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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13961935 times)

Offline Grumage

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19710 on: October 25, 2013, 10:56:29 PM »
But »nicked from the universe« would sound surely more sophisticated and future-oriented, I think. 8)

Bank of 3-phase capacitors. For 50Hz resonance or just for fun?

Could be C1 in the drawing above.

Dear Zeitmaschine.

With regard to your recent posts, take a look at this...http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/3.html

Very interesting??  :)

Cheers Grum.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19711 on: October 25, 2013, 11:25:53 PM »
... total impedance drops to zero!

Exactly! The series impedance of the coil and C1 is zero at 50Hz but because there should be an energy input from ground due to the high voltage resonance of the same coil we then should have a power source (the series resonant circuit) with zero internal resistance (meaning unlimited energy in theory).

Except it does not work, then we will have just a nice smoke cloud (as usual). ::)

But at least this setup complies with »so simple you'll laugh«. ;D

Actually I think this could be an impedance transformer (converter) of some kind. The input (HV) impedance is infinite (not even a closed circuit) whereas the output impedance is zero (at 50Hz).

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19712 on: October 26, 2013, 05:13:38 AM »
Dear Zeitmaschine.

With regard to your recent posts, take a look at this...http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/3.html

Interesting reference article.

It indicates that L and C should be in series.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19713 on: October 26, 2013, 05:38:53 AM »
But »nicked from the universe« would sound surely more sophisticated and future-oriented, I think. 8)

Bank of 3-phase capacitors. For 50Hz resonance or just for fun?

Could be C1 in the drawing above.
http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/129071/

Zeitmaschine,

looking at the wiring for the capacitors on the bottom-right of the picture (you provided), it appears that there's 2 capacitors wired in series (labelled I and II).

With 12 capacitors in total, if one assume all of the capacitors are wired in pairs, that makes 6 sets of capacitors in total.
ie. 2 sets per phase, with possibly one set used on the primary side & one on the secondary.

Do you agree?.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19714 on: October 26, 2013, 09:24:04 AM »
@ above,

Thinking about Kapanadze device again and stimulated by the above photo, in a purely speculative way, I will speak having two conditions in mind.

1) All the current supplied to the load, 50 Hz or so, is equal with the current oscillating in the ground wire.
2) The current oscillating back and forth, via one wire, is stored to a internal capacitance.

Said that, have you ever thought about the kind of capacitance we are talking about for such a 5Kw device? Let me start talking otherwise..

a) A Typical Tesla coil LC circuit with specifics (powering a load) : topload capacitance of 100pf, 20 Kv voltage, 125Khz frequency, it can max output over a suitable resistance some 5Kw and having a ground current of approximately 0.5amp according my calculations.
(note we are talking about energy transfer not energy creation in this case)

b) Kapanadze's device that will output 5kw working at 50 Hz will need some 800+ uf alternating at 360v p-p. Of course with a frequency of 400Hz will be needed 1/8 of that capacitance. In both cases ground wire current will be around 28 amps. (This matches with some indications)

In such case, HUGE capacitances are involved not to mention again the problem with charging such capacitances via one wire ( one terminal oscillator) in a relative low frequency!! :D 

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19715 on: October 26, 2013, 11:42:30 AM »
looking at the wiring for the capacitors on the bottom-right of the picture (you provided), it appears that there's 2 capacitors wired in series (labelled I and II).
But not connected as it seems because one wire is cut. And that indicates that a precise capacitance is needed here (to get resonance).

2) The current oscillating back and forth, via one wire, is stored to a internal capacitance.
Why not to an internal inductance? A resonant LC circuit needs a capacitance and an inductance. Therefore the energy can be stored in the magnetic field. How do we calculate that?

Regards :)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19716 on: October 26, 2013, 12:10:33 PM »
Interesting reference article.

It indicates that L and C should be in series.

Dear Haan.

Also note that the same formula for calculating resonance can be used for "SIMPLE" series or parallel circuits!! :)

Cheers Grum.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19717 on: October 26, 2013, 12:23:45 PM »
But not connected as it seems because one wire is cut. And that indicates that a precise capacitance is needed here (to get resonance).

It only appears to be cut because of the low image resolution resulting in pixelation.

I thought you would comment on the 6 sets of capacitors observed ...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19718 on: October 26, 2013, 01:45:05 PM »
I see this as a clear cut. These two capacitors are connected in series and not 3-phase. So they are apparently not for the same purpose like the others (if they where connected at all). The white wire on the right side goes to a different direction (upwards) than the other white wires. Maybe they are for the second resonance with higher frequency thus the series connection which lowers the capacitance.

Question: When the device is a 3-phase one then it works most likely with a 3-phase transformer. But does each phase then need a separated high voltage input or just one high voltage input (and therefore just one high voltage resonance) for all 3 phases together?


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19719 on: October 26, 2013, 02:33:59 PM »
Why not to an internal inductance? A resonant LC circuit needs a capacitance and an inductance. Therefore the energy can be stored in the magnetic field. How do we calculate that?

Regards :)

SImply because internal inductance poses no problem. Its easily made. Internal capacitance of huge figures for a single terminal oscillator is an impossibility!

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19720 on: October 26, 2013, 05:19:56 PM »
... total impedance drops to zero!

Exactly! The series impedance of the coil and C1 is zero at 50Hz but because there should be an energy input from ground due to the high voltage resonance of the same coil we then should have a power source (the series resonant circuit) with zero internal resistance (meaning unlimited energy in theory).

Except it does not work, then we will have just a nice smoke cloud (as usual). ::)

But at least this setup complies with »so simple you'll laugh«. ;D

Actually I think this could be an impedance transformer (converter) of some kind. The input (HV) impedance is infinite (not even a closed circuit) whereas the output impedance is zero (at 50Hz).


here what it is:
  in any circuit you have capacitive reactance, iductive reactance  and resistivity of the physical material used.
at series resonant circuit
 the best explanation  for you would be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqhV50852jA


yes in series resonance  in the frequency of resonance circuit act as short heaving only pure resistive character  showing resistive reaction and acting as dissipative load or part of the load of total  load if any.


but the problem is that in any series circuit or  parallel circuit you have presence of any combination of circuits at the same time.THAT IS DUE TO ITS OWN
IMPURITIES IN CHARACTER OF THE CIRCUIT.
For example you can have HP 4194A  impedance gain  phase analyzer that will give you for any circuit
series
or
parallel
or
serious-paralel
properties of the same circuit at the same  resonance  frequency.


So if majority of the circuit is series for that  particular frequency as character of the circuit
(a part from  the fact that  in reality there is coil and  there is  capacitor connected in series)
 is in series resonance there still will be presence of properties of other  forms for resonance configuration  but NOT IN RESONANCE IN THAT TIME yet still present and still affecting the  circuit.


Wesley


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19721 on: October 26, 2013, 06:01:06 PM »
  I would also tend to agree that that wire on the left bottom capacitor has been cut, and is NOT connected.
  Here is a slightly enhanced version of the picture. Look again...
 

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19722 on: October 26, 2013, 08:50:16 PM »
Mr Semenihin, the diagram has errors.
What is the role of the mosfet?
 

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19723 on: October 26, 2013, 09:25:25 PM »
So if majority of the circuit is series for that  particular frequency as character of the circuit
(a part from  the fact that  in reality there is coil and  there is  capacitor connected in series)
 is in series resonance there still will be presence of properties of other  forms for resonance configuration  but NOT IN RESONANCE IN THAT TIME yet still present and still affecting the  circuit.
Is this good or is this bad? ???
 
The apparent resistance of the 50Hz series LC circuit goes to zero at resonance. Normally this would mean a short circuit and hence zero voltage. But since the coil L of the LC circuit is a power source by itself (due to the 100KHz resonance of the high voltage input) it could be a whole different picture. The coil L is in parallel resonance with the second capacitor at high(er) frequency. So there should be a voltage across that coil L although from the 50Hz point of view the apparent resistance is zero (or near zero). But a (50Hz) voltage source with low (near zero) internal resistance can provide a lot of power. Unfortunately this is not a typical power source (like a power generator) so I'm not sure about that.

Are there any references describing a LC circuit wherein L itself acts as a power source?


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19724 on: October 26, 2013, 09:39:12 PM »
   To:    baroutologos   Wow it looks like you do not add any thing of value to any of the posts like just in the  examples below !! just from last few posts and you have alienated stupify12… Say something GOOD … negative is bad !!! especially here .. as this forum for NEW ideas !!! go elsewhere if  you are NEGATIVE  detractor !!    Yah !! this is my OPINION !! and I have my right here to post this also !!    and  I been here since page 150 on this thread !!   
Quotes from “baroutologos”
 
“I will reftrain from theorizing”
 
“I have run royers with no series inductance at all, but with seriously impaired efficiency”
 
“There is not a single instance that a Tesla bifilar coil has shown any extraordinary property”
 
“Have any fresh evidence to show or just you speak in the merit of theorizing?”
 
“typical behavior of a know it all freshstarter..
 The point is not to tell me i am wrong. The point is to show to me and the forum with facts & figures, photos and videos.”
 
 ”If that are too much for you and cannot tolerate some mild critique arisen from your statements.. then See you around”
 
“Internal capacitance of huge figures for a single terminal oscillator is an impossibility!”
 
“For vintage purposes, having almost a year or so, today coincided to review kapanadze's original video.”
 
 ”It gave me the impression, the whole device is revolving around a thick black ground cable that is connected firstly to the water pipe and afterwards with diminishing results (?) to the buried radiator.
 Excepting the possibility this is a illusion, all it has to do with ground. Heavily relying on the ground. No high amperage from ground, no fun.”
 
 Acca ….[/font]