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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 12231641 times)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #18450 on: August 02, 2013, 03:24:12 PM »
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« Reply #18451 on: August 02, 2013, 03:26:43 PM »
What about patent WO2013104041 A1
Where are the drawings/diagrams from this patent?

Maybe the yoke device also captures electrons from free space as logical explanation where energy comes from...
Electrons cannot be collected like eggs.
If you catch one, it will repel the next one... overcoming this repulsion consumes energy.  No logic here.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #18452 on: August 02, 2013, 03:56:57 PM »
Electrons cannot be collected like eggs.
If you catch one, it will repel the next one... it takes energy to overcome this repulsion.

You need to think outside of the box.
What happens when you create electrostatic charge? Which particles are being attracted to positive end?
The electostatic charge is easily created by oscilating high voltage. This is exactly what Tesla coil can do. So it got biggest space possible on top of the coil to collect neutral particles from surrounding air...

The possible real one on this principle was "The TREC" in http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt7.html

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #18452 on: August 02, 2013, 03:56:57 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #18453 on: August 02, 2013, 04:20:30 PM »
Where are the drawings/diagrams from this patent?
Electrons cannot be collected like eggs.
If you catch one, it will repel the next one... overcoming this repulsion consumes energy.  No logic here.
Maybe Brazilian electrons behave differently; EVOLUÇÕES ENERGIA LTDA

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #18454 on: August 02, 2013, 06:50:09 PM »
collecting electrons, isn't that the purpose of a capacitor?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #18455 on: August 02, 2013, 07:30:02 PM »
collecting electrons, isn't that the purpose of a capacitor?

... or purpose of the spark gap?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #18456 on: August 02, 2013, 07:34:35 PM »
   I found some eggs.  They are in the room temperature plasma we call conductors.  A gamma detector for very high frequency pulse detectors is comprised of a spark gap pumped up to very high voltage.   The gamma radiation's ELECTRIC field distorts the linear electric field of the gap.   This results in TWO plasma waves in the CONDUCTORS.  Light to electricity.

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« Reply #18457 on: August 02, 2013, 11:25:41 PM »
hi for all

Know someone who this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5bR6BSA72w


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« Reply #18458 on: August 02, 2013, 11:33:56 PM »
   I found some eggs.  They are in the room temperature plasma we call conductors.  A gamma detector for very high frequency pulse detectors is comprised of a spark gap pumped up to very high voltage.   The gamma radiation's ELECTRIC field distorts the linear electric field of the gap.   This results in TWO plasma waves in the CONDUCTORS.  Light to electricity.

we can say spark gap is itself one kind of capacitors, yes?

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« Reply #18458 on: August 02, 2013, 11:33:56 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #18459 on: August 03, 2013, 02:14:21 AM »
You need to think outside of the box.
And I do, but ignoring the box does not make it disappear.

What happens when you create electrostatic charge?
I don't know how to create charge. Do you?
I only know how to move it from one place to another and not for free.

Which particles are being attracted to positive end?
Electrons and negative ions.  Unfortunately they neutralize the"positive end" when they get to it, and it takes work to rebuild it.

The electrostatic charge is easily created by oscillating high voltage.
Yes, an antinode of a standing wave is positive (a standing wave is a result of reflection).
Standing waves are not free, though.  They require work to be established or reestablished after their antinodes are neutralized by electrons or anions.

So it got biggest space possible on top of the coil to collect neutral particles from surrounding air...
Neutral particles or negative particles?
Every collected electron or anion neutralizes the "positive end" of the waveguide/coil a little and additional work must be done to reestablish it.
Those coils collect electrons and anions all right, but that collection process neutralizes the cathode, thus there is no free lunch in it.

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« Reply #18460 on: August 03, 2013, 02:29:43 AM »
The gamma radiation's ELECTRIC field distorts the linear electric field of the gap.   This results in TWO plasma waves in the CONDUCTORS.  Light to electricity.
Unfortunately gamma rays or light need to arrive from external sources.
If you could cause gamma emission from nuclei, then you'd have plentiful matter-to-energy conversion. (e.g. Colman style)

Electron or ion avalanche in a spark gap by itself does not buy a free lunch.  That's why nobody (not even Sparks) has never succeeded in creating excess energy from an arc discharge.

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« Reply #18461 on: August 03, 2013, 02:43:09 AM »
collecting electrons, isn't that the purpose of a capacitor?
No, charge is not an electric potential difference and charge is not synonymous with electrons, despite that all electrons, protons and ions are charged.

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« Reply #18462 on: August 03, 2013, 03:56:01 AM »
Electrons and negative ions.  Unfortunately they neutralize the"positive end" when they get to it, and it takes work to rebuild it.
Yes, when they get to it. But what if the electrons do not get to it, because something (50Hz circuit with connected load) intercepts them before they can neutralize the positive end?

In the electron trap patent there is no galvanic connection between the positive end which attracts the electrons and the source of the electrons (negative ground) if I understand the drawings correctly.

BTW: Interesting statement in this context from cosmoLV: »Also output transformer is not transformer but choke where High voltage are producing light ionisation second "inductor" produces light magnetic field who is produced by (sparkgap) No more than 2000 triggered volts in frequency of 50 Hz (or by your choice, for example 60Hz) «

This description fits the Barbosa patent very nicely.

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« Reply #18463 on: August 03, 2013, 02:23:42 PM »
Yes, when they get to it. But what if the electrons do not get to it, because something intercepts them before they can neutralize the positive end?
That's a good question.  It certainly is possible to intercept or deflect the incoming electrons (see the attached photo of ions/electrons in a spark being deflected by a magnet).

However, those intercepted electrons constitute negative charge which is continually attracted to the cathode via the electric field. Taking this intercepted charge away from the cathode requires work (as much work as was gained), thus no free lunch here.

It is important to remember that electrons carry potential electric energy (PE) in the form of charge separation (e.g. in a capacitor).
This potential energy can be converted into kinetic energy (KE) (because electrons have mass) by allowing the electron to be accelerated by the attractive electric field of the charge separation.

When this acceleration happens, the PE decreases and the KE increases. If the electron did not radiate photons as it is accelerated then PE + KE = Constant.

In the electron trap patent there is no galvanic connection between the positive end which attracts the electrons and the source of the electrons (negative ground) if I understand the drawings correctly.
If the charge of an electron is neutralized before it arrives at the cathode (e.g. by an encounter with a positive proton) then the cathode ("positive end") will not be neutralized and will be capable of attracting further electrons.  The kinetic energy gained by electrons in this process will not disappear, though. Can be utilzed later...
The problems with this method is that positive protons do not come for free :(

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #18464 on: August 03, 2013, 04:09:32 PM »
hi for all

Know someone who this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5bR6BSA72w
I do know him but this might help:
Possible circuit from link in youtube http://library.liberaenergio.org/directory/mrstanlez/
http://library.liberaenergio.org/files/mrstanlez/2012/06-jun/2012-05-27/Kapanadze%20-%20Before%20HV%20test.mp4
http://library.liberaenergio.org/files/mrstanlez/2012/07-jul/29/Mini-kapanadze%20resonator.zip
 
He's from north-eastern Slovakia (at least from album of photos).

Also I did not found any progress in his files. There are only different things tried and no successful replications.

P.S> It intrigued me for an hour but with these findings there is nothing new...

 

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