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Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22320 on: February 28, 2016, 11:40:28 AM »
Then later on in the video, spot TK's security guys in the garden below the balcony. The signs of team effort to stage the illusion are all over his videos.

Kapanadze pays a bunch of security guys in order to conduct his fakes. Undoubtedly. :o

I see no progress of any kind in any threads here or else where

I do see progress - the progress consists of ruling out wrong assumptions. I have already ruled out a lot of things, like spark gaps or self-made air core coils and other nonsense.

Let's close this thread until and if more info comes to light.

Maybe we should open a new thread and forbid all talking about fakes except one can prove it? 8)

it is impossible to defeat conservation laws,its a guaranteed failure.

I have already »defeated« it. :) Unfortunately not to an useful degree. :(

The experiment

Take a 220V high voltage transformer. Connect the primary coil through a 220V sine wave inverter to a 12V battery. Put an ammeter in the 12V line. That ammeter now shows the idle current (the idle power consumption) of the inverter and the transformer. Since the ammeter is connected galvanically to DC it can't be fooled.

Now connect one side of the secondary coil to a wire (antenna) and the other side to a conductive object. What does the ammeter show? It will still show the same idle current as before. There is still no current going through the open secondary coil, hence there is no additional power consumption, hence there is no additional strain on the 12V battery. Since the ammeter shows no measurable increase in current, any effect of the capacitor (antenna / conductive object) at 50Hz pure sine wave can be disregarded.

Next, we leave a gap between the metal object and the high voltage wire. What happens? Suddenly sparking occurs between the wire and the metal, means there is a current going through the spark gap. At the same time the ammeter shows a slight increase of current. Why is that so? Is that so, because that high voltage sparking dissipates energy and that energy has to come from somewhere, namely from the battery? What if this assumption is just a plain conceptual error?

That sparking creates radio waves. These radio waves are absorbed by the antenna, so the electric high voltage circuit closes somewhat, therefore we see the current slightly increase in the 12V line while sparking.

But interestingly, the first spark has to come ahead of the first radio wave - the spark causes the radio wave. But if so, then where is the energy coming from that creates that first spark?

Only possible answer: The energy that generates that spark is coming straight out of space itself!

Further considerations

Which main parameter is responsible for the strength of the spark? It is the voltage. The higher the voltage the larger the spark. How do we get more voltage? We use simply a secondary coil with a larger number of windings. But since that secondary coil does not form a closed electric circuit, the primary coil can't »see« that secondary coil (no Lenz's law), hence the idle current of that transformer stays the same as before, nevertheless we get a more powerful spark because of the higher voltage.

Another method to get larger sparks would be to use a square wave or sharp pulses instead of a sine wave.

The problem now is how to get this energy to do something useful instead of dissipating it between the points of a spark gap? Only possible answer: We keep the ionization but get rid of the sparking, because that sparking actually short circuits the energy coming from space. It is the same as if we would take a car battery and then we would short circuit the poles in order to draw funny sparks and at the same time we would say, look at that battery, it can't provide any useful energy!

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« Reply #22321 on: February 28, 2016, 12:11:27 PM »

Maybe we should open a new thread and forbid all talking about fakes except one can prove it? 8)


But you would miss all the banter and get lonely.  ;)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22322 on: February 28, 2016, 08:18:55 PM »
Zeitmachine...

Wesley did visit Tariel Kapanadze and he is a drunk and very poor man as he is in Georgia which is a

very poor ex- Soviet state.. very poor by western standards..

And his units where built by a Swiss investment group  and Kapanadze  did get money from them , there was a

problem as he wanted more money for his family. His units work and generate power and your understanding

is that of a classical electronics and standard material science you and others here have no hope of

duplicating the this effect..

Dissecting fuzzy videos is waste.. as is Kapanadze (fake) formulations... waste...

Trying to understand the modern car by some 1800's engineering is also a waste of time..

Suggestion is that all the videos  for the last ten years about the Kapanadze "effect" be taken in to

consideration and there have been many duplication(s).

Do a study of the common sub- parts, materials purity, patents, and people who have made the duplication.

This effect is has to be dissected by small bites like a criminal organization..

Acca..


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22323 on: February 28, 2016, 09:40:25 PM »
No hope of duplicating the Kapanadze effect?  :(

Then you are saying that all alleged Kapanadze replications are most likely fake, because why of all things should those replicators have the understanding and the science for a successful replication but no one in this forum?

What about the Stepanov device? Any hope? I can see just classical electronics and standard material science here.

Anyway psychologically interesting: Some people try to convince all urgently that Kapanadze is fake, now others say Kapanadze is real but at the same time they try to convince that there is no hope of successful replication.

Strange things are going on ...

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« Reply #22324 on: February 28, 2016, 10:01:25 PM »

Anyway psychologically interesting: Some people try to convince all urgently that Kapanadze is fake, now others say Kapanadze is real but at the same time they try to convince that there is no hope of successful replication.

Strange things are going on ...

Indeed its strange with all opinions based on no hard facts. Even if it was true that Kapanadze sold to the Swiss, it proves nothing because curiosity alone would have attracted buyers willing to spend good money just to examine the device in their labs, with the intention to replicate. It does not automatically follow that the Swiss were successful in getting the device to run OU.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22325 on: February 28, 2016, 10:14:54 PM »
Indeed its strange with all opinions based on no hard facts. Even if it was true that Kapanadze sold to the Swiss, it proves nothing because curiosity alone would have attracted buyers willing to spend good money just to examine the device in their labs, with the intention to replicate. It does not automatically follow that the Swiss were successful in getting the device to run OU.

1489 pages and for all anyone knows the first clips were accomplished by him simply burying an extension cord in his back yard.  I figure if you did that in the early Spring then by early Summer the grass and surrounding ground wouldn't show the slightest trace of the buried cable.

Itsu does these remarkable replications and makes great measurements and documents himself fantastically and all that you see is transformer-type circuits doing exactly what transformer circuits are supposed to do, no more, no less.

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« Reply #22326 on: February 29, 2016, 12:39:32 AM »
Hi Zeitmaschine,

I would like to comment your Reply #22320 above. I modified your schematic by including two "invisible" capacitors, the one at the spark gap when you create the spark gap in the experiment and the the other is the capacitance of the antenna wire with respect to the ground, always present once the antenna is built,  its approximated value can be calculated by the Grover formula, see this page http://www.pulsedpower.eu/toolbox/toolbox_capacitances.html and go down to the middle where the capacitance of a horizontal "thin wire of finite length"  above the ground is shown. For instance, say a l=300 cm long piece of wire with say r=1mm radius and at a height of say h=500cm, the capacitance comes as 1596 pF.
The capacitance of the spark gap can be a few picoFarad, depending on structural / constructional details.

When you create the spark gap, I think the two capacitors I indicated in the drawing constitute a HV voltage divider and even the divided voltage across the gap is surely enough to fire a spark, once you experience it in the test. I think this is important to accept or debate because this can answer your question: where the energy comes from when the gap fires?
If you debate this voltage divider action, please consider the following: for capacitive dividers the input voltage is split differently than it is for resistor voltage dividers. The capacitors are not equal, and the smaller value capacitor (represented by the spark gap) will have much higher voltage across it than the higher value capacitor (represented by the capacitance of the antenna wire).

Suppose you have a HV of 2500 V 50 Hz across the secondary transformer coil (a MOV transformer), this feeds the 1596 pF capacitor from my wire antenna example, with which the spark gap capacitance of say 5 pF is in series, both capacitors are fed against the ground from the secondary coil. From this link on capacitive voltage divider calculator http://www.globalspec.com/calculators/ac-voltage-divider I got 2492 V across the 5 pF (spark gap) capacitor and 8 V across the 1596 pF antenna wire capacitor (the calculator works with capacitive reactance values you need to know for the 50 Hz operating frequency).
When you have had no spark gap created at the bottom of the HV coil end, the antenna wire obviously received the full 2500 V secondary coil voltage but no spark could develop because of the distance or height of the wire from the ground.

There is one more thing to consider: when the created spark gap fires, this spark excites a lossy LC circuit (secondary coil and the antenna wire capacitor constitute a tank circuit when the gap conducts) at their resonant frequency and then this oscillation dissipates in the coil and in the ground and energy is lost, then the secondary receives new input from the 220 V primary side and this explains why the DC ammpermeter shows a slightly higher current draw right at the occurence of the spark,  (in fact the secondary coil receives energy continuously if you let it run like your schematic shows) and the spark gap can fire again.
I think this is the operating mechanism and I do not think the spark gap energy comes from space but it is received from the primary coil input, be it the very first spark or any other later on. Can you agree with this (after considering my comments)?   8)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22327 on: February 29, 2016, 04:17:21 AM »
Almost 12 year,fake ye?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22328 on: February 29, 2016, 03:00:24 PM »
I think this is the operating mechanism and I do not think the spark gap energy comes from space but it is received from the primary coil input, be it the very first spark or any other later on. Can you agree with this (after considering my comments)?   8)

First: Actually I would rather agree that it is (recently) extremely noticeable that some people here combine there efforts to put this thread back into circles. At first all Kapanadze devices have to be fake without the slightest proof, all fake claims made up out of thin air. Then one comes along says Kapanadze is real indeed but he uses non-standard materials therefore no hope of replication (but then, why must Kapanadze hide his device which he says is simple?). On the other thread »Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY« it works vise versa. Here it has been proven a long time ago that the Dally and the Ruslan devices are fake all together (certainty is 99.9%) but nevertheless some people keep writing page after page (833 currently) about high-end electronics just to keep readers busy with highly complex diagrams which for sure will never work. Now the next comes and try to convince me that my conclusions according to my experiments are wrong.

I got 2492 V across the 5 pF (spark gap) capacitor and 8 V across the 1596 pF antenna wire capacitor

Second: I never called the voltage into question. One end of the wire of the secondary high voltage coil has either a lack of electrons (positive) or a surplus of electrons (negative) whereas the ground itself stays neutral (regular count of electrons). Hence sure there is high voltage (difference in electron count) across the spark gap. Without there would be no spark. The question here is what does that ionization (due to high voltage) cause?

What I call into question (after doing additional measurements) is the capacitance you calculated. The antenna is stretched out on one side of the room, the conductive object (without grounding!) is placed on a wooden table. Thus the capacitance should be almost zero, not even near of 1.596 nF. Nevertheless it sparks.

As I see this, ionization causes free (liberated) electrons, Wikipedia corona discharge. Since we have now free electrons, for me that means, those electrons are free to move without resistance (not like the resistance encountered in a wire), and since electrons carry a negative charge, we have now a free negative charge to play around with. And I think further that this (now separated) negative charge is the (free) energy coming from space. (Or what else could cause - or is - the negative charge an electron has?)

Maybe my understanding of physics is a bit strange, but it has to be that way in order to get on with this stuff. ;D

Applying regular textbook physics will lead to nothing.

The water pipe metaphor: We have a closed circular water pipe. There is water in it, that's the electrons. On one side there is a pump, it pumps the water. On the opposite side there is a water wheel. So the energy supplied to the pump is simply transferred to the water wheel by means of the water. But wouldn't it be much better to put the water wheel under a waterfall so the wheel keeps running without the need of supplying energy to a pump? Here the water free to fall equals the electrons free to move.

Of course - as I mentioned above - we do not need a spark, a spark is counter-productive (self-defeating). We just need ionization. So what does your calculation say about the experiment without the spark but just ionization?

What happens if we take both ends of the high voltage coil and bring them in close proximity to each other (creating a spark gap)? Heavy sparking occurs. Why? Because the high voltage ionizes the air, thus frees electrons, these electrons then causing a small (free) spark between the electrodes of the spark gap. That small spark then closes the high voltage circuit directly, hence a large current flows through the circuit, causing a magnetic field in the transformer, thus putting load on the power supply (and blowing the fuse).

In this experiment we can see that odd behavior without blowing a fuse. Pure voltage causes ionization and thus free electrons, these electrons then create a kind of short circuit which manifests itself in shape of a huge plasma bolt.

Maybe you could calculate that effect too. What happens to the free electrons? Are they going to be part of the overall current? So those negatively charged electrons add (free) energy to the circuit?

Here an image from Guntis, what does this image try to tell us? Any ideas?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22329 on: February 29, 2016, 04:54:50 PM »
What happens to the free electrons? Are they going to be part of the overall current? So those negatively charged electrons add (free) energy to the circuit?

What enough to run a 2KW electric fire!! What are the free electrons adding too when there was nothing there to start with. You saw the aqua2 video, apparently showing the device with no power supply. Let's at least start this next circle of discussion on a feasible theory.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #22330 on: March 01, 2016, 03:44:42 AM »
It is important  to also have sceptical  view at things around.
I was working  on my letter to chat of Overunity Group with  T-1000  Arunas and  few important researchers in it.


So that  what is  below is  "some light" although it is  mostly sceptical it is also  look at the other side of the truth,.
So please understand this is just  opinion expressed and does not necessarily falls into  the universal reality  criteria


  Guys.  Be realistic.  Mechanism of FE must stand on classical physics and do not violate  laws of thermodynamics.
We might have new approach to classical physics if we find something that does not  match. And I believe it is possible.
So from that point - the new updated model( as physics is based on comfortable models) will become  classical example of that new physics
Model has nothing to do with the truth.
Model is just accepted truth
Model is also  supported by number of papers that are based on it.
By that  plenty of guys  may lose a lot or may  have need to  correct their papers according to new  and emerging model.


 Eric Dollard is the nice guy however  I spoke to Dr. Peter Lindemann
 Based on his opinion Eric is kind of weirdo who could be   rich and known as he has  very well collected  potential for it , but he chosen  not to.




 I Wesley  and my friend  Roy  we have problems with Eric Dollard.as well 
He also seemed to have been a big proponent of "Orgone Energy", that some forms of RF are inherently biological in origin and if they can be focused correctly they would heal the sick.  Wilhelm Reich was a well respected Psychiatrist before he fell down that rabbit hole.
It goes to show that educational credentials alone do not ensure that an unproven technology is inherently valid. 
Even the massive monetary investment into an unproven idea does not validate it.
Our economic history is littered by men that have risked their fortunes on possibilities that can never be realized. 
A concept should not be validated either by the number of common thugs or politicians (is there that much of a difference sometimes<g>) that can be enticed enough to threaten the researchers for the perceived value of their imminent discovery.
Science has shown that theories must lead to experiments that can be repeated by other less enthusiastic researchers.
Cold fusion had PhD's making claims and investors available to give their money. 
Unfortunately it all fell apart when reproducing the experiment became a problem - the underlying concept was completely flawed.
I also agree with doubts  regarding transmutation of elements.
The energy required to rip a nucleus or a proton out of an atom is enormous, especially considering using electromagnetic waves. 
The photons of RF can at best produce increased heat.  You require photons at least at the far ultra-violet range to even knock a valence electron out of it's outer most shell and ionize it. 
The energy required to do that to a nuclear subatomic particle would be enormously greater.
You would have a much better chance cleaving a 6 foot thick steel wall with a "spit ball" projected from six feet away -
here children regularly tear up pieces of a straw's cover, add a little spit, roll them into balls and use them as little blow guns).
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Title:
"some amazing Eric Dollard experiments proving Tesla's work that they did at Borderland labs  involved Eric Dollard, Peter Lindemann & Tom Brown"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFa-IymyWHM


Peter decided  along with  Bedini and Aaron Murakami  to make some money.
So they created 
Energy Science & Technology Conference .1520 W Wyoming Ave, Hayden, ID 83835 with cost of $400 for entry.
Peter sales his “books” out from his website:http://free-energy.ws/peter-lindemann/
He works at  inventing motors.




Aaron Murakami: I spoke to him in 2011.
He said that Eric is now living out of his car out in the Mojave Desert The Mojave Desert is a rain-shadow, mostly high desert area,
that occupies a significant portion of southeastern California and smaller parts of central California, southern Nevada, southwestern Utah
 and northwestern Arizona in the United States. 
Aaron ( supposedly )was  unemployed  who  have learn how to use benefits to  have good life out of it.


John Bedini  with his Bedini  motors never fly  at all.

All of this group is commercially oriented  and the only guy who is kind of less dependent but depends of that created by  mentioned  fellows structure
 is Eric Dollard
We see Eric as the guy whose  name was lifted by the group and  advertized  for one single reason. Make him an icon and benefit on it.
So it is  very much important to them , as well as it gives some  comfort ( not that much)to Eric ,being an Icon.



My friend in science  Roy wrote me a letter . He is  skeptic so  we need such guys as we tend to  speed up in given direction and  Roy is giving us correctional triangulation.                                               


Peter Lindemann :                           ..                                                                                                                                                                                                     
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Roy letter:                                                                                             
Dollard, Carson and Lindemann, as well as unproven biographical facts regarding Marconi, the further down the "rabbit hole" I find myself.
Most of the longitudinal wave source material you cite seems to trace back to the Borderland Research Group.
Most of their material appears cheaply produced and more than twenty years old, and they seem to be deeply involved in "Radionics".


No doubt you are aware of what Radionics promoters believe it to be:
In the 1930's dubious people built arrays of variable resistors, coils, and multi-colored lights that, utilizing the longitudinal electromagnetic waves of life energy,
could diagnose illness, and ultimately cure them (manufacturers were said to have made millions making these devices for Radionic Practitioners
and back then millions of dollars were worth a lot more than they are today).
When cops in the fraud department became involved, they found that the machines were wired seemingly randomly -
some components were only connected using one wire alone. Although anyone aware of electronics would describe this as a box of nonsense, the boys of Borderland explain that these devices use those lossless faster than light telepathic life energy longitudinal waves, which require only one wire to be functioning in a circuit.  Of course the cops shutting all this down was really just part of secret international conspiracy...
I found fascinating beliefs regarding Marconi. 
Take a look at http://alchemy-forums.forumotion.com/t476-the-underground-city-of-marconi-fulcanelli-tesla , it seems to explain "I'm from Venezuela" completely. 
According to this posting, Marconi continued his work on a massive ship somewhere on some ocean, finally founding a technologically advanced city underground
somewhere in the jungles of Venezuela. 
From there he brought Tesla in on it (apparently faking Tesla's death as he had his own) and the two perfected free energy,
teleportation, antigravity, hyperdrive, transmutation of matter, time travel and immortality - all this will eventually be revealed for the good of mankind.
For now they seem to believe they must hide their existence from powerful evil men that would use this knowledge for evil (someone obviously read too much bad pulp fiction in their youth).  Supposedly they now have other secret underground cities on the Moon and on Mars (somehow I don't think that the Curiosity craft will find it). 
Maybe your visitors wanted you to think that they were from the underground city of Marconi and Tesla?
An Emissary from the great men themselves???
Perhaps some members of this fringe group think this is really just part of a dis-information program from our invisible, imperceptible
(Alien? Robot? Atlantean? Templars? Masonic?) Evil Overlords...  I wonder if they know where the Holy Grail or the Philosopher's Stone is?
Perhaps Steve Jobs just moved to the secret research center (on the Moon, or Mars), and the pancreatic cancer was just a sham?
I could go on with this research, but I have an urgent appointment with Alice and The Mad Hatter for a Tea Party.
 It's thru the looking glass and at the second star on the right...  See ya there <g>.
Really? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
I would be curious what your wife might make, professionally speaking, of some of these guys that have
dedicated decades of their lives to making these video tapes and cheap self published tracts in these dubious fields.
During Wilhelm Reich's court case the Psychiatrists described him as having delusions of grandiosity, with paranoia..



End of  Roy's Letter




Few  words about Dr Roy:
Brilliant sceptical, traditional conservative,  traceable to the bureau with his  approach to science.
I'm proud of being his friend. Roy and I we have  different opinions and  approaches  he is against I'm pro
but in  many other areas of science we are in line.
We do not fight we talk.





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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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« Reply #22331 on: March 01, 2016, 09:35:21 AM »
Excellent post Wesley.

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« Reply #22332 on: March 01, 2016, 02:29:40 PM »
Hi guyz :)

Wesley ,
 thank you for your post and links.

gyulasun,

I already done something similar with Flyback and  simple circuit.
3 videos

1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1SP9nMVWec

2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3hU5CCBt5k

3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRdG4_BkxPI

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« Reply #22333 on: March 01, 2016, 02:54:23 PM »
It is important  to also have sceptical  view at things around.

My middle name is skepticism. 8)

So looking e.g. at this Ruslan video, upon first sight it looks real. No hidden wires anywhere to see.

But then, who says that no one has retouched that video by means of a video editing program? There could be a hot wire leading to the device as thick as my thumb, we will never see anything suspicious if someone has removed it frame by frame from that video. Sounds far-fetched?

Maybe I'm just too skeptical. ::)

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« Reply #22334 on: March 01, 2016, 03:53:18 PM »
My middle name is skepticism. 8)

So looking e.g. at this Ruslan video, upon first sight it looks real. No hidden wires anywhere to see.

But then, who says that no one has retouched that video by means of a video editing program? There could be a hot wire leading to the device as thick as my thumb, we will never see anything suspicious if someone has removed it frame by frame from that video. Sounds far-fetched?

Maybe I'm just too skeptical. ::)

Why would you expect to see hidden wires when they are hidden. C'mon, lets get some common sense into this next circle of discussion.  ::)

 

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