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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 15116408 times)

Offline verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17010 on: April 17, 2013, 04:02:10 AM »
How has he proven this?
With a Geiger counter AFTER RF has ceased.

He has not shown an output, from his device. Even a tiny one.
Yes he has. Beta or gamma radiation IS an energy output.  Heat is too.
Electric current at some voltage also constitutes an energy output, but it is not the only form of energy in existence.

How has he proven this? He has not shown an output, from his device. Even a tiny one.
Yes he has, it just was not an output in the form of electric current.
In your question you seem to assume that the only energy output out of a device is electric current.

Even a CFL gives off radiation, so do cell phones, Tv, microwaves ovens, etz.. so what?
So what!?  The frequency of gamma is millions times higher than the radiation from those devices that you've mentioned.
Higher frequency represents higher energy photons and is very different.  Beta particles are much more energetic than any emanations from the devices you mentioned above, too.  And alphas top them all.

This does not lead to an electrical output, per se.
Yes, it does eventually. It's just a matter of conversion into electrical output.  e.g. see here.  Wesley has not gone that step yet but the energy has manifested itself.

I will be patient, as always, but mark my words, there will be no electrical output from beta decay.
There already was electric energy from beta decay 50 years ago and there still is.  There is a whole branch of science called Betavoltaics that deals with this.
Do you realize that beta particles are charged electrons moving close to the speed of light?  Charges in unidirectional motion = electric current!

Do you really think that the best of the worlds scientist and the best labs know about this, but aren't doing anything about it.  They could be make billions, but no, they aren't.
I don't do socio-political discussions.  Science/Physics only.

We can attribute this so called beta decay to whats producing an output. But, that may not really be the cause of this output, but a consequence of it, instead.
All that matters is that charged particles can be made to appear radiating out of matter when stimulated appropriately with RF or magnetic field + RF.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17011 on: April 17, 2013, 04:27:24 AM »
  quote:
   "All that matters is that speeding electrons can be made to appear radiating out of matter when stimulated appropriately".

  That may be all that matters to you, but, what matters to some,  or even most of us is IF this will actually lead to an electrical output. Not just spewing radiation of various unknown and possibly dangerous types out into near by space. And so far there is no indication of that.
  Crt Tv sets and monitors give out x-rays, which are next to gamma rays. Not a million times less.
  Betavoltaics - hydrogen isotopes mostly. Not the same thing.
  Let's just wait and see.  I hope that you are right, I really do. But, not counting on it.

  I am really counting on what Tariel has shown, and says, to be true.
This may all be the same thing, ultimately. We just don't know,  yet.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17012 on: April 17, 2013, 06:57:24 AM »
Solar flares are teleconnected to earthly radioactive decay:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/23/teleconnected-solar-flares-to-earthly-radioactive-decay/

Strange, Unexplained Solar Influence Over Earth's Radioactive Material Could Herald Solar Flares

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-08/strange-unexplained-solar-influence-over-earths-radioactive-material-could-herald-solar-flares

Very true indeed. Also NickZ comments. Even Einstein imagined matter particle as small vortex, and there is no vortex without outside field...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17013 on: April 17, 2013, 11:14:27 AM »
On the subject of trying unconventional 'out of the box' ideas, take a look at post 5975 where guest quartktoo insists that uninsulated copper tube is used inside TK's and others coils and that this tube is not slotted as convention would dictate. He says the ends of the tube are insulated with tape just to conceal it from view. Expanding on this, the aqua video shows this strange coil arrangement on the end of the co-ax coil. Is this coil wound over copper tube and sending induced current to the green transformer or maybe controlling current conducted through the tube or inducing current into the tube??  Something to ponder on and maybe experiment with.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17014 on: April 17, 2013, 01:00:38 PM »
Is this coil wound over copper tube and sending induced current to the green transformer or maybe controlling current conducted through the tube or inducing current into the tube??  Something to ponder on and maybe experiment with.
Yes.

Maybe this means nothing but since I love strange coincidences:

Sure it is a mere coincidence that Kapanadze's overunity motor works with a brass and a steel disc connected together and that such a construction with two dissimilar metals is also used to get the Seebeck effect.

And it is also a mere coincidence that there is a lot of insulation foam visible on and around the brass and steel discs, so as if differences in temperatures of these parts are an issue.

The narrator says the foam is there to reduce the noise. But what noise? The noise of two smooth rotating discs needs that extensive damping? Really?

Essentially these two disc are a capacitor, both plates connected via a coil between, resulting in an oscillating circuit and at the same time it is a Seebeck/Peltier element. So no wonder something strange could happen when this configuration is excited by means of a high frequency magnetic field (via the toroidal coil).

Anyone tried a replication yet? A small scale model should do it. :)

BTW: I don't think that TK encountered this by chance.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17015 on: April 17, 2013, 01:29:58 PM »
I don't know if you guys saw this schematic from russian forum

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17016 on: April 17, 2013, 01:45:37 PM »

Maybe this means nothing but since I love strange coincidences:



Overloaded transformer and shorted turn created by copper pipe leading to high current & NMR?. How to amplify / maintain (after 'kick-start'), control & process?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17017 on: April 17, 2013, 04:12:29 PM »
Thermoelectric materials(two dissimilar metals) can be assembled into mechanical structures which can transform heat to electrical energy. It will generate less electric power for the same heat flow and there is no chance to produce very much electrical power. Everyone knows about the thermoelectric generator its efficiency is very much low...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17018 on: April 17, 2013, 06:41:40 PM »
"All that matters is that speeding electrons can be made to appear radiating out of matter when stimulated appropriately".
That may be all that matters to you, but, what matters to some,  or even most of us is IF this will actually lead to an electrical output. Not just spewing radiation of various unknown and possibly dangerous types out into near by space. And so far there is no indication of that.
Conversion from high intensity alpha, beta or gamma to electric current is just another step in the process, and it is a proven process. It's the easy part and it's a sure thing and has been so for the last 50 years.

CRT TV sets and monitors give out x-rays, which are next to gamma rays. Not a million times less.
If you account for the miniscule intensity X-Rays out of CRTs then they can overlap with gamma or have 100 000 times smaller frequency.  See the attachment.  This frequency defines the energy of only one photon.  The number of photons (intensity) is completely unaccounted for in this comparison.

Betavoltaics - hydrogen isotopes mostly. Not the same thing.
Just because tritium is used most frequently, does not mean that other sources of beta particles do not work, too.
Betavoltaics is just an example that beta radiation can be and is readily converted to electric current.
Also, there are many other methods of conversion.

Ultimately there is no doubt that if intense radiation can be produced artificially, then it certainly can be converted to electric current one way or the other.

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« Reply #17019 on: April 17, 2013, 06:52:50 PM »
With or without the copper core ?
Anyway, at 175kHz this coil will have an impedance of 15.4Ω.
Just by looking at the Y-offset knobs on your scope.  Royer oscillators often have unsymmetrical outputs because the center-tap is not in the middle of the primary and the transistor gains are unmatched.
You know your scope better, so if you're sure the output is pure AC then disregard my words about the DC offset of your waveform.

Dear Verpies,

Sorry it's me again!! Having read your  earlier message, am I right in saying that the higher the frequency the harder it is to penetrate the skin? Also you missed my question whether the DC input current would be a reasonable marker for output power?

Moving on please see attached. It is a 1/4 BSP air muffler made of sintered Phosphor Bronze. Now we have 3 elements....... Copper, Tin and Phosphorus. I wonder what the frequency would be for that little mix? But I thought as they are really small particles of material pressed together maybe we could see a result?

On a lighter note for you and all..........  If the answer is 400 mA........ What is the question? ........... Why isn't this Bloody thing working?  ;D

Cheers Grum.

BTW. My Royer oscillator does not have a center tapped coil. Just single coil.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17020 on: April 17, 2013, 07:38:13 PM »
Sure it is a mere coincidence that Kapanadze's overunity motor works with a brass and a steel disc connected together and that such a construction with two dissimilar metals is also used to get the Seebeck effect.
Seebeck Effect requires a close contact between two dissimilar metals and a large temperature difference between them.
Kapanadze Motor does not satisfy either of these conditions. Those 3 videos clearly show people touching those disks with naked hands, without getting burned.
Also, the Seebeck effect is a very weak effect (proportional to the surface area of the metal junction) and is incapable of producing 1kW of power with those metal junction contact areas and concealable temperature gradients.
Finally, the 1st video shows two brass disks (no dissimilar metals)

And it is also a mere coincidence that there is a lot of insulation foam visible on and around the brass and steel discs, so as if differences in temperatures of these parts are an issue.
The foam is very odd and in the 3rd German video it is everywhere inside except the inside surfaces of the disks and on the shaft .
However, in the 1st and 2nd video of the mechanical Kapanadze Motor the foam insulation is absent. However, an annoying acoustical noise is noticeable, then.

The narrator says the foam is there to reduce the noise. But what noise? The noise of two smooth rotating discs needs that extensive damping? Really?
Yes, the disks should rotate smoothly if they are well balanced and they seem to be.  Also the pillow block bearings could make a noise. However, the noise in the first video does not resemble a bearing noise. It is a vibrating noise with high frequency components that is independent of the angular velocity of the shaft.  This is important because the frequency of any mechanical noise should be proportional to the angular speed (RPMs).  Alos note that those harsh vibrations are present only when the disks are spinning up, yet they are absent when the disks are spinning down.
I strongly suspect what those vibrations are but you'd not like my explanation. Anyway it is not Seebeck effect noise.

Essentially these two disc are a capacitor, both plates connected via a coil between, resulting in an oscillating circuit and at the same time it is a Seebeck/Peltier element.
I hate to rain on your parade, but the only Seebeck junctions in such configuration would be the tiny points of contact where the coil wound on the shaft touches the disks (the area of wire crossection).  Also, as soon as two plates of a capacitor are connected with a conductor (the coil on the shaft), the capacitor stops being a capacitor.  Finally, the 50cm distance between the disk surfaces would make the eventual capacitance between those disks miniscule especially when the dielectric is predominantly air.

So no wonder something strange could happen when this configuration is excited by means of a high frequency magnetic field (via the toroidal coil).
If there are no belts in the pillow blocks, then the HF stimulation of the disks should be significant to the method of device operation.

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Re: NMR Experiments. Different approach
« Reply #17021 on: April 17, 2013, 07:45:35 PM »
Having read your  earlier message, am I right in saying that the higher the frequency the harder it is to penetrate the skin?
Yes. 
Please save my equation for the depth of the RF penetration.

Also you missed my question whether the DC input current would be a reasonable marker for output power?
I missed it on purpose.
It is a difficult question with many unknowns because the Royer oscillator will periodically try to feed the energy back into the power supply and have internal losses.
However if you ensure with big capacitors and your scope that the input power supply conducts only constant current and constant voltage then my answer would be "constant current with an associated constant voltage it would be a good indicator of consumed power but not of radiated power".

Moving on please see attached. It is a 1/4 BSP air muffler made of sintered Phosphor Bronze. Now we have 3 elements....... Copper, Tin and Phosphorus.
I wonder what the frequency would be for that little mix? But I thought as they are really small particles of material pressed together maybe we could see a result?

That air muffler looks interesting.  Can you detect its resistance with an ohm meter  ...or is it melted together so well that it conducts as well as copper at that scale?

In any case each of the 3 elements will resonate at 3 different frequencies in the same magnetic field. 
Is that good?  Is more frequencies better than one and easier to hit? ...I don't know.

On a lighter note for you and all..........  If the answer is 400 mA........ What is the question?
I forgot what the 400mA was about. Anyway, current without voltage does not tell us anything about power and if it is not DC then you cannot multiply amps and volts to get power.

Why isn't this Bloody thing working?
What isn't working?  The oscillator, radiated power in the coil, or sth else?


BTW. My Royer oscillator does not have a center tapped coil. Just single coil.
I was visualizing a circuit like on the attached schematic
« Last Edit: April 18, 2013, 02:05:27 AM by verpies »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17022 on: April 17, 2013, 07:51:11 PM »
So where is the Schlaraffenland device? After over 1001 pages of arabian nights storytelling, I expect some serious shit and replications, otherwise I must assume the Kapanadze device is utter bullshit.

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Re: NMR Experiments. Different approach
« Reply #17023 on: April 17, 2013, 08:02:49 PM »
Yes. 
Please save my equation for the depth of the RF penetration.

That air muffler looks interesting.  Can you detect its resistance with an ohm meter  ...or is it melted together so well that it conducts as well as copper at that scale?

I will reply to the rest of your message later, because I am in a middle of another reply and I need to go out soon.

Dear Verpies.

Thankyou for your reply. I am getting a little excited myself because it's DC resistance measured with an LRC meter shows 1.268 Ohm's, not a short circuit as I would have expected!!

However we are still going to need to know at what frequency to hit it with. And secondly how to hit it with a magnetising force.

Cheers Grum.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #17024 on: April 17, 2013, 08:03:57 PM »
On the subject of trying unconventional 'out of the box' ideas, take a look at post 5975 where guest quartktoo insists that uninsulated copper tube is used inside TK's and others coils and that this tube is not slotted as convention would dictate.
That does not surprise me because tubes and disks (as in the mechanical Kapanadze Motors) are generally the same geometrical solids. The only differences between them are their proportions.
A similar HF stimulation that worked on those disks should also work on the tubes.

The lack of a slot makes sense only if the tube/disk constitutes the primary winding of a transformer, where current is developed inside the tube/disk by the action of the RF stimulation.  If the tube/disk was playing the role of a secondary winding then indeed it would represent a dead short.