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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16407054 times)

magpwr

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21390 on: March 18, 2014, 02:51:29 PM »
Hi everyone,

I'm back with "some" technical explanation for  Salty Citrus Don Smith replication-

Please refer to Page 260 onwards found on latest PJKbook.pdf March 2014 Edition.(Please search for it.For i have not bookmarked link)

This is my personnel finding for my own application\knowledge.I'm just letting the rest know how roughly it is done to save time that's all.

Noticed there is 2 circuit board as shown in pdf.

1st circuit board nearest from 12volt battery to mini HV transformer to raise voltage to around 1000volt DC.Justification there is 4 capacitors 450volts each likely connected in series and 3 x 1200volt=3600volts  mosfet needed to be connected in series and other 3 x 1200v mosfet as well.Please read pjkbook to understand the output voltage.

The frequency to around 5 turns primary of Don smith's coil  is around 210khz.

Please refer to my attached video on my virtual circuit stimulation on why 10KV capacitor was used for that experiment.I'm just sticking with 200DC or 350volts base on available HV component in virtual bench without connecting 2 or 3 IGBT's  in series.

For around 200v DC input i'm getting around 2kv across 1.5uH which is the "assume" reading for 5 turns primary winding.The 0.3x uf caps used needs to be high voltage around 3kv.
The current is high is because it's around 50% duty for Mazilli circuit.This circuit is not recommended as this is just used for stimulation purpose merely to know estimated voltage across 5 turns primary at around 210KHZ.
(Mazilli circuit is unable to run at stable frequency.Pwm i/c UG3825A is recommended)



If you read carefully it's a team in China which created the circuit.By looking at the cost of those 6 or more mosfet they used and currency conversion from China to USD and other exotic components 120-USD for each secondary coil.I wonder what kind of organization it would be to create this device."Someone whom is unaware can simply say it's a real expensive fake or is it?" 


My own build is rather slow i have merely completed secondary coil using 12AWG speaker wire which came in pairs(~15.23uH each CW&CCW winding <0.4uH difference between 2 coils) and i need to redo primary after i discovered i got a cheap mixed copper and alu likely for 8AWG speaker wire.I'd believe cheap material do give inferior results.

I got a most expensive capacitor i ever purchased yet rated 3KV 100uf as attached.For optional step down if i combine 100mH(45 turns 18AWG on 3" toroid) and 3KV 100uf i should able to get around 51HZ.

I'm not sure if anyone whom is more knowledgeable is able to advise me is it practical to get many <100ns diodes connected in series assume 600v 1Amp each to form HV capacitor.
I'm little lost if the delay from each diode would be multiplied example 35ns ea x 10 =350ns.
Isn't it better to get 1 HV diode to handle 10KV or 20KV OR 25kv 1Amp which have 100ns delay assuming current is at 1Amp max.

At this point i do have fear only on single item 100uf 3KV capacitor.I do know how it feels like getting "SHOCKED %&##" merely from disposable camera caps of around 180uf 330v.
What kind of cap blast it would produce compared to camera caps."Safety comes first."     

"Warning electricity with high Amps can kill esp caps" :'(



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« Reply #21391 on: March 18, 2014, 03:32:34 PM »

Yes, Igor tried many ways to "self-feeding" circuit, lastly with current transformer. The problem is high frequency heating ferrite core, unusable for long running. There are English subtitle for this video.

hi forest,

May i intervene .The ferrite material(toroid in this case) comes in many types each is design to work optimally at certain range of frequency.If you use a toroid ferrite which was made to run at lower frequency and you use it on circuit which runs on higher frequency assume 100KHZ or higher.The ferrite core would saturate and heat up as the frequency goes higher than it's rated for.
In simple words efficiency drops.

Solution get a suitable toroid which is design for high frequency.Scope shot would surely reveal igor's circuit frequency.

nanocrystalline toroid is the preferred choice . :)

Please do inform igor about it.
 

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« Reply #21392 on: March 18, 2014, 05:00:50 PM »
  Forest:
  Can you provide us with the link to Igor's video that has English subtitles.
 
   Obtaining a properly working feed back circuit is the most important aspect to continue working on the self runner circuits.
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« Reply #21393 on: March 18, 2014, 05:35:27 PM »
  Other Planet:
  Have you tried the suggestion that you are making, concerning the feed back path, or circuit? As there have been many inverter circuits made so far, that have not been able to self run properly, from a feed back loop. Igor Moroz's many tries at it, is one example.
  By the way, Igor has a another new video just out a couple of days ago, that is dealing with this aspect, but it is all in Russian, and I don't understand what he is saying. Maybe someone can let us know if it is something of importance, that we should be aware of.

Yes i tried this on some devices in the past where i wasnt sure wether they are cop>1 or not. Sadly none were, at least not much. But it will lower ur Input a lot if u use feedback. You need at least 1-10 watt more out than in ur device, to have it selfrunning, because there are losses within the feedback circuit part. One day i want to try this on my Inogda/Otto TPU, but i need a new 3/4 channnel driver, last was killed by it. If someone has good schematic for this, where u can set frequencies, pulse width and phase shift independantly from each other, please share with me  :)

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« Reply #21394 on: March 18, 2014, 06:12:49 PM »
  Forest:
  Can you provide us with the link to Igor's video that has English subtitles.
 
   Obtaining a properly working feed back circuit is the most important aspect to continue working on the self runner circuits.
              NickZ


Whats Tom Bearden says about self loop....condition.
"Discharge circuit and load must be seperated from charged circuit"


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« Reply #21395 on: March 18, 2014, 07:37:59 PM »
   Did Bearden show a working example of his circuit, as here are many unknowns in the diagram above?


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« Reply #21396 on: March 18, 2014, 10:17:16 PM »
  Forest:
  Can you provide us with the link to Igor's video that has English subtitles.
 
   Obtaining a properly working feed back circuit is the most important aspect to continue working on the self runner circuits.
              NickZ




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBxUsfHHKrM

first part here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRQFngNLIsA

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« Reply #21397 on: March 19, 2014, 12:51:07 AM »
If you wish to make a Don Smith device you have to look at what his setup says.  Dont look at it as a whole.  First he has a variable input into the NST so he can adjust the input voltage. Also a varible resistance on the ground connection.  Thats number one. Second is he uses 2 blocking diodes to create a Unidirectional Input from the NST.  How that diodes don't destroy themselves, I don't see how they wouldn't, but maybe they are special.  Third he has a combination of Series and parallel resonant circuits.  To tune the device. A ground connection on the output with a capacitor parallel with the center tapped  ground. The spark gap position is also special.   He said later that he only hide all this so he would be able to get the information out there without being a target.  Now if its the truth is up to the experimenter. I hate to say that the capacitors have to be special in some way.  That way I have soon forgotten, Sorry.

He says that this circuit is the basic operation of the device.  I hope it will help you.

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« Reply #21398 on: March 24, 2014, 12:30:47 PM »
Hi @ll just a note to all experimenters, I got fed up with spark gaps stopping and burning and lack of stability. What I have done is put spark gap inside tube capped each end then filled with pure argon under pressure, left cylinder connected to keep pressure in - I used 2 tungsten twist drills  and fixed them with small bore pipe fittings through each end. I could not believe the difference, as pressure increased the spark increased from 1mm in gap to 30 or 40mm and very lively I had to move the points apart in end fittings. Decrease pressure and spark dies back. Now got to find a way of using this info. The power supply is flyback transformer.
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« Reply #21399 on: March 24, 2014, 03:09:25 PM »
Hi Keith,

You are surely aware of off-the-shelf surge arrestors which are just gas filled 'spark gaps".  See a gas discharge tube firing at 90V DC here http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/CG90LTR/F4109CT-ND/2745247 and many other choice at random search here: http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/circuit-protection/gas-discharge-tube-arresters-gdt/655426  up to 8.5kV.
Of course when you can make your own gas filled devices you do not need to buy such but perhaps this info is useful for others tinkering with DS circuits.  Several other part sellers include such, and there are choices at ebay too.

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« Reply #21400 on: March 24, 2014, 05:36:35 PM »
@gyulasun, thanks for that although the voltages all look very low. The flyback is 40,000V so I do not know how they would stand up or function, suppose I could try, also no adjustment with them.
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« Reply #21401 on: March 24, 2014, 05:44:29 PM »
Well, maybe connecting some in series?

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« Reply #21402 on: March 24, 2014, 06:44:20 PM »
From my experience, the surge arresters also tend to stop working/change behaviour after a while. Think they are available in different "strengths". Lifetime probably also depends on strain...

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« Reply #21403 on: March 26, 2014, 03:35:26 PM »
Resonance with medium.   Now what would that serve??  A great deal I would say. 

How it works

The capacitor. There are only a few basic building blocks of electrical circuitry. The capacitor is one of them. Tesla didn't invent it, it had been around for some time, arguably for millennia, but he did improve upon it in three of his patents. Also called condenser, the common capacitor is just a sandwich of conductive and nonconductive layers that serves the purpose of storing electrical charge. The simplest capacitor has just two conductive sheets separated by a single sheet of insulation. In the capacitor shown, the conductive elements are two metal plates.

The insulation between them is oil. In the official vocabulary, the plates are indeed called plates and the insulative layer (oil, glass, mica, or whatever) is called the dielectric. Connect the two terminals of a capacitor into a circuit where there is plus-minus electrical potential, and charge builds on the plates, positive on one, negative on the other. Let this charge build for a while, and then connect the two plates through some resistance, a coil, say, and the capacitor discharges very suddenly. Tesla said, The explosion of dynamite is only the breath of a consumptive compared with its discharge. He went on to say that the capacitor is the means of producing the strongest current, the highest electrical pressure, the greatest commotion in the medium.

The capacitor's discharge is not necessarily a single event. If it discharges into a suitable resistance, there is a rush of current outward, then back again, as if it were bouncing off the resistance, then out, and back and so forth until it peters out. The discharge is oscillatory, a vibration. The vibration can be sustained by recharging the capacitor at appropriate intervals. When Tesla talks of the capacitor's discharge causing commotion in the medium, he means a vibration or mix of vibrations. The character of this vibration is determined in part by the capacity of the capacitor, that is, how much charge it will hold. This is a function of it size, the distance between plates, and the composition of the dielectric. Upon discharge there would be, typically, a fundamental vibration, some harmonics, and perhaps other commotion, maybe musical, maybe not. Additional circuitry can tame the vibration to a pure tone.

The medium

When Tesla speaks of commotion in the medium, what is the medium? In Tesla's time it was an article of faith that there existed a unified field that permeated all being called the ether. The ether as the electric medium still is an article of faith in some circles, but in official science its existence is presumed to have been disproved in the laboratory. Nevertheless, this conviction about an ether ran very deep, not only among scientists but among all thinkers, until only about forty-some years ago when particle theory, E=MC2, and, finally Hiroshima firmly established the new faith. Tesla said the electron did not exist.

The materialistic concept of these little particles running through conductors is alien to Tesla electric theory. Here is the Quaker writer Rufus Jones on the ether in 1920: An intangible substance which we call ether - luminiferous (light-bearing) aether - fills all space, even the space occupied by visible objects, and this ether which is capable of amazing vibrations, billions of times a second, is set vibrating at different velocities by different objects. These vibrations bombard the minute rods of the retina... It is responsible also for all the immensely varied phenomena of electricity, probably, too of cohesion and gravitation...

The dynamo and the other electrical mechanisms, which we have invented do not make or create electricity. They merely let it come through, showing itself now as light, now as heat, now again as motive power. But always it was there before, unnoted, merely potential, and yet a vast surrounding ocean of energy there behind, ready to break into active operation when the medium was at hand for it. Jones, who was not a scientist but a religious thinker and communicator, was making a point about the nearness of God's power and could do so by invoking the physics of his time. This would be difficult using the Einsteinian physics in fashion today, which W. Gordon Allen has called atheistic science.

Although the ether is intangible, it is assumed to have elastic properties, so that Tesla can say a circuit with a large capacity behaves as a slack spring, whereas one with a small capacity acts as a stiff spring vibrating more vigorously. This elastic character of the ether, which you experience palpably when you play with a pair of magnets, is due to the medium's lust for equilibrium. Distorted by electrical charge (or by magnetism or by the gravity of a material body), the ether seeks to restore a perfect balance between the polarities of positive-negative, plus/minus, yang/yin.

Voltage is the measure of ether strain or imbalance, called potential difference, or just potential. Balance is not restored from this strained condition in one swing-back. As we have seen with the capacitor, the disturbed electric medium, like a plucked guitar string, over-swings the centerline of equilibrium to one side, then to the other, again and again, and this we know as vibration. In this way of looking at nature, vibration is energy; energy is vibration. So you could say that the commotion in the medium caused by the capacitors discharge is energy itself.

Thus, you can speak of the capacitor as an energy magnifier. Even though a feeble potential may charge it, the sudden blast of the capacitor's release plucks the medium mightily. The capacitor is common in modern circuitry, but Tesla used it with much greater emphasis on its capability as an energy magnifier and on a scale almost unheard of today. It's difficult to find commercial capacitors that meet Tesla specifications. Builders of tesla coils and other high-voltage devices usually must construct their own capacitors. Fortunately, this can be done using readily available materials.

The spark gap: A simple way to discharge a capacitor is through a spark gap. The spark-gap oscillator is just a capacitor firing into a circuit load (lamps or whatever) through the spark gap. The opening between the spark-gap electrodes determines when the capacitor will fire. This setting is one determinant of the frequency of the circuit.

The others are capacity and the reactance, or bounce characteristics, of the load. The potential needed to bridge the gap is in the tens of thousands of volts. It takes a potential of about 20,000 volts to break down the resistance of just a quarter of an inch of air. The gap doesn't necessarily have to be air. Tesla has referred to a gap consisting of a film of insulation. A spark gap is a switching device, a semiconductor in fact. But the spark gap is problematic, particularly the common two-electrode air-gap version. Heating and ionizing of the air cause irregularities in conduction and premature firing.

This arcing must be quenched. It can be to a great degree by using a series of small gaps instead of one larger one, or by using a rotary gap. Tesla also immersed the gap in flowing oil, used an air blowout, and even found that a magnetic field helps to quench. For the gap Tesla substituted high-speed rotary switches, which he called circuit controllers. One has a rotor that dips into a pool of mercury, and another uses mercury jets to make contact. You can operate a spark gap without a capacitor by connecting it directly to a source of sufficient voltage.

This is, of course, how our automotive spark plugs work, directly off the coil. (The capacitor in that circuit is used to juice the ignition coil primary.) The auto distributor, incidentally, is a rotary gap, pure Tesla. Early radio amateurs used spark-gap oscillators as transmitters. The capacitor was, more often than not, left out of the circuit, but with it the transmitter could create a greater commotion in the medium.
https://altered-states.net/barry/tesla/

Sorry for those who are waiting on me to get my shit together.   Looks like I have to make another capacitor.  This time I am making a 2 plate adjustable capacitor so I can fine tune the impulse.    So it can bounce back in fourth in the Medium more easily and allow buildup of excess potential..

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« Reply #21404 on: March 26, 2014, 07:34:24 PM »
elementsix i believe you have a clear understanding and a lot of Tesla material. in his patent no.787 412 the art of transmitting electrical energy through the natural medium. there is a part he is saying " third. the most essential requirement is however, that irrespective of frequency the wave or wave train should continue for a interval of time .......................... pliz can you explain what he ment in the whole paragraph and how to put it in practice.