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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 14761703 times)

Offline itsu

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21150 on: February 20, 2014, 10:09:29 AM »
What about the difference in primary resonance frequencies with the secondary open vs. only the bulb across secondary ?

The above testing was for setting a base line understanding of the circuit as i did not really understand what Jack had in mind.
Jack has moved this subject to here:  http://www.overunity.com/14211/lenzless-resonant-transformer/msg388711/#msg388711

He mentions that my windings are not what he had in mind, (prim and sec on each side of the core)  so i will change that and retest.
I will also incorperate your suggestions mentioned above and the one about winding the coils forth and back instead of twice around the core.

Thanks,  regards Itsu

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21151 on: February 20, 2014, 11:53:44 AM »


 There are quite a few here that troll the threads and do a good job of scaring away Most experimenters. All of these guys, you can check the quality of their posts by clicking their name and clicking message history. Things to look out for are very low word counts of the posts and them pointing out how dangerous all this is and how concerned they are with post that might lead some into very dangerous areas of experimenting.



Well, you certainly take the prize for the highest word count - trolling this Kapanadze thread with monotonous dialogue about how Tesla did this and a Tesla did that!

Offline a.king21

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21152 on: February 20, 2014, 02:48:01 PM »
Element six:
I like the circuit you have found but have one observation.
The capacitor is capable of storing over 10 watt-seconds.
The neon consumes a negligible amount of power, so we could be looking
at a conventional effect.

Offline jbignes5

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21153 on: February 20, 2014, 03:12:03 PM »
Well, you certainly take the prize for the highest word count - trolling this Kapanadze thread with monotonous dialogue about how Tesla did this and a Tesla did that!


 The only reason I quote Tesla soo much is that Tariel Kapanadze said it was due to tesla's work that he could do what he did. That was from the mouth of TK. If you don't like the subject of TK and Tesla then maybe you should hit the bricks and go back to the threads that the posters let you distract them from. Maybe you should stick to subjects that you do know, which is a little more then nothing.


 Might I comment on the word count issue? Well to be honest it is high because when describing anything you want to inform people of, one tends to make sure the audience knows what you are trying to tell them. And to boot half of what I post is reference material to shew away people like you. Since they can not refute the references they tend to not do the things that you do. Of course others like you tend to laser focus on one line of text to nit pick on and ignore anything else. So this is a tactic I have evolved to combat people who know nothing of the subject yet want to interject their non related wisdom on the subjects.


 My postings are verbose to get rid of the element that is trying to suppress these discoveries. They have done this since Tesla's time and most likely will continue until we get tired of all the distractions. <- this is a pipe dream.

Offline stivep

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21154 on: February 20, 2014, 05:18:02 PM »

Here is my response:


Two  opinions.
Two opposite sides of displacement curent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGdXfPeTtE8




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displacement_current


Thank you for  previous responses:
Anyone would like comment on it now?




Wesley





Offline verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21155 on: February 20, 2014, 06:31:15 PM »
This Question is addressed primarily but not only to Farmhand.  I would be delighted if  anyone else respond to it, e.g. Verpies.
How do you understand Displacement Current Mechanism
Within 90% agree with this understanding.

Offline elementSix

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21156 on: February 20, 2014, 07:53:44 PM »
Element six:
I like the circuit you have found but have one observation.
The capacitor is capable of storing over 10 watt-seconds.
The neon consumes a negligible amount of power, so we could be looking
at a conventional effect.

Yea he talks about that on the next thread page.  It is a big capacitor but I also thought it was a good representation of an energy conversion device.  It's very close he says to what Dynatron had come out with at the time.  He came out with his first thou.  I am sure you all remember this old pic from dynatron.

Hey Aking21, Have you ever considered or seen a device that took the Term "UNIDIRECTIONAL" literally an made the input into the discharge circuit, one wire??  I think it has good HV potential, like the video on the homepage of our forum here.  That guy shows a HV circuit, created by using just a AA battery.  Heres the link if you hadn't noticed it.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQb6oyRXMrY&list=PLC7684829E98CAD74


Offline SeaMonkey

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21157 on: February 20, 2014, 08:58:39 PM »
Verpies,

The reference link you've provided regarding
Displacement Current is a good read which
very well reinforces the notion that our
established "understanding" is far from complete.

This discussion is reminiscent of the models
which came into existence in the early days
of transistors and semiconductor materials.
The concept of "holes" and "electrons" was
difficult for many to grasp.

It is beneficial to study about and ponder
such things...


Offline Farmhand

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21158 on: February 20, 2014, 09:04:20 PM »
I like the way this guy explains it, and that he mentions about the inductor current being opposite in intensity kind of thing.  ;)

There's two basic ways to look a it. 1) From a physics point of view (complex). and 2) From an electronics point of view (simple).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppWBwZS4e7A

I think things could get quite complex with displacement current especially when we get to radio frequencies and distances between the plates of the "capacitor".

Cheers

Offline verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21159 on: February 20, 2014, 10:10:01 PM »
The reference link you've provided regarding
Displacement Current is a good read which
very well reinforces the notion that our
established "understanding" is far from complete.
Yes, but notice that the engineering and heuristic formulas based on those faulty concepts are still correct...more less.
e.g. we can write and use the Ohm's law (I=V/R) without really understanding what electric current is.
It's a masterpiece of a sort !

It should always be remembered that mathematical correctness does not mean conceptual correctness.

Offline SeaMonkey

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21160 on: February 20, 2014, 10:32:51 PM »
Very good link FarmHand.

I like his enthusiasm and style.

His advice to "keep it simple" is well stated.

What we really need in the way of understanding
to make things "work" is indeed simple.  Getting
bogged down with theoretical unknowns can
introduce needless confusion into any discussion.

Capacitors are fascinating and, of course, will
ultimately cause one to wonder:  Do capacitors
develop any CEMF or BEMF in normal operation
or is that a strictly inductive property?

Offline NickZ

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21161 on: February 20, 2014, 11:00:41 PM »
  Capacitors make me wonder, all right...  I wonder why adding a whole bunch of smaller ones in parallel affects a circuit in possibly unknown beneficial ways.

     Just in case that some of you here have not seen any my newer videos on the ยจ"Resonant Magnetic Generator"  (GeoFusion "round core", modified by Nick)
     Here is the link to my latest video, as well as my new channel on YouTube.
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbSJx91vtO4
   http://www.youtube.com/channel/UChwfL5U16oZ20H6zuW-LIHg

Offline jbignes5

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21162 on: February 20, 2014, 11:00:50 PM »
Very good link FarmHand.

I like his enthusiasm and style.

His advice to "keep it simple" is well stated.

What we really need in the way of understanding
to make things "work" is indeed simple.  Getting
bogged down with theoretical unknowns can
introduce needless confusion into any discussion.

Capacitors are fascinating and, of course, will
ultimately cause one to wonder:  Do capacitors
develop any CEMF or BEMF in normal operation
or is that a strictly inductive property?


 I have to agree that capacitors are very interesting but your last question is something I might help you with Bemf I think is due to Self induction of segmented conductors in correct relation to itself and the electric field that is around the segmented components. Whereas the capacitor generally does not include a contiguous segmented conductor. Yes capacitors are wrapped but in such a way that is not continuous ie. a current path, so no bemf would not be a component of a capacitor and hence why they can near instantly discharge then recharge.


 Self induction is like a resistance to a coil. It builds till no current flows at all until there is a change in the field of the coil.


 I think this is the reason Tesla started looking into the bifilar coils. It was a way to bring the non self induction of a capacitor into the realm of a coil so that it could continuously charge then discharge without the resistance that is notable in normal solenoid winds. Without a resistance like that a coil could charge and form the magnetic field nearly instantly instead of waiting for the self induction of the coil to fill the coil with energy. This would make it appear that the bifilar coil is stronger at producing magnetic fields only that it takes way less time to charge that coil due to low self inductance. The capacitive element of the bifilar coil.


 Stivep Also has turned me onto the video series he has linked in a post. Thank you Stivep.


 It is funny how it parallels my own ideas about how we went wrong and the corrections that we need to use to make them correct. This guy is an EE that has done his homework to prove the big fallacies that have pervaded our science for over 300 years. I recommend watching the whole series to get a handle on the bigger picture we have refused to see.

 Although he does not believe in Overunity I get the feeling he knows where the energy comes from and that negates any OverUnity claims. OU was only used as a term because we did not know where the extra energy came from in some setups. Now he is tearing down walls and building a solid foundation to build our new science. He also rectifies quite a few things that didn't jive between the different aspects of science. Quite informative and very interesting to watch... Thanks again Stivep...

 For your viewing pleasure that video series:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sUe6SL22NA

Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21163 on: February 21, 2014, 12:40:00 AM »
Very good link FarmHand.

I like his enthusiasm and style.

His advice to "keep it simple" is well stated.

What we really need in the way of understanding
to make things "work" is indeed simple.  Getting
bogged down with theoretical unknowns can
introduce needless confusion into any discussion.

I would rather like a simple explanation how electrons can be drawn out of a metallic object without the need of having a closed electric circuit. Because that's the trick of Kapanadze, Stepanov and Barbosa to make things work.

Actually I would like to see Kapanadze, Stepanov and Barbosa explaining their devices in such an enthusiastic style. :P

Offline SeaMonkey

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #21164 on: February 21, 2014, 02:25:28 AM »
Quote from: ZeitMaschine
I would rather like a simple explanation how electrons can be drawn out of a metallic object without the need of having a closed electric circuit. Because that's the trick of Kapanadze, Stepanov and Barbosa to make things work.

At Radio Frequencies the explanation is quite simple
and entails radiation, possibly ionization and of course
the mysterious "displacement current."

Whether any of the above mentioned are able to do
so as a demonstration of Over Unity or Free Energy
in any way other than that by which Daniel Pomerleau
does it
remains to be established.