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Offline MenofFather

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #20340 on: December 10, 2013, 05:08:19 PM »
hi,

I need help to know what is the capacitor C1 value found between pin 6 and pin 7 on I/C :CD4046...
0.5 nF.

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« Reply #20341 on: December 11, 2013, 01:45:24 AM »
   Additionally, I wrote a paper called "debunking Vassilatos" with all the references some years ago specifically against the false statements made in that book that shows how Vassilatos blatantly inserted false information to create the base of a whole theory from thin air which has no resemblance to the truth. If anyone is interested I have attached it FYI. Be aware that Peter Lindemann is into the same ship aswell.

I agree that Vassilatos has a very broad 'poetic license', and i am surprised that he got the name of the article (On the dissipation of the electrical energy of the Hertz resonator) incorrect.

We could forgive him if he were writing a work of historical drama, perhaps.

You say in your debunking piece :

"There is absolutely no reference to any mysterious gaseous substance"

I would draw your attention to a line from the article that you have higlighted :

"Most of the striking phenomena of mechanical displacement, sound, beat (sic) and light which have been observed, imply the presence of a medium of a gaseous structure that is one consisting of independent carriers capable of free Motion."

You also say that :

"Vassilatos also says that Tesla could not stop this strange gaseous effect with any shielding - again this is misinformation."

Whereas, in the article we have :

"These waves cannot be entirely stopped by the interposition of an insulated metal plate."

I point out these small errors in the interest of clarity.



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« Reply #20342 on: December 11, 2013, 02:19:40 AM »
I agree that Vassilatos has a very broad 'poetic license', and i am surprised that he got the name of the article (On the dissipation of the electrical energy of the Hertz resonator) incorrect.

We could forgive him if he were writing a work of historical drama, perhaps.

You say in your debunking piece :

"There is absolutely no reference to any mysterious gaseous substance"

I would draw your attention to a line from the article that you have higlighted :

"Most of the striking phenomena of mechanical displacement, sound, beat (sic) and light which have been observed, imply the presence of a medium of a gaseous structure that is one consisting of independent carriers capable of free Motion."

You also say that :

"Vassilatos also says that Tesla could not stop this strange gaseous effect with any shielding - again this is misinformation."

Whereas, in the article we have :

"These waves cannot be entirely stopped by the interposition of an insulated metal plate."

I point out these small errors in the interest of clarity.

I think here he is referring to the Aether

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"Most of the striking phenomena of mechanical displacement, sound, beat (sic) and light which have been observed, imply the presence of a medium of a gaseous structure that is one consisting of independent carriers capable of free Motion."

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Here I think Tesla says that the pressure waves will move the plate and the wave continues, meaning it is not electrical but mechanical in nature.

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"These waves cannot be entirely stopped by the interposition of an insulated metal plate."

I agree almost entirely with iceweller, Gerry Vassilatos is full of it and I have said so before. I didn't even read much of his book before it repelled me as mostly fantasy.

I only just read icewller's PDF and it pleases me. I say well done to him and thanks.

Considering Eric Dollard backs up what Gerry says what does that say for Eric Dollard ?

Cheers

P.S. I think Gerry slapped as much BS and hype as he could around Tesla so that, his (Gerry's) wild claims were believed and he could sell books and make money off of Tesla's name which is abhorrent. Most all people that originate these falsities are looking for money by way of hype and hope, also abhorrent. As a piece of fiction it's third rate as well.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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« Reply #20343 on: December 11, 2013, 06:48:00 AM »
 "These waves cannot be entirely stopped by the interposition of an insulated metal plate."
 
This is really true as an example shown in this clip.. below …
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjz-5Lqtxow
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tplRbd-fso
 
http://internationalresearchsociety.wordpress.com/2012/09/16/dr-konstantin-meyl-the-man-they-call-the-new-tesla/
 
 
 
Link below… These are non-directional “scalers”  “waves” ?   K. Myel’s name for them..
The video is from “the old scientist on Youtube channel” it’s one of the better  clips …
 
Oh… and a link to    Prof. Konstantin Meyl the New Tesla interview, it’s almost  3 hours long ..



This is the very best explanation of these "scaler waves" and the problem with the dogmatic science as he says..
Dr. Konstantin Myel is a brilliant scientist and is NO Vassilatos..  BRILLIANT interview and more...

 
Link below,  and some more links to the Scaler Waves explanation  by  Dr.K. Myel…
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKTkpC-DHZ8

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« Reply #20344 on: December 11, 2013, 07:41:39 AM »
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions of course but I am not buying what Meyl is sprooking any more than what his buddy the good Mr Keshe is sprooking. Meyl is after money big time.

In my opinion he has distorted some things as well to benefit his pocket.

icewellers PDF is here attached to this post. http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg272612/#msg272612

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« Reply #20345 on: December 11, 2013, 08:18:34 AM »
Farmhand  ;D


Your argumentation is very funny  ;D   Continuing I would say that ...Uhm.....Obama, and Pope wear the same pants as Eric Dollard - what does that say about them !? Very very suspicious, right ?

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« Reply #20346 on: December 11, 2013, 10:37:16 AM »
"These waves cannot be entirely stopped by the interposition of an insulated metal plate."
 
This is really true as an example shown in this clip.. below …
 
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Thank you Acca.

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« Reply #20347 on: December 11, 2013, 02:03:40 PM »
 SCALER WAVES ARE THE BASIS FOR THE KAPANADZE DEVICE,  THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT .  DR. KONSTANTIN MYEL HAS THE ANSWER.
 
Look to the link of the video below it is VERY IMPORTANT !!
Listen, Look, Learn, even watch it six times if you have to undersatnd it !!
 
This first link is one of my old clips about scaler waves.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYOaG_WocMQ
 
 Myel clips:

http://vimeo.com/63293831
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKTkpC-DHZ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tplRbd-fso
Kesh and  Myel, Sterling Allen clip.. 57000 views looks lke someone is learning, Myel at 11:38 time after Kesh…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9zBn3BKd3Y&feature=youtu.be
 
Now to:
 
Farmhand, “quote”:  “I am not buying what Meyl is sprooking,” and “Meyl is after money big time.”. end quote “..
What is “Sprooking“  by the way ??
 
Well that is what his job is !
 
He is a  “real” Phd….in an electrical engineering from Germany…
 
He is a scientist ! he makes a professional living as a scientist and a damm good one !!
 
Scientist publish papers and books that is the way “they” earn a living !! Making money to pay the house payment and buy food..
 
So am I, after big money so I  have to pay my bills to live !!
 
 
You seem to be "invalidating" him ??  as to Keshe he has a 75 page European patent to his fusion device reactor that is just astounding,  oh yea he is also a "real "scientist" (mad maybe ?)  !! and maybe you should be reading more credible papers instead of  popular  pseudo science books by "Lost Science"   by Gerry Vassilatos from Barns and Noble new age section !! now like you have said before it's my opinion and I have that right here.. Or is it just "your" way of quantifying to say it's just crap of what I have posted ?
It sure looks like that as it smells like an opinion.. So here is mine,  it's crap to even consider popular science book as "real" support in the free energy context !!!
 
Konstanin Myel is in fact an expert in "real" scaler waves !! and his books and papers matter !! as well as his voice in the posted interviews above, it is where the rubber meets the road, right here right now, and NOT  in some popular science books for the uneducated..  like Vassilatos,  and an unknown  writer that you quote like "Luke" in the above link  that you have posted, it's just crap, my opinion !!
 
Now to everyone else,  "now" my opinion is that I suggest, that "you" make up your own mind, as to what is important to get to the end of the Kapanadze saga, and that is... to try to understand what "you" and not  !!! some opioned forum member altered you view because you have been too lazy to read and learn  the harder to understand theories, well that is how one learns to understand complex systems..and not posting voluminous empty diatribe in an attempt to become and expert with a hollow center..
 
 
I  post here very little, I listen and read, not because  I don’t have any thing to say.  I keep my mouth shut because It’s just waste of words and time.. However sometimes it’s good to kick the lazy dog in the ass..   
 
 
http://www.k-meyl.de/go/Primaerliteratur/scalar_wave-effects.pdf
 
http://www.k-meyl.de/go/Primaerliteratur/Faraday-or-Maxwell.pdf
 
http://www.k-meyl.de/go/Primaerliteratur/Wireless-Energy-Transfer.pdf
 
http://www.k-meyl.de/go/Primaerliteratur/Proc_RFID_Eurasia.pdf
 
Myel bio:
http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=80_Meyl&page=1&sublevel=0
 
Papers:
http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=47_Papers&page=1&sublevel=0
 
 
Demo kits for sale:
http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=50_Experimental&page=1&sublevel=2
http://www.k-meyl.de/xt_shop/index.php?cat=c5_Kit---Devices.html
 
Books for sale:
http://www.k-meyl.de/xt_shop/index.php?cat=c3_Books-in-English.html
 
 
In his books, Prof. Dr.-Ing. Konstantin Meyl develops a self-consistent field theory which
is used to derive at all known interactions of the potential vortex. Instead of the normally used Maxwell equation, Prof. Meyl chooses Faradays law of induction, as a hypothetical factor and proves that the electric vortex is a part thereof. This potential vortex propagates scalar-like through space and is a longitudinal electric wave whose properties have already been established a century ago by Nicola Tesla.
 
Prof. Meyl’s field theory is non speculative and enables new interpretations of several principles of electrical engineering and quantum physics. This leads to feasible interpretations of experimental observations which to this day have not been possible to explain via existing theories. For example, quantum particle characteristics can be calculated when interpreted as a vortex. The dielectric loss of a capacitor emerges as vortex loss. Likewise a number of neutrino experimental results can be explained when the neutrinos are regarded as a vortex. Neutrino power is available as an inexhaustible form of energy due to a remarkable overunity effect.
 
Prof. Meyl has written numerous books. He lectures at the Technical University of Berlin, University of Clausthal and at the University of Applied Sciences Furtwangen. In his end-of-week seminars it is possible to become familiar with the potential vortex, the objective vortex theory and to converse with Prof. Meyl.
 
 
In his books, Prof. Dr.-Ing. Konstantin Meyl develops a self-consistent field theory which is used to derive at all known interactions of the potential vortex. Instead of the normally used Maxwell equation, Prof. Meyl chooses Faradays law of induction, as a hypothetical factor and proves that the electric vortex is a part thereof. This potential vortex propagates scalar-like through space and is a longitudinal electric wave whose properties have already been established a century ago by Nicola Tesla. This phenomenon can now be studied and examined thanks to a fully functional replica designed by Prof. Meyl.
 
One more an Italian by the name of  Roberto Handwerker, he is now working for a private venture group.. soo…  secret now.. last tesla papers.. of his device.. found !!!Learn, Look, and understand….VIP stuff !!!
   
http://www.teslasociety.ch/info/handwerker/wireless.pdf
 
http://www.teslasociety.ch/info/handwerker/colde.pdf
 
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/deltaavalon/L.M.D.%20waves%20in%20a%20Tesla%20Coil%20revised.pdf
 

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« Reply #20348 on: December 11, 2013, 04:10:55 PM »
Thanks for the extra info Acca, i am having a very interesting afternoon watching, listening, questioning and learning.


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« Reply #20349 on: December 11, 2013, 06:54:39 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKTkpC-DHZ8


Meyl suggests that there is a longitudinal electrostatic, but there is also a longitudinal electromagnetic ...


(same video; starting at that point... )
http://youtu.be/tKTkpC-DHZ8?t=30m42s


and that electricity is out of the wire....


Edit: Added a hypothetical model using a vortex model and applying arbitrary lables... is this anywhere close?


electromagnetic vortex (spinning vortex on the outside, electrostatic on the inside; in the bottles water on the outside, air on the inside)

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« Reply #20350 on: December 11, 2013, 08:32:42 PM »
Discussions regarding "scalar waves" are
always interesting.

Has anyone yet given examples of how
scalar waves are produced in nature; what
conditions are necessary for their production,
if any?

Or, are we to believe that scalar waves are
exclusively man made?

We must conclude that scalar waves rely
upon electro-magnetics, at least in theory,
for their production.

I'm not convinced...


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« Reply #20351 on: December 11, 2013, 08:59:06 PM »



There are other dimensions that are not illustrated.  There is the frequency of length to twists... which can align the inner ripples more longitudinally or more laterally...


The slip of dense substance around the lip of the interface is allowed least resistance by a higher rotation.


Edit 1;
Watched that meyl summary conference and basically this is what he's saying... and the wave that's within the vortex is useful, but is not measurable.  We can measure the mass electrostatic and measure there is a mass electromagnetic, but we have no tool for the inside... unless there are end results.


THere is a mass flow resonance that AC works with.  The skin structure between the two is ... chaos probably.  There will be pinched off points, where bubbles of contained electrostatic in a magnetic will happen.  A high resonance will have this issue more as there's more chance for the tunnel walls to collapse and form a close loop between the electromagnetic.


So... there is a mass resonance for the gross flows; but there is also a resonance inside.  This is why even though I compute exact freqencies and capacitances and figure for parasitic etc I always have a badly formed inner helix.  I don't know how many waves around there are... there is usually at least one ripple where the pressure will push the walls of the vortex further (contract tighter from the outside?)...


{There is no gravity. The only force that exists is vaccuum.  No particle wants to be near any other particle, with a great force, such that in a homegenous (evenly spread) smoky air sort of state, the particles will want to be pushed together.  As a quantity of void is formed, that the force of vaccuum in the spaces between the particles is greater than between other nearer particles, pushing particles into packets of other particles and eventually forming huge masses. }


monopolar viewpoints are interesting, but probably there is an equal and interacting force.


So... if you have instead a mass flow of the outside system through, the interface between the two is of use?


Edit2:
50Ohm impedance :)  Working within an already 'flawed' system... or a preconceived conditions such that there is a balance of electrostatics in the chambers and a magnetic force in balance of a time to be able to shift the flow back and forth.... So really the issue is to drive it always forward (unless there is another application, as mazzillis work for induction heaters for low stress on the components) But this isn't impulse... or DC pulsed... so the system is basicaly in the same direction, can pulse the air (electrostatic) or run a magnet by it in sequence (electromagnetic) and keep the vortex going... and reinforced.


My Closed bottle system has flaws.  Without imparting a flow (moving a magnet next to the wire) the surface tension of thwa ter closes such that the weight of water on top is not enough pressure to overcome to up air pressure in the bottom... so I have to induce a swirl.... In a river/open system, this direction/feed to the system can be such to increase the flow (resonanate) so the effective power of that portion of the system is more than a lot of the consolidated input... but it is always the sum...


TheOldScientists shows this very well with his spark gap transmission circuit.
He builds a resonant tank, and demonstrates 'resonant grown' or VRSWR  very well.
He's not got negative resistance... the growth on that wave is real, but it's the same frequency as the input.  It's a demonstration of the beginning point of resonsance... mostly we have a stable resonance and miss out on the beginning....  When the voltage reaches the dielectric break of the spark gap, the gap opens and ALL current is dropped (as opposed to an LED threshold that also current limit the drop).  At which point he starts another cycle of growth from 0.  This is a combination of the resonance of the coil itself feeding back 80% and adding another small percent (why not total percent?)...



Edit 3:
(didnt' check if more had responded yet)
All of electronics in these coils etc happens OUTSIDE of the wire. ?  Oh I see... ya I got it, and I would say that as a statement.


1) The electromagnetic gross field happens outside of the electrostatic, andoutside of the wire (obviously, because you can sense it with a motor magnet).  the electrostatic is also outside of the wire... we can tell this when it reaches a high potentiall and you touch the wire, you get shocked.


2) There must also be something happening INSIDE the wire...


I had at one point pondered... is an electric flux an electron?  If you induce a current into a coil, and take that current off the other side, is it the same electrons ?  Or is is another (It's maybe something else) that just gets a motion imparted.
With the open mobius coil tests, this really leads me to beleive that an electron that moves transforms into the magnetic part, and is able to form somewhere else in a collapse (something like quantum field mechanics?)  So probably the answer is yes.. which is why you can't get more back than you put in...


But if both of these things happen outside, then it should be able to make a gross manipulation of their interface (the tunnel that's kinda hazy...)


But with the lighter/inner conduit open to the air on both sides (environment where elctrons di exist... or things that participate in electrostatics... )  and keep the magnetic on the other side....


So the wire is the eye of the tornado, most of the working space is really far removed from the wire...


(I lost the transition to this part) Otherwise grouping a lot of conductors in a bundle wouldn't get a good mass magnetic field...



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« Reply #20352 on: December 11, 2013, 11:22:59 PM »
I don't think there is much point arguing about scalars, I'm not here to waste anybodies time not even mine. I just like to give my opinion as others like to give theirs.

I see a scalar as a static set amount at a single point in space at a given moment. That's all it is, as I see it, a term to define that value. A scalar value. ie. at the point 3 feet above the center of a room the temperature is/was 25 degrees.

A wave is a different thing.

Does Meyl give a definition for what he calls a scalar wave ? What does it do ect ?

People can think what they like and how they like and believe who they want.


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« Reply #20353 on: December 11, 2013, 11:24:24 PM »
You all, might find this very interesting as I was following a researcher in the 1980’s his name was Warren York, here is some more stuff to ponder, I am involved in this stuff and it's really scary to think that de-stabilization of matter can be done through scaler audio compression waves..... I really like your post.   
 ”There are other dimensions that are not illustrated.  There is the frequency of length to twists... which can align the inner ripples more longitudinally or more laterally...”
I wll dig out a scalar clip and post it soon.. It has ripples and twists in a cold plasma tube...

 
Acca…
 
Audio Scaler Waves alter matter and make time bubbles..
 
In 1990 Mike Windell and Warren York began experimenting with modulating audio compression (scaler waves) into a cold beam plasma tube, and soon discovered that by placing a target in or near  plasma they could cause structural changes in various crystalline materials, they could harden or soften materials much like the Hutchison effect does by modulating the phase angle and duty cycle of the audio compression waves. “(this is also done by resonating a ferrite core in the TV yoke application as well as the ferrite tube, it’s the very high audio frequency that ferrites generate that cause the scaler compression waves, in the Akula0083 power device TV yoke.)” Acca..
 
“We believe that many of the anomalous effects were due to time dilation. We have observed the apparent conversion of electrical energy in excess of what can be explained by conventional theory. It was also found that manyother strange and interesting effects could be produced”— Mike Windell
 
York describes a number of crystal energy anomalies that he encountered during experimental testing with Mike Windell, including a time-displacement effect that led to several hours of missing time, an array of materials-effects including the jellification of a large sample of quartz-crystal and documented molecular changes in Topaz crystals, and a strange occurrence during a power-failure when the cold-plasma beam continued to operate at full-power despite being connected to a blown circuit breaker.
 
York’s research has extended Einstein’s Theory of Relativity to include relativistic time-dilation on the electron-scale, which he describes in a Unified Field Theory containing a new model of the electron called the YGEM (York-Geier Electron Model), which he co-developed with associate Charlotte Geier.
 
Here is one of his scientific papers link below:
 http://www.academia.edu/4166013/Quantum_Gravity_Pi_08_03_2013
 
Here is a example of the effect of audio scaler waves, his old document. VIP.
http://www.americanantigravity.com/files/articles/Cold-Plasma-Beam-2006.pdf
 
 
Warren York is the only person who used audio compression waves (scaler) non-magnitude form,  just a vector direction.
http://www.rense.com/general66/solid.htm
 
Link to Warren York, start clip at 19.35  on scaler waves  from 1980’s this is where he later he did discover that scaler audio compression into a cold beam plasma would create stripped structure in that plasma and, he created a time expansion bubble that expanded and later he would alter matter..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa8vjmMnwPU
 
Here is the result of his experiments with his lab assistants and the shocking discovery.
 
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0064E65614C9406F
 
 
 
Magnet clip of what a permanent magnetic field looks like, my old clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7c4iXum-A
 
 
Link to the Italian Nuclear discovery that audio waves de-stabilize atoms…VIP
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Discovery and Exploitation of Ultrasound Nuclear Reactions using sound waves.
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« Reply #20354 on: December 11, 2013, 11:32:36 PM »
I'm not buying time dilation either. I try not to use the word time. The passing of events happens as it happens, time is based on cosmic motion in my opinion, we know time passes   and events unfold because as the Earth years go by we get older. When a person can live a lifetime before the Earth and sun make one revolution, a "year" I'll believe in time dilation. Or I see some other evidence of similar.

Ways of not using the word time are for eg. the period between tuesday and friday is two days.

Anyway go ahead and fill a few pages pushing Meyls theories. I won't be reading any of it but many will. I have already made my investigations into Meyl and I can do pretty much anything he can do with a set of transformers so what is the big deal.

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