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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13974393 times)

Offline verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19635 on: October 21, 2013, 11:45:07 PM »
It is caused by resonant rise in the absence of a load. If you want to see the schematic below in motion, take a look at this circuit simulation animation in Java.

While I'm at it, rotate your core 90º so the split is vertical and not under the windings.  Do not change the position of your primary windings - only change the position of your core. This will facilitate the alternating attraction and repulsion of core halves when we later make the currents in these two windings, out of phase. 
It doesn't take much imagination to realize that such field arrangement will cause the halves to vibrate strongly as they slam into each other, on each attraction cycle (most strongly at their mechanical resonance frequency).
« Last Edit: October 22, 2013, 01:45:38 AM by verpies »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19636 on: October 22, 2013, 12:19:43 AM »
I'll reply to your electronic question shortly.  Most likely, it is caused by resonant rise.  I need to check how long BOTH transistors stay open with those component values.

While I'm at it, rotate your core 90º so the split is vertical and not under the windings.  Do not change the position of your primary windings - only change the position of your core.

Dear Verpies.

Thanks again. It is very late here!! I will alter the rotation tomorrow and let you know the results.  :)

Cheers Grum.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19637 on: October 22, 2013, 09:44:59 AM »
Dear Verpies...
Could you please explain why I am seeing such an excess of voltage than what I would normally expect.

Thank you in anticipation.

Cheers Grum.


I do not know... what i know is that every Royer oscillator i made, and i made quite a few, mostly with MOSFETS but some with plain bipolar transistors, the resonant rise of the LC (primary, center tapped topology) was restricted to double voltage p-p per winding leg or x4 p-p voltage for the whole coil (both legs) in reference of supply voltage (DC, battery value). I noticed no more voltage can be resonant risen since the source -batteries- would not supply any current due to "balance" of incoming voltage to coil's voltage.

Verpies.. what do you mean by resonant rise in a royer oscillator the coils can develop... as much voltage as they like? :P

ps: I see the o-scope shot is not a clean sine wave rather a distorted one. This means heavy saturation in my view. With those component values i would expect an audio frequency rather than 93 or so KHz. That means you drive the core to heavy saturation having the inductance almost nullified.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19638 on: October 22, 2013, 11:28:57 AM »
... what i know is that every Royer oscillator i made, and i made quite a few, mostly with MOSFETS but some with plain bipolar transistors, the resonant rise of the LC (primary, center tapped topology) was restricted to double voltage p-p per winding leg or x4 p-p voltage for the whole coil (both legs) in reference of supply voltage (DC, battery value). I noticed no more voltage can be resonant risen since the source -batteries- would not supply any current due to "balance" of incoming voltage to coil's voltage.
That's true when the circuit is loaded.

Verpies.. what do you mean by resonant rise in a royer oscillator the coils can develop... as much voltage as they like? :P
In an ideal circuit -  yes.  In practical circuits, any resistance in the primary or a load across secondary will limit those values.

Take a look at the fragment of the Royer's circuit below with the irrelevant parts grayed out (as if the SPDT switch S1 was in the middle position).  Note that only two inductors and a capacitors remain in the circuit and together they form an LC tank.  This LC circuit can oscillate at any amplitude that S1 pumps it up to.  There is no limit to it in an ideal circuit.

ps: I see the o-scope shot is not a clean sine wave rather a distorted one. This means heavy saturation in my view. With those component values i would expect an audio frequency rather than 93 or so KHz.
That's because the switching frequency of S1 is not precisely matched to the self oscillation frequency of the two inductors and the capacitors, that are not grayed out.  If I controlled S1 through a real feedback like in a full Royer, then it would be matched.  The values are scaled x1000 for the ease of the simulation, so don't be preoccupied with them and the absolute frequency. The ferromagnetic mutual inductance and saturation is not simulated either, to simplify the sim.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19639 on: October 22, 2013, 12:35:53 PM »
@a.king21, I agree with your ideas just need to experiment this weekend. playing with coils gets no where without a few different and unusual ways to put the whole lot together. Looking back at the bedroom vid and green box vid it is obvious as you previously stated there is no Tesla transformer as such, so other avenues must be tried.It still might be Tesla just a different patent or idea of his put together by Kapanadze to get desired result.
Regards
Keith

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19640 on: October 22, 2013, 01:12:37 PM »
@a.king21, I agree with your ideas just need to experiment this weekend. playing with coils gets no where without a few different and unusual ways to put the whole lot together. Looking back at the bedroom vid and green box vid it is obvious as you previously stated there is no Tesla transformer as such, so other avenues must be tried.It still might be Tesla just a different patent or idea of his put together by Kapanadze to get desired result.
Regards
Keith
My advice is to put an energy reclamation circuit into the oscillator.
One way is to use a 1:1 trafo into a bridge to charge a battery.
Another way is to put a battery at lower voltage than the oscillator in series in the circuit (the Bedini way).
ANother way is to run your circuit through a Tesla primary (2  turns ! lol) and output to a bifilar tesla secodary disruptively into a cap and then power something.
Just some ideas based on my experiments.


BTW Benitez's 4 battery system has been replicated a couple of times.
He uses static mixing through a fast HV  capacitor in the pf range to get OU.
Then the magic happens. When you put a load on the oscillator the reclamation circuit charges more.
Be careful it's dangerous.
It's pure Benitez.
When I put a 300 watt load across the Benitez tank circuit the charge battery was charged by 300 watts
and the primary battery was depleted by 300 watts. So cop 2.
You could hear the battery "breathing" . Very spooky.


Be careful. Batteries can blow up under those currents.
Hail Benitez: Gotta love that man.



« Last Edit: October 22, 2013, 06:20:57 PM by a.king21 »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19641 on: October 22, 2013, 01:18:02 PM »
Hi, Keith!
Kapanadze use 6 to 60 windings in his "transformer"(green box video). Inside transformer "probably" are magnets and bifilar coils= 10 pieces.
Let`s try to think about. This transformer give 10X more voltage and IT IS TESLA principle!
We see no core!, between! What is inside? I have old picture with this coil and schematic of generator- probably original, but I don`t know. I can put this picture here if "forum" want it. This picture maybe was here in Kapanadze 5 KW topic? Only what I know is in these days the idea of "long wires" and BackEMF dies... :-(

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19642 on: October 22, 2013, 01:29:01 PM »
@a.king21, Will read up up on Benitez, thanks

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19643 on: October 22, 2013, 01:30:37 PM »
@Ansis,Hi yes anything you think will help with right direction.
Regards
Keith

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19645 on: October 22, 2013, 01:58:39 PM »
OK, here it is:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15799961/Kapanadze%20zimejums%202.jpg

Thanks for posting this. It looks strange enough to be the real McCoy, a bit like an old treasure map  ;D Can you translate the text for us?

I'm wondering if the ten circular ferrites / magnets are somehow resonating to low frequency earth currents and inducing voltage into the ten coils??

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19646 on: October 22, 2013, 02:08:32 PM »
To all members!
I think the "principle" is Lightning to the main lines....
It means- long lines (today many 230V lines are not "open", but cables) in outside the town... in the village regions are very heavy "bombarded" with lightning in the period of thunder. It`s about April- August. In this period Lightning is very regular and in country home of ours there are very many damage after this happens...SatTV, IR Sensors, LED lamps, "Daylight" lamps end so on. Somehow this can do "good job" for us and Kapanadze do that!

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19647 on: October 22, 2013, 02:13:16 PM »
To, Hoppy!
It`s partly Russian/ Georgian :-)
I can do that in simple manner...
But I have no "skills" in PhotoShop :-)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19648 on: October 22, 2013, 02:16:12 PM »
@Ansis, thanks looks interesting, especially the small loop around the outer coil at the top of picture. I noticed this on Kapanadze coils, but dismissed as just holding cables during construction. Any idea what this does special?
Regards
Keith     PS. I bought 20 ferrite rings from Russia 3 years ago so will find them out to use.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #19649 on: October 22, 2013, 02:16:30 PM »
That's true when the circuit is loaded.
In an ideal circuit -  yes.  In practical circuits, any resistance in the primary or a load across secondary will limit those values.


hello Verpies,

I do not exactly recall things that way.. I remember an idling royer will top voltage in the LC circuit (we are not talking about any secondaries connected) at x4 p-p from source voltage and wont go any higher.. having a minimum input in the same time to overcome losses. Typical royer circuits will consume at that zero load equilibrium 10-100mAps at typical 12v input. (depending resistance and oscillating current magnitude)

When an load is connected across a secondary this x4 p-p will fall a bit and cause much greater current to be inputed at the primary side (depending the voltage drop)
this is my understanding of the simple two transistor royer.

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Once i had made an assemble of a midlle taped LC circuit with two transistors operated by an SG3524 IC. Then it is obviously seen that if the frequency is not matched of the natural LC, then every kind of distortion is seen and heavy losses also.
The plain Royer (every transistor base is connected to the opposite side of the LC circuit)  is a self tuned one, that means it changes frequency depending the load that increases current and causes some to heavy saturation in the core. A royer's lower frequency would be at idling. So i see as unlikely event the switching frequency of the transistors in that topology to be mismatched in relation to LC. It has to do with saturation in my view and experience or bad transistor switching.

Anyone has any royer handy?

ps: A parallel LC circuit, at resonance has infinite impedance... right? Maybe this means for a given oscillating voltage input, it will be developed a counter voltage and not go at infinite voltage values as suggested..right?