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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16406788 times)

Qwert

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19830 on: October 30, 2013, 05:54:25 PM »
Interesting! The »Principle of system« looks almost like my drawing here on page 1292.

Now we just have to add the Free-Energy-Factor to this. ::) 8)

Right. My wider suggestion is to google or otherwise browse the net and use one's own reasoning, since it's (the net) also full of fraudsters. For example, later yet I found this:
http://ptp.irb.hr/upload/mape/kuca/07_Dmitry_S_Strebkov_SINGLE-WIRE_ELECTRIC_POWER_SYSTEM_FOR_RE.pdf

 so I better stop suggesting; DIY.

stivep

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« Reply #19831 on: October 30, 2013, 07:59:09 PM »

Drawings from Townsend Brown’s 1928 public
domain British patent illustrating a multiplate idea
and a general cylindrical configuration.





NASA Marshall Space Flight Center
Barrel-Shaped Asymmetrical Capacitor


http://www.gravitecinc.com/PDFs/Cambell%2020040171466_2004178290.pdf


really puzzles me


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19832 on: October 30, 2013, 08:13:21 PM »
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Zeitmaschine

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« Reply #19833 on: October 30, 2013, 10:00:10 PM »
Easy, stick a solar panel and inverter on the front-end.  :)
Solar panel of the new generation. Receives not the visible light from the Sun but the Sun's invisible electric field. :P

Actually I do not fully (if at all) understand the interaction between a high voltage source and the ground. The ground has a lot of free electrons. OK. A high voltage DC source (e.g. a charged capacitor) has a positive side and a negative side. OK. The negative side has a surplus of electrons and the positive side has a lack of electrons. OK. Connecting the positive side (plate) of the high voltage source to ground attracts therefore the electrons from ground, hence a current of electrons flows from ground into the positive side of the high voltage source and neutralizes it (discharges it, fills up the positive side with electrons until it is equal the negative side). But doesn't that mean that the electrons coming from ground now are all trapped in that (former) high voltage source? Because after the flow of electrons into that high voltage source the high voltage source stops being a high voltage source, so the electrons have no reason to flow back into the ground?

I think we should reconsider our conception of electric current, shouldn't we? Something must be fundamentally wrong with that conception, otherwise the page number here wouldn't be that high.

Qwert

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« Reply #19834 on: October 30, 2013, 10:33:47 PM »
Zeitmaschine, you are great! I read, re-read this topic, and it does not fit to my (popular science) knowledge. Only now, everything is clear: it is just a conception of some charismatic brainiacs!!

Hoppy

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« Reply #19835 on: October 30, 2013, 11:20:48 PM »
Solar panel of the new generation. Receives not the visible light from the Sun but the Sun's invisible electric field. :P


Well there you go - sorted.  :)

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« Reply #19836 on: October 30, 2013, 11:39:27 PM »
Solar panel of the new generation. Receives not the visible light from the Sun but the Sun's invisible electric field. :P

Actually I do not fully (if at all) understand the interaction between a high voltage source and the ground. The ground has a lot of free electrons. OK. A high voltage DC source (e.g. a charged capacitor) has a positive side and a negative side. OK. The negative side has a surplus of electrons and the positive side has a lack of electrons. OK. Connecting the positive side (plate) of the high voltage source to ground attracts therefore the electrons from ground, hence a current of electrons flows from ground into the positive side of the high voltage source and neutralizes it (discharges it, fills up the positive side with electrons until it is equal the negative side). But doesn't that mean that the electrons coming from ground now are all trapped in that (former) high voltage source? Because after the flow of electrons into that high voltage source the high voltage source stops being a high voltage source, so the electrons have no reason to flow back into the ground?

I think we should reconsider our conception of electric current, shouldn't we? Something must be fundamentally wrong with that conception, otherwise the page number here wouldn't be that high.

Don Smith Ambient Energy Generator  :)

Zeitmaschine

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« Reply #19837 on: October 31, 2013, 02:10:04 AM »
Don Smith Ambient Energy Generator  :)
Nice and strange.

Nice, because this is a 3-plate capacitor mentioned here in PJK - Chapter 9 - Passive Systems right after »Co-axial Cable Electrets«.

Strange, because in the Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices - Chapter 9 or in the pdf-full-version A Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices this subject is missing, as it seems. How can that be?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JxunfyhtFI

Looks somehow like a crystal radio, this schematic, doesn't it? :)

a.king21

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« Reply #19838 on: October 31, 2013, 02:38:28 AM »
The Don Smith effect?
I don't think so.
1914  Carlos Benitez.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwiQGxkXC9U

baroutologos

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19839 on: October 31, 2013, 08:23:59 AM »

Actually I do not fully (if at all) understand the interaction between a high voltage source and the ground. The ground has a lot of free electrons. OK. A high voltage DC source (e.g. a charged capacitor) has a positive side and a negative side. OK. The negative side has a surplus of electrons and the positive side has a lack of electrons. OK. Connecting the positive side (plate) of the high voltage source to ground attracts therefore the electrons from ground, hence a current of electrons flows from ground into the positive side of the high voltage source and neutralizes it (discharges it, fills up the positive side with electrons until it is equal the negative side). But doesn't that mean that the electrons coming from ground now are all trapped in that (former) high voltage source? Because after the flow of electrons into that high voltage source the high voltage source stops being a high voltage source, so the electrons have no reason to flow back into the ground?
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I have thought that too long time ago. Actually, capacitors are not in one side "electron deprived" and the other "electron surplus". Or in other words capacitors are not electrostatically charged in relation to the ground or any other plane. Capacitors work by forcing an applied EMF polarization on the dielectric, leading to a current movement from - to + as electrons.
When we are saying capacitor is charged, we mean the dielectric is stressed (polarized) and asserts an EMF between its leads to return to its original position. Much like a spring-membrane inside a sphere, that is filled with a liquid. The important point is to understand that a common capacitor works by polarization rather "electrostati-city"

Easy experiment to do:
Charge a 100uf 400V cap, to 360volts (FWBR applied to 220v mains) Then with a ground wire or your body serving as a ground touch the positive charged lead with one lead of a NE2 neon bulb, holding the other NE2 lead. (you can use an electricians screw driver too) You see that even neon's breakdown voltage is around 90-100volts, it does not light at all. This is because no EMF is exerted on the neon, since it is not connected in anyway with the other lead (-).

a.king21

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« Reply #19840 on: October 31, 2013, 09:01:39 AM »
Using the ground as an electron pump can only work at high frequencies and/or high voltage (Tesla).
It will not work at mains voltages.
Don Smith used high voltages and spark gaps to get frequency.
Benitez in the patent  17811 I have referred to, uses a wimhurst machine to get volts and a series of Tesla switches
to get frequency.
Kapanadze uses high frequency and static.
E V Gray used High frequency and static.
Melnychenko in his Russian patent uses static and radio frequencies.


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« Reply #19841 on: October 31, 2013, 10:54:53 AM »
Captain,

Its not the losses in the transmission medium, rather the transformation from low tension to high tension electricity and vica-versa at the other end of the line. The system shown in then link posted here shows 50Hz electricity at the consumer end derived from the HV/HF transmission line by step-down transformation. In this case the consumer should see no real change to the nature of the electricity being consumed, so assuming the end transformers are screened, then safety / health risks should be able to be managed at consumer end. As to the safety / health issues in respect of open overhead transmission lines working in this manner, this may prove problematical. I can imagine that avramenko plugs would become very popular for filching electricity from the grid lines for lighting!

About health issues of this tech, we must remember Tesla played most of his live with HV, HF fields, and he didn't contract any chronic disease from that, even more he died old. For me seems safe enough.
Many more others followers experimented with Tesla transformer  for extensive time and remained very alive and healthy (unless they ill from other cause). No one reported some health issue from that.
But the main issue with this energy transmission is not health issues but it is easy to steal energy through even wireless means like a tuned tesla near transmission line.

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« Reply #19842 on: October 31, 2013, 11:06:11 AM »
A portable kapanadze style self contained OU self-running system would be much better.  ;D

But bringing a live x wire for kapanadze in the middle of the woods will be even harder, not to mention burying a large radiator there . ;D

Zeitmaschine

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19843 on: October 31, 2013, 01:15:24 PM »
Easy experiment to do:
Charge a 100uf 400V cap, to 360volts (FWBR applied to 220v mains) Then with a ground wire or your body serving as a ground touch the positive charged lead with one lead of a NE2 neon bulb, holding the other NE2 lead. (you can use an electricians screw driver too) You see that even neon's breakdown voltage is around 90-100volts, it does not light at all. This is because no EMF is exerted on the neon, since it is not connected in anyway with the other lead (-).
Do this with a 25KV charge picture tube as HV capacitor. See what happens. ;D

»The third plate of a capacitor which has a metal can, is the can itself and to use it as a three-plate capacitor, a connecting wire is attached to the can.«

3-Phase capacitors typically have such a metal can, even with screw mounting. Is it pure coincidence that TK uses a whole bank of these capacitors?

1. Is simple to build and has a long, trouble-free life. (that's indeed an unaccustomed feature nowadays)
2. Uses only a few, readily available parts. (from the junkyard)
3. Only a very low level of understanding is needed. (my level complies with this)
4. Once it is installed, the energy provided is free. (what a pity for all meter manufacturers)
5. The energy source is available everywhere. (unfortunately I can't test it on the Moon)
6. It fulfills any and all energy requirements, for example, cars and aeroplanes. (only some power plants will have to close down)

So what's still the problem? ??? :( Did I miss something? ???

Hoppy

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« Reply #19844 on: October 31, 2013, 01:27:08 PM »
About health issues of this tech, we must remember Tesla played most of his live with HV, HF fields, and he didn't contract any chronic disease from that, even more he died old. For me seems safe enough.
Many more others followers experimented with Tesla transformer  for extensive time and remained very alive and healthy (unless they ill from other cause). No one reported some health issue from that.
But the main issue with this energy transmission is not health issues but it is easy to steal energy through even wireless means like a tuned tesla near transmission line.

Hopefully you are right on the health issues but just because Tesla was not reported to have suffered ill effects from his HF/HV experiments, it does not follow that others would not suffer ill health from exposure to the high intensity electrical fields generated by a national grid network working on this principle. however, I agree that it would be all too easy to steal electricity from such a system.