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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 14761677 times)

Offline a.king21

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19725 on: October 26, 2013, 10:01:09 PM »
“There is not a single instance that a Tesla bifilar coil has shown any extraordinary property” Baratoulogos.
Show me the proof.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19726 on: October 27, 2013, 12:34:00 AM »
@ above,

What you mean to show you the proof? i can study and i have made lots of biffilars. In my studies and my experiments i have not seen and verify and unsual property except that of increased capacitance. What more proof? That the coil does not performs magic tricks?... ?

@Acca,

I am glad you paying attention :D, and yes you can speak your mind. No problem by me.

Offline verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19727 on: October 27, 2013, 02:34:58 AM »
“There is not a single instance that a Tesla bifilar coil has shown any extraordinary property”
Show me the proof Baratoulogos.
Regardless of the merit of Tesla coils, it is illogical for you to demand a proof of nonexistence, because such proof is a logical fallacy.  In other words, proof for nonexistence cannot exist in principle because lack of proof for existence is not a proof for nonexistence.

I am afraid that the only proof that can exist is the proof of existence... and the burden of that proof is on you if you are a proponent of existence.

Offline verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19728 on: October 27, 2013, 02:41:49 AM »
  To:    baroutologos   Wow it looks like you do not add any thing of value to any of the posts like just in the examples below !! just from last few posts and you have alienated stupify12… Say something GOOD … negative is bad !!!
No, "negative" is not bad !
Negative comments have as much value as positive ones as long as they pertain to technical issues and are based on logic and science. Of course this is no place for social or Ad Hominem comments here such as "“typical behavior of a know it all freshstarter" even if  they are correct.

However a rebuttal for not being able to take a criticism is understandable.  I fully support statements such as the one below if they are in response to a complaint about valid criticism:
”If that are too much for you and cannot tolerate some mild critique arising from your statements.. then See you around”"
Baroutologos is actually being polite and shows civil restraint here, since a more appropriate conclusion to this statement would be" "...then go jump in a lake" ...or  "go back to your mother and suckle it".

Pampering weak feelings is not the purpose of this forum.

Offline Haan

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19729 on: October 27, 2013, 02:16:03 AM »
In my studies and my experiments I have not seen and verify any unsual property except that of increased capacitance.

"Increased capacitance" ... interesting.

Tesla said that bifilar windings have less inductance, not increased capacitance.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19730 on: October 27, 2013, 02:44:51 AM »
"Increased capacitance" ... interesting.

Tesla said that bifilar windings have less inductance, not increased capacitance.

Oh please.

From the patent #512,340:

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In order to attain my object and to properly increase the capacity of any given coil, I wind it in such way as to secure a greater difference of potential between its adjacent turns or convolutions, and since the energy stored in the coil considering - the latter as a condenser, is proportionate to the square of the potential difference between its adjacent convolutions, it is evident that I may in this way secure by a proper disposition of these convolutions a greatly increased capacity for a given increase in potential difference between the turns.
 I have illustrated diagrammatically in the accompanying drawings the general nature of the plan which I adopt for carrying out this invention.




Offline NickZ

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19731 on: October 27, 2013, 03:09:19 AM »
  Good points you all.
 
  quote from Verpies:
  " In other words, proof for nonexistence cannot exist in principle because lack of proof for existence is not a proof for nonexistence."

  It would be good to keep that in mind concerning our discussions of the "Aether",  as well.

Offline Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19732 on: October 27, 2013, 03:19:17 AM »
...and a lack of proof does not necessarily constitute a lack of troof.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19733 on: October 27, 2013, 05:07:20 AM »
Is this good or is this bad? ???
 
The apparent resistance of the 50Hz series LC circuit goes to zero at resonance. Normally this would mean a short circuit and hence zero voltage. But since the coil L of the LC circuit is a power source by itself (due to the 100KHz resonance of the high voltage input) it could be a whole different picture. The coil L is in parallel resonance with the second capacitor at high(er) frequency. So there should be a voltage across that coil L although from the 50Hz point of view the apparent resistance is zero (or near zero). But a (50Hz) voltage source with low (near zero) internal resistance can provide a lot of power. Unfortunately this is not a typical power source (like a power generator) so I'm not sure about that.

Are there any references describing a LC circuit wherein L itself acts as a power source?


Excellent


on the schematic attached :
You actually show coil with its own capacitive factor known as capacitive reactance.( the capacitor can be just)
the thicker the wire( say flat wire of aluminium foil the higher is interwinding  capacitance
but even  straight  piece of 10 cm of wire at any gauge wil still be resonant circuit of its own resonant frequency  with all of the roperties of series and pararel and dual factors of that circuit.
Another words It can resonate at  minimum at two   different frequencies one for parallel and one for  series


 interesting, is not that?


Also circuit you have shown my friend  will act on two or more different resonat  frequencies at minimum,
 and mixed one at the same time!!! ....................if spark is implemented as source of spectrum
of frequencies
 Pick of maximum of amplitude for  each  one depends from maximum of amplitude of driving frequency of spark generator.


spark can be replaced by  withe  noise generator or by any noise generator including HV coil from   your car :) ignition system

Interesting would be in here how cancellation of different  resonances behavior , builds sort of logic  system just by using copper of the coil only or by combination of additional capacitive reactance from additional capacitors.


But remember:
 usually (but not always) introduction of capacitor to the circuit lowers down the resonant  frequency.
However
 whenever we have  capacitive character of resonant circuit (or part of  resonanant structure - acting at tis moment as, single one for purpose of  analysis)
that means that frequency of circuit or frequency of generator is below( just little below) the frequency  that circuit is tuned to.
than:
 we have high  voltage sometime  thousands of volts even if the circuit is not driven by HV generator. and current is low


but
 if we are above the frequency the  circuit is tuned to than we have inductive character where current  is high and voltage is low.


so if we have  say spark or withe noise in complicated number of connected resonance circuits than we may build logic "that  is sort of similar to TTL."
Yet drastically better as deals with electrostatic field as well. Well say electrostatic forces - for skeptics :)


that might explain "magics" of coil winding and coil  shape ....................... and coil shape in  spacial 3 D space
.............. and   beauty of things just wire can do..


 :)











Wesley
« Last Edit: October 27, 2013, 12:06:10 PM by stivep »

Offline SeaMonkey

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19734 on: October 27, 2013, 07:36:16 AM »
Quote from: Nikola Tesla provided by Tinsel Koala
In order to attain my object and to properly increase the capacity of any given coil, I wind it in such way as to secure a greater difference of potential between its adjacent turns or convolutions, and since the energy stored in the coil considering - the latter as a condenser, is proportionate to the square of the potential difference between its adjacent convolutions, it is evident that I may in this way secure by a proper disposition of these convolutions a greatly increased capacity for a given increase in potential difference between the turns.
 I have illustrated diagrammatically in the accompanying drawings the general nature of the plan which I adopt for carrying out this invention.

It must not be forgotten that N. Tesla was a bit
of a prestidigitator and his writings and commentary
relating to his work were often vastly hyperbolic.

His knowledge and understanding of things electrical
was quite advanced for his time but if he were alive
today he'd no doubt make numerous changes to his
prior opinings.  Many of his speculations were flat
wrong.

The inter-winding capacitance of a coil can be
significantly increased with flat or ribbon
conductors.

Offline verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19735 on: October 27, 2013, 09:55:51 AM »
It would be good to keep that in mind concerning our discussions of the "Aether",  as well.
Yes, I cannot prove that aether does not exist.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19736 on: October 27, 2013, 11:35:25 AM »

Excellent


And I'm not even sure whether the second capacitor (in parallel) is really needed or not. The primary HV coil should excite the coil L of the series resonant circuit even without a capacitor in parallel, so the L itself of the series LC circuit is a power source anyway.

Remember the two 3-phase transformers and the one 3-phase capacitor in Stepanov's carpenter's workshop? What if one transformer and the one capacitor acts as a series LC circuit (resonant at 50Hz) and the second transformer provides the high voltage (in order to get proper interaction with the ground) maybe at a higher frequency? Although I don't know how to get higher frequency out of 50Hz mains in a simple way.

Just thinking ...

Offline Acca

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19737 on: October 27, 2013, 01:06:48 PM »
 Below are links to the Kapanadze demo my old clips ..
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Upyz64O8mA
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4hMaf5T1UA
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV6ZalMDkeA
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhGVXVP_k6w
 
Wesley interview in Russian about Kapanadze..
 
Интервью с Wesley, продолжение
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O1fLBMW0h0
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-lLDt1NjcY
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG8YnsZNA3c
 
 
Acca….


latest schematic from Roman.  "Akula0082"

Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19738 on: October 27, 2013, 09:30:30 PM »
Just thinking a bit more ...

What is the difference between an ordinary electric power generator that provides a lot of amps and one that provides less amps (while the voltage stays the same)? It is the size, isn't it? Bigger size means the coils in the generator are wound with thicker wire. Thicker wire means less internal resistance, thus it can provide more amps.

As a matter of fact, the only way to get a lot of amps out (more out than in) is, that the load has to »see« the power source as a low ohmic source. And I think this is regardless of whether the low internal resistance of the power source is real or just apparent (for the load at a given frequency).

Of course low output resistance is only half the battle. The other half is the energy input because energy cannot come from nothing. Since assumingly the energy input comes from the Earth's electric field (my favored energy source), this electric field has to be accessed in a very high ohmic mode, because it has no (low ohmic) connector on its positive plate (it has a negative ground plate only) contrary to the two plates (negative and positive) of an ordinary (charged) capacitor. Therefore the high impedance of the input circuit (transformer's primary coil) must not be affected by the low impedance of the resonant output LC circuit (transformer's secondary coil).

Hence the task should be to use high voltage in order to lock on to the Earth's (inexhaustible) electric field, to do this with a non-closed circuit in order to have an infinite high input impedance, to convert the energy of the electric field into a magnetic field which then feeds a resonant 50Hz LC circuit in order to create a low apparent output resistance which then can supply high current to a connected load.

Sounds rather simple so far, doesn't it? :)

Offline NickZ

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19739 on: October 27, 2013, 09:54:37 PM »
   Zeitmaschine:
  As we have seen on Igor Moroz's videos, while using an induction heater oscillator, he can light 2000 watts halogen bulbs, while only drawing 500 to 600 watts. While his secondary output wires are hair thin, several meters long, and are giving no shocks at all. So, there may be more to this than meets the eye, or when compared to normal closed systems.
  He is mentioning a "recuperation of energy", which is not coming from the Aether, nuclear decay, or a grid source, but from pre-charged batteries, and a capacitor bank. May be similar to what we see TK doing with his cap bank. Or not...
  However, if 2000 watts of bulbs are being lit, and the battery only has X amount of charge, then where is the extra energy coming from? I agree with your surrounding ambient Aether idea, as the explanation.