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Offline NickZ

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17025 on: April 17, 2013, 08:15:02 PM »
   Verpies:
   You are comparing apples with pears. Your betavoltaic example, which were mostly using low voltage galvanics as the electricity production means, and/or Hydrogen Isotopes don't relate to gamma decay. Nor did they produce any real useful current output, anything like 10kw, or so.

  As far as I know or have seen the Edison Battery idea has not been replicated to produce the 10kw, by anyone else, lately. Have the Colman tests been replicated?

  How can you say that X-rays emitted from Crt tubes are non-harmful, how can you be so sure. First time I've heard of this. People have died from exposure x-ray radiation, although possibly not from Tv sets.
Same thing with cell phones? Not harmful? It may take years before any real conclusive evidences are obtained.
 
  When one bangs a ferrite coil with extreme HV, combined with short wave emissions, a broadband of radiations can be obtained. Without an means to control it. How can anyone really know what the outcome will be.  Will you be the one to test this... just put Al foil over it.
Tk has foiled his walls, must be for a reason.  The diagram presented previously showed that foil will not stop certain types of radiation, that only lead would. I don't know if this is correct, but, who will be the one to find out. Wesley feels that this is safer than his successful yoke coil experiments, that he was scared to follow up on.
  a.king has also mentioned no such radiation poisoning related disorders noticed by his group.

  Magnetic resonant current passes through most anything.  Especially through ones entire body, concrete walls, etz...

  I admit that there are many things that I don't know.  That is the point...

  But, to relate Alfa/Beta/Gamma radiation experiment with what TK was doing, is stretching it a bit.  He was stating that the energy comes from the ambient, not a destructive and possibly dangerous radioactive decay process.  If he was wrong, why can't ANYONE replicate ANY of his experiments using only similar old junk parts, like he showed, just to prove the point???  He was not needing to use two signal generators, special frequencies, and "special ferrite cores".  Only an old dead car battery/inverter set up, or just a regular 9v battery, to kick start what appeared to be just regular air coils combined with an ordinary air gap. The trick as Zeit has mentioned, may be in the wiring, as also repeatedly mentioned by SM, on his many TPU devices. This is what I feel we still need to focus on.

  We are deviating from the TK tests into unknown and dangerous areas, even though there may be some similarities.
  The ideas of only fake devices to fool people into advancing money, has stopped us from finding the true effect generation and working causes of the Kapanadze experiments.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17026 on: April 17, 2013, 09:30:36 PM »
Seebeck Effect requires a close contact between two dissimilar metals and a large temperature difference between them.
Kapanadze Motor does not satisfy either of these conditions. Those 3 videos clearly show people touching those disks with naked hands, without getting burned.
And without getting frozen? Actually the Peltier effect is more of interest here since the input is not heat but a magnetic field, and the output is not electric current but mechanical work.

Also, the Seebeck effect is a very weak effect (proportional to the surface area of the metal junction) and is incapable of producing 1kW of power with those metal junction contact areas and concealable temperature gradients.
But nevertheless something is capable of producing 1kW of power here.

Finally, the 1st video shows two brass disks (no dissimilar metals)
Says who?

I strongly suspect what those vibrations are but you'd not like my explanation. Anyway it is not Seebeck effect noise.
But those vibrations have to do something with the generation of the mechanical energy, I suspect. Otherwise there would be no need for the foam.

I hate to rain on your parade,
Nothing else expected. ::)

but the only Seebeck junctions in such configuration would be the tiny points of contact where the coil wound on the shaft touches the disks (the area of wire crossection).
This reminds me on a crystal detector consisting of a thin wire that lightly touches a crystal of semiconducting mineral. But regardless of its tiny points this configuration has a huge impact on how the current goes through it. Hmmm ...

Also, as soon as two plates of a capacitor are connected with a conductor (the coil on the shaft), the capacitor stops being a capacitor.
Now that's odd. A capacitor connected to a coil stops being a capacitor? ???

Finally, the 50cm distance between the disk surfaces would make the eventual capacitance between those disks miniscule especially when the dielectric is predominantly air.
This depends on the frequency. Unfortunately no measurements were taken.

If there are no belts in the pillow blocks, then the HF stimulation of the disks should be significant to the method of device operation.
So, and what exactly is this method of device operation? Has there been a replication attempt so far? Two rotating discs on a shaft and not the slightest attempt for replication yet? Maybe it's so simple that no one can imagine that this works.





So where is the Schlaraffenland device? After over 1001 pages of arabian nights storytelling, I expect some serious shit and replications, otherwise I must assume the Kapanadze device is utter bullshit.
It is bullshit in a tin can. ;D

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17027 on: April 17, 2013, 09:40:26 PM »
   Verpies:
   You are comparing apples with pears. Your betavoltaic example, which were mostly using low voltage galvanics as the electricity production means, or/or  hydrogen isotopes don't relate to gamma decay. Nor did they produce any real useful current output, anything like 10kw, or so.
  As far as I know or have seen the Edison Battery idea has not been replicated to produce the 10kw, by anyone. Have the Colman tests been replicated?

  How can you say that X-rays emitted from Crt tubes are non-harmful, how can you be so sure. First time I've heard of this. People have died from exposure x-ray radiation, although possibly not from Tv sets.
Same thing with cell phones? Not harmful? It may take years before any real conclusive evidences are obtained.
 
  When one bangs a ferrite coil with extreme HV, combined with short wave emissions, a broadband of radiations can be obtained. Without an means to control it. How can anyone really know what the outcome will be.  Will you be the one to test this... just put Al foil over it.
Tk has foiled his walls, must be for a reason.  The diagram presented previously showed that foil will not stop certain types of radiation, that only lead would. I don't know if this is correct, but, who will be the one to find out. Wesley feels that this is safer than his successful yoke coil experiments, that he was scared to follow up on.
  a.king has also mentioned no such radiation poisoning related disorders noticed by his group.

  Magnetic resonant current passes through most anything.  Especially through ones entire body, concrete walls, etz...

  I admit that there are many things that I don't know.  That is the point...

  But, to relate Alfa/Beta/Gamma radiation experiment with what TK was doing, is stretching it a bit.  He was stating that the energy comes from the ambient, not a destructive and possibly dangerous radioactive decay process.  If he was wrong, why can't ANYONE replicate ANY of his experiments using only similar old junk parts, like he showed, just to prove the point???  He was not needing to use two signal generators, special frequencies, and "special ferrite cores".  Only an old dead car battery/inverter set up, or just a regular 9v battery, to kick start what appeared to be just regular air coils combined with an ordinary air gap. The trick as Zeit has mentioned, may be in the wiring, as also repeatedly mentioned by SM, on his many TPU devices. This is what I feel we still need to focus on.

  We are deviating from the TK tests into unknown and dangerous areas, even though there may be some similarities.
  The ideas of only fake devices to fool people into advancing money, has stopped us from finding the true effect generation and working causes of the Kapanadze experiments.

Dear NickZ.

As you no doubt have noticed by now, NMR is MY pet subject. I don't think that all the other members of this forum will agree. However this is my chosen route and I personally will assess any danger and proceed accordingly.

What I am trying to say here, is that each and every member of this group will have their own ideas and I for one will not stand in their way. We all have a freedom for expression here, so please DO carry on with your personal project and pass on what you learn.

I PM'd Verpies some weeks ago regarding this subject. I have to confess that mathematics is not my best subject and he agreed to help me....... But only if it was kept open for all to see. I too agreed to this as any findings will be of use to all. Isn't that what a forum is for?

So please Nick, let's not get personal, let's get experimenting!!

Cheers Grum.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17028 on: April 17, 2013, 09:45:45 PM »
  Maybe the BS is not in the can...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17029 on: April 17, 2013, 09:58:50 PM »
  Grum:
   I do understand, and value Verpies decision, but, you are not the only one involved, or that can be involved.
  I'm only adding my suggestions, which anyone is free to do with as they please.
My point has not been to get personal, only to be objective, as the TK experiments are one of the most important and potentially most useful projects of all time.
  I'm not trying to throw a monkey wrench into your works, so please do what you feel is best. 
  My point was that this other new direction, may take us even further away from finding the true reason that the Kapandze projects function.
  Time will tell... 


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17030 on: April 17, 2013, 11:45:01 PM »
  Maybe the BS is not in the can...
Then BS is everywhere but in the can. 8)

Sirius Documentary - 2013 Theatrical Trailer

So I'm waiting for our Space Family to bring FE along. Last resort if nothing helps.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17031 on: April 17, 2013, 11:52:06 PM »
Then BS is everywhere but in the can. 8)



I thought we had moved onto horse shit a few days ago  ;D

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17032 on: April 18, 2013, 12:07:21 AM »
  Or the BS has been in our minds.
  I'm also waiting for our space brothers to give us helping hand. I know they are out there (here too), and there was a reason that they could not do so, before. This has changed...
 
  Zeitmaschine:  I feel that you are a realist, as myself. But, money talks and Bs walks. At least thats how it been up to now.  But, patients is a virtue, one that I'm still working on.
  Would love to get into more experimenting, as Grum suggests. More in the sense of more output power. I still have not resolved the how or why the yokes can kick into higher resonance, when they feel like it, without my being able to control this, yet.
  Although I'm a talker, I've got my hands full also, 24/7 on 100% focus to resolve this FE issue. At least for myself, and anyone interested. Let's not give up, Heaven forbid!
   


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17033 on: April 18, 2013, 02:19:52 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e3RpsEZE14
Free Energy Генератор Свободной энергии с самозапиткой TUNGUS TS-TK



Tungus have made  Replication of Tariel Kapanadze without battery and without  ground


It contains famous yoke.
the only that paps to my mind is that that again  synchronization of resonance response is  due to properties of ferrite.
anyhow schematic is there
for you to replicate it/
Someone would ask what is the basis for that device to work?
 Well NMR I assume.
with transmutation on going to the yoke.


That what is important to know is that  device works  and schematic is   ready for you to work with.
If than device is replicable TK is done for good
But there is even more than  that.
TK might come with his secrets out as he has no choice.
 Let's see........
Verpies and others thank you very much for a lot   of education that  took place here.
For me the most important is   to know what is the basis of its work.
The guy does not explain   how to make it.
He  shows that ground is needed only to  "more bright light"- quote.


After today's session with Arunas and my friend John the conclusion is that istead of any additional dope  that would activate alpha particles 50MeV there is  ferrite that has it in it.
That would match SR device as well

Quote
And this is  material from Arunas:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e3RpsEZE14
 
: http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Doug_Konzen_%28Konehead%29_on_Self-Looped_Generators
"https://sites.google.com/site/alternativeworldenergy/shorting-coils-circuits


LOOK at the third circuit in the link [directly] above, for a "two stage" output circuit...the first circuit is something to find sine wave peaks, the 2nd circuit is a coil-shorting at peak circuit that also has pulse width adjust, too.


Here is simple shorting-coils-at-peaks circuit - this shows how TO FILL caps: https://sites.google.com/site/alternativeworldenergy/upright-alternator-circuits




LOOK at the diode-plug circuit in the diagram above. This should make perfect logical sense to you, and anyone else, if you follow the circuit. Note that the generator coil only FILLS CAPS. That's all it does. It NEVER sees the load. This eliminates Lenz-law lugging to a generator, for example, whenever a load is put on the system. THE ONLY lugging will occur when CAPS FILL UP...So fill caps via a method that does not lug the system when filling caps!!


One method is to SHORT COILS AT PEAKS, which fills up caps so fast you wouldn't believe, and outputting caps to load is simple as pie. Just use the two-stage or "diode plug" circuit. Another method to fill caps without lugging is the ROPMEROUK type Muller generator with magnets behind coil-cores. Another is the THANE type generators.


https://sites.google.com/site/alternativeworldenergy/




Have some fun, eh, on that radio show - "lump resistive load" without any sort of two-stage or diode plug cap-discharge output is how they HIDE OU! Whether intentionally or not...


[Remember that] Eugene Mallove was murdered the day after he was on Coast to Coast, so don't mention anything that might upset them, whoever they might be.


ciao
Konehead "
Wesley


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17034 on: April 18, 2013, 02:59:21 AM »
You are comparing apples with pears. Your betavoltaic example, which were mostly using low voltage galvanics as the electricity production means, and/or Hydrogen Isotopes don't relate to gamma decay.
No, I am illustrating that nuclear radiation can be converted to electric current with well known methods and some novel ones too.
Of course you are correct that Betavoltaics does nothing for gamma conversion - it works only with beta particles (not necessarily emitted by tritium) - that's the reason it is called BETAvoltaics.
It is obvious that alpha, beta and gamma all require different methods of conversion to electric current, but that's beside the point.  This conversion process is not the source of energy, nor anything new nor unusual.
Only the artificial stimulation of nuclear radiation is an anomaly.

Nor did they produce any real useful current output, anything like 10kw, or so.
That's only a matter of scaling it up or using other methods for conversion.

As far as I know or have seen the Edison Battery idea has not been replicated to produce the 10kw, by anyone else, lately. Have the Colman tests been replicated?
There is anecdotal evidence of that.  On this forum only Wesley have done that and Grumage might be getting close.

How can you say that X-rays emitted from Crt tubes are non-harmful, how can you be so sure. First time I've heard of this. People have died from exposure x-ray radiation, although possibly not from TV sets.
Same thing with cell phones? Not harmful? It may take years before any real conclusive evidences are obtained.
I never wrote that they are not harmful when they are uncontained.
I think that all EM radiation, beta, alpha and neutrons are harmful when they are not contained.

My point was not about their harmfulness but about the possibility of their conversion to electric current.
 
When one bangs a ferrite coil with extreme HV, combined with short wave emissions, a broadband of radiations can be obtained. Without an means to control it. How can anyone really know what the outcome will be.  Will you be the one to test this... just put Al foil over it.  Tk has foiled his walls, must be for a reason.  The diagram presented previously showed that foil will not stop certain types of radiation, that only lead would.
Aluminum foil will protect the operator only from alphas and betas.  Lead will stop gammas but it will convert betas to Xrays which is not a good thing.  So far we don't even know which one of them is emitted out of the activated Colman tube.

I don't know if this is correct, but, who will be the one to find out. Wesley feels that this is safer than his successful yoke coil experiments, that he was scared to follow up on.
I don't think it is safer.  In fact I don't think those devices are that much different.

a.king has also mentioned no such radiation poisoning related disorders noticed by his group.
Maybe it was well shielded already.

But, to relate Alfa/Beta/Gamma radiation experiment with what TK was doing, is stretching it a bit. 
Why? It can be done inadvertently without even considering nuclear decay. TK might have put a copper tube in some orthogonal primary windings and strong pulses appeared on the secondary.   He got sick so he put it in a tin can and problem solved.

He was stating that the energy comes from the ambient, not a destructive and possibly dangerous radioactive decay process. 
It might have looked to him that way, but all that time he was unknowingly converting mater to energy.
And even if he knew the truth, would he tell us this and allow us to replicate his device? 
I don't know, that's no longer science - that's psychology and sociology.

If he was wrong, why can't ANYONE replicate ANY of his experiments using only similar old junk parts, like he showed, just to prove the point???
Perhaps because all those who have tried believed in "energy from the ambient" and ignored the possibility that  the the energy may originate from matter conversion, e.g that unslotted copper tube that Hoppy mentioned.
If TK's devices are based on NMR then they would be notoriously hard to tune, just like the famous Yoke device. This would discourage most replication attempts, unless one knew what to look for.

He was not needing to use two signal generators,
Only one generator/oscillator is needed for NMR stimulation.  Two of them make it easier but are optional.  The LF gen can always be substituted with 50Hz mains transformer and aided by magnets.

special frequencies,
...but we don't know the waveforms in TK's devices because he does not allow anyone to connect an oscilloscope.  He even says that connecting a scope or SA would "reveal his secret" which is an indication that the waveforms are part of the secret (or that they would expose the Modus Operandi of his devices).

and "special ferrite cores". 
He might have found a way to stimulate ordinary materials such as brass and copper.

Only an old dead car battery/inverter set up, or just a regular 9v battery, to kick start what appeared to be just regular air coils combined with an ordinary air gap. The trick as Zeit has mentioned, may be in the wiring, as also repeatedly mentioned by SM, on his many TPU devices. This is what I feel we still need to focus on.
A short and strong nanopulse from a spark gap (or DSRD) is just what is needed to elicit NMR in common materials without the regard for magnetic flux density and frequency tunning, because a short pulse already contains many frequencies according to Mr. Fourier.  I call it the "gunshot approach" to NMR.

We are deviating from the TK tests into unknown and dangerous areas, even though there may be some similarities.
The word "deviate" suggest that there is some right path that needs to be followed, but frankly we don't know what the right path is.
Anything that fits into that tin can could be this "right path". 
For example, the experiments that Grumage is doing lately could easily fit into a tin can like that.

The ideas of only fake devices to fool people into advancing money, has stopped us from finding the true effect generation and working causes of the Kapanadze experiments.
These ideas also need to be considered to maintain the rigour, but frankly we are not certain how TK devices work and if they are fake or not. Wattsup provided pretty convincing evidence that one device was fake but it was not an inconvertible proof.

The "energy from the ambient" M.O. has been discussed for years and has not born fruit.
Isn't it time to give the "energy from matter" a chance, as long as it fits in the tin can and the junk around it?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17035 on: April 18, 2013, 03:15:38 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e3RpsEZE14
Free Energy Генератор Свободной энергии с самозапиткой TUNGUS TS-TK

Tungus states that he uses  concept of Generator Henreshot.

Tungus have made  Replication of Tariel Kapanadze without battery and without  ground


It contains famous yoke.
the only that paps to my mind is that that again  synchronization of resonance response is  due to properties of ferrite.
anyhow schematic is there
for you to replicate it/
Someone would ask what is the basis for that device to work?
 Well NMR I assume.
with transmutation on going to the yoke.


That what is important to know is that  device works  and schematic is   ready for you to work with.
If than device is replicable TK is done for good
But there is even more than  that.
TK might come with his secrets out as he has no choice.
 Let's see........
Verpies and others thank you very much for a lot   of education that  took place here.
For me the most important is   to know what is the basis of its work.
The guy does not explain   how to make it.
He  shows that ground is needed only to  "more bright light"- quote.


After today's session with Arunas and my friend John the conclusion is that istead of any additional dope  that would activate alpha particles 50MeV there is  ferrite that has it in it.
That would match SR device as well
Wesley



New development:
 I got response from Gentelman I assume that this is Tungus nick:Abajur 1977
and I'm confused
He states that video  belongs to Роман Карноухов Roman  Karnouchov

https://plus.google.com/u/0/103786798661176900671/posts

And there is the link to  this site - all of videos are deleted
My suggestion is made copies  now.
I'm inquiring permitting me to  translate that video to  English and post it.
So  It must be more  about author of it for me to state his name.


correction to new developement at 2:33am 2013
this was original name to the video
 Генератор Свободной энергии с самозапиткой TUNGUS TS-TK


 it was changed to
Free Energy Генератор Свободной энергии с самозапиткой akula0083


The link is the same
But schematic does not play at the end and  1  page instruction  to it how to make it.









« Last Edit: April 18, 2013, 08:37:43 AM by stivep »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17036 on: April 18, 2013, 03:41:49 AM »
Says who?
I do.  Please watch all 3 videos of these Kapanadze motors and let me know of you see a steel disk in all of them (or only brass).

But those vibrations have to do something with the generation of the mechanical energy, I suspect. Otherwise there would be no need for the foam. Nothing else expected. ::)
Unidirectional beta current pulse would produce a mechanical recoil and torque. If those pulses occurred at 50Hz it would create a vibration like we hear on that video without foam, when the disks are accelerating.
It would also produce a strong pulse of current in a secondary winding that was in the proximity of the discs - especially if these disks were held stationary.

Perhaps TK's subsequent stationary devices evolved out of these moving mechanical motors.
The beta current pulse sure would account for both outputs (mechanical and electric).

Now that's odd. A capacitor connected to a coil stops being a capacitor? ???
You're right, it does not in theory if there is even the slightest amount of dielectric remaining between capacitor's plates. 
It comes down to a distinction whether that conductive coil between the plates is a part of of the capacitor or an external component.

This depends on the frequency.
Capacitance does not depend on frequency. The reactance does depend on it, though.
Nonetheless, the capacitance of plates/disks separated in air is just a matter of geometry.  If you assume 50cm separation between the disks and 50cm diameter of those disks you will find out that the capacitance is minimal.

So, and what exactly is this method of device operation?
IMO, induction of brief unidirectional beta current pulses at the expense of matter.

Has there been a replication attempt so far? Two rotating discs on a shaft and not the slightest attempt for replication yet? Maybe it's so simple that no one can imagine that this works.
No. It would cost $1000 just for those brass disks and most people here believe that this motor works by "energy from ambient" or belts in pillow blocks - not by "energy from matter". 
This is effective in preventing the replication of this mechanical TK's device.
 

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17037 on: April 18, 2013, 03:54:45 AM »
If you have two discs separated by a coil and the coil is excited to resonance won't the
coil effectively have a capacitance at each end just like the top load on a Tesla coil ?

And also maybe build a galvanic voltage due to the reactance/impedance. Dunno about that. Just some sideways thinking.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17038 on: April 18, 2013, 04:08:05 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e3RpsEZE14

The large coil form in this video could hid batteries or other things,maybe fake.

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« Reply #17039 on: April 18, 2013, 04:13:20 AM »
   Verpies:
   Thank you for your very thoughtfully laid out explanation/opinion of your current working theories of these ferrite pulse devices and their possible working principals. 
  If I have been disrespectful to you, my apologies. That was never my intention.
   You have been more than considerate, and helpful.  Thank you again.

   Wesley:
   You have made my day, uploading the link to the new yoke device, no battery, or ground.  1.000.000 thanks to you my friend,  It has restored my faith and open my mind to endless possibilities. I can't thank you enough.
 Now we have no more excuses to hide behind.  I'm ready to go on it, so, lets all work together on this, as the team that we are. There is a light at the end of the tunnel, NOW.

   Nick_Z