason I got bad  in my health  right after Lithuania Experiment and Colman Experiment is  most likely activity of photons of waves in the  wavelength shorter  than UV
And these  would be:
- X-ray
-Gamma


With the last two EM ( electromagnetic waves)
gamma is the "strongest  one" - ( gush I do not like the   wording  I used to describe it it.
It is  explanation  in the format directed to Idiots.)


The wavelength  of  X-rays is usually  written   in  eV ( electronVolts) however could be  expressed in  physical length  of 1 period or in  Hz.
It is just the matter of convenience.
In that  convenience we point fact that the main factor of that short EM is its energy and possibly interaction of that  energy (per period) with the matter.
 



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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22378 on: March 05, 2016, 06:30:04 PM »
How does St. Elmo's fire work?

It takes energy from the air and dissipates it continuously in form of light. Neither resonance nor even a metallic antenna is needed.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22379 on: March 06, 2016, 12:38:54 PM »
http://www.ktvn.com/story/31260413/13-year-old-creates-energy-harvesting-device

Maybe a 13-year-old kid is smarter than all of us who are seven years that we do not find the 'overunity

Leo48

 

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